I did some investigating on this unit and found some info regarding the MPH Bee III unit. "Mph doesn't recommend using the POP Mode exclusively because it excludes getting a proper "tracking history" taken in this mode" So if I get pulled over by an officer who used POP mode to tag me, can the crown/officer cannot use the radar evidence against me? His disclosure notes do not say anything about whether he used POP mode or not. Does the officer have to provide evidence of a proper tracking history? I'm still trying to get the manual from the crown to confirm this. Any input?

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The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode

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Improper disclosure, dismiss the charge.............They have to allow you access to the manual........ http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight. ... 56313.html http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight. ... i1829.html Just to find 2..
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Agreed. Hound them for that manual unit they show it to you, or ask for a stay. -PbFoot

Agreed. Hound them for that manual unit they show it to you, or ask for a stay.

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Thanks! That was what I was thinking.. I have a right to atleast see these documents, even if it's at the courthouse. However when my court date comes, I'll make my argument that the crown has not notified me or given any notice regarding these documents which I requested in my disclosure letter (inadequate disclosure). Shall I print out copies of these (2) case law examples and refer the JP to them?

Thanks! That was what I was thinking.. I have a right to atleast see these documents, even if it's at the courthouse.

However when my court date comes, I'll make my argument that the crown has not notified me or given any notice regarding these documents which I requested in my disclosure letter (inadequate disclosure). Shall I print out copies of these (2) case law examples and refer the JP to them?

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If the JP has any clue, then they will know that your request is within reason, so print them out anyway, maybe 3 copies.....

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Thanks! That was what I was thinking.. I have a right to atleast see these documents, even if it's at the courthouse.

However when my court date comes, I'll make my argument that the crown has not notified me or given any notice regarding these documents which I requested in my disclosure letter (inadequate disclosure). Shall I print out copies of these (2) case law examples and refer the JP to them?

If the JP has any clue, then they will know that your request is within reason, so print them out anyway, maybe 3 copies.....

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Not to resurrect a thread, but my case was adjourned once already, now if I bring this issue up regarding the Crown not providing me with 1) a manual of the radar 2) proper eligible notes that make sense.. the officer seemed to use some sort of short form notes for everything he wrote down.. 3) calibration records for the radar to confirm it was certified for use at the time the charge was given. I also have in my defense that from the time my first disclosure package was ready, I did not receive any notification to pick it up, and that it was during the labour strike in Toronto which meant it was impossible to contact anyone at the provincial offenses office, and also to obtain disclosure would've meant I needed to take a whole day off work just to line up to get in.. not guaranteeing that I would even see a prosecutor. Opinions on this? thanks

Not to resurrect a thread, but my case was adjourned once already, now if I bring this issue up regarding the Crown not providing me with

1) a manual of the radar

2) proper eligible notes that make sense.. the officer seemed to use some sort of short form notes for everything he wrote down..

3) calibration records for the radar to confirm it was certified for use at the time the charge was given.

I also have in my defense that from the time my first disclosure package was ready, I did not receive any notification to pick it up, and that it was during the labour strike in Toronto which meant it was impossible to contact anyone at the provincial offenses office, and also to obtain disclosure would've meant I needed to take a whole day off work just to line up to get in.. not guaranteeing that I would even see a prosecutor.

Opinions on this? thanks

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Don't worry about the labour strike. If they still have not provided you with the manual after an adjournment and 3 requests, that tells me that the prosecutor is, ahem, incompetent. You have tried 3 times, and he still did not do it. Apply for a stay based on Section 7 of the Charter. This is your thread about the same case, and if you were to make a new thread about it, mods would have moved it to this one, so you made us less work!

Don't worry about the labour strike.

If they still have not provided you with the manual after an adjournment and 3 requests, that tells me that the prosecutor is, ahem, incompetent. You have tried 3 times, and he still did not do it. Apply for a stay based on Section 7 of the Charter.

This is your thread about the same case, and if you were to make a new thread about it, mods would have moved it to this one, so you made us less work!

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