Question about Red Light Camera on Highway 7 and Bathurst !

Around 3 months ago my friend told me that he thinks he ran Red Light on highway 7. ok his car was 1-2 meters away the Stop Line when the Light turned RED he then couldn't stop so he ran because Speed Limit on HWY7 is 80km/h and you all know none of drivers do under 80km/h they always at 83-85km/h, i thought so too that he will get a red light camera ticket but it has been 3 months now no mail nothing !

Now it's my turn, me and my friend work at the same place, Yesterday the sun was so shines on highway7 and Bathurst the intersection after the bridge i was traveling east bound, i think i ran red light too, i was changing to middle lane so i can see the countdown clock easier, after i changed lane i looked up the light i saw RED ? BUT NO AMBER OR YELLOW LIGHT ??? highway 7 intersection red light is weird, this happens so many times, i did not think i ran red light camera until i check my VIDEO DASH CAM. according to my Camera my car was 3-5 meters away from the STOP LINE when it already turned red. My friend was like 1 meter away or half meter.

My question is, why don't they have AMBER and WARNING LIGHT ? it's 80km/h NO CAR COULD STOP with that speed and distance, if we slam the brake it causes more accident ? honestly who the hell setup those Camera on highway 7 ? so dumb man. At least give us the time line with Amber light warning, i am an experience long time driver but highway7 intersection light is kinda confuse, in USA they give you the countdown + big sign, on highway 7 80km/h but no warning light you can't see clearly with the countdown clock but they are not accordance to the light, sometimes the countdown over but the green light still stay, no amber and SUDDENLY it turns read ???? and they setup camera ???. YOu government want our money, you apparently don't give a damn about OUR SAFETY, all you do is talk talk talk.

We already stress at work and now we stress on the road too, no wondering there are many roadrage incidents, how much tax have we paid per year ? give us a break with the red light camera please, before fine was 180$ now 350$ in USA only 100$ , this is not a DUI or distract driving or we doing it on purpose, you guys setup Camera light that is kinda STRESS OUT MORE DRIVERS more rear end more accident.

Just expressing out my feeling incase that red light camera owner reads ! i think they forgave my friend cause he was like meter away after it turned red, i think i get this ticket because i was like 3-4 meters, is there demerit point or insurance involvement ? damn if i ran it on purpose i wouldnt say a word, but i definitely could not stop with 3-4 meters distance on that 80km/h, i wish i have Bugati Veyon or a Brembo Brake.

So does your video show the light changing directly from a green light to red light with no amber light?

For red light camera tickets, it is the OWNER of the vehicle that is charged not the driver, so there are no demerits and no insurance increase.

jsherk wrote:

So does your video show the light changing directly from a green light to red light with no amber light?

For red light camera tickets, it is the OWNER of the vehicle that is charged not the driver, so there are no demerits and no insurance increase.

Yep it turned directly from Green to Red without Amber warning, this happens many times on Highway 7 that's why i double check with my DASHCAM to be exact i was 3 meters when it already turned Red without Yellow Amber,

i hope they reduce speed limit all on highway 7 to 60km/h it's easy braking than 80km/h as well as reset the countdown clock and Light function.

Highway 7 from Vaughn to Richmond hill is my route everyday from home to work, i have seen many Rear End incident due to the Red light Camera, i've seen T-bone incidents too but based on my knowledge T-bone mostly happens to Drivers doing an improper Left Turn or did not stop Red light on Right Turn.

I'm just stressed out, i want to be a perfect clean record drivers, i have never had any conviction for over 10 years. Only parking ticket !

Thanks for your time and quick answer Mr. jsherk

If there was no amber light, then clearly you had no warning that it was going to change to red and could not slow down. This is also very dangerous as this is not how lights are supposed to operate.

I would fight the ticket and take the video with you to court. Make sure you put the video on an external USB stick and bring a laptop that it will play on. If you just bring your dashcam they may want to keep it for evidence. If you bring a laptop with the video on the laptop, they may want to keep the laptop as evidence. If you put the video on an external USB stick ($6 at Staples) then they can keep the USB stick and you can take your laptop and dashcam back home with you.

I would also immediately send copies of this video to the local municipality... copy it to the mayor, councillors and whoever runs the public works departments. Maybe even the chief of police in that area. This is clearly a mistake and very dangerous and should be fixed.

It's hard to interpret your argument because you're all over the place. I can't tell if you're using the actual traffic light or you're basing whether to stop or not on the pedestrian crossing countdown clock.

Has anyone else ever seen a traffic light, in Ontario, go directly to red, from green, without and amber light in between? I have been driving for a long time now, and have traveled throughout this very large province and I have never seen that...I haven't even heard of that happening in Ontario...a malfunctioning light perhaps?

I've never seen a light go straight red. In fact, the red light ticket should have an Amber code at the top of the photos indicating how long since the amber indication was given.

But if there's video of it, it would be nice to see it. Even the ticket for that matter.

Highway 7 is maintained by York Region. If the amber light at that intersection isn't working pleas report it to the Road Maintenance Department.

Phone: 905-830-4444 Ext. 75200

Toll Free: 1-877-464-9675 Ext. 75200

E-mail: TRN_Roads_Operations_Dispatch@york.ca

I've seen a light go from green to red, but it was because the bulb was blown out for yellow on both (other side had a yellow.)

daggx wrote:

Highway 7 is maintained by York Region. If the amber light at that intersection isn't working pleas report it to the Road Maintenance Department.

Phone: 905-830-4444 Ext. 75200

Toll Free: 1-877-464-9675 Ext. 75200

E-mail: TRN_Roads_Operations_Dispatch@york.ca

i Will upload video on Youtube, my dash cam is crappy though, if you take Highway 7 rout from Dufferin langstaff to 404 Richmond Hill everyday, you'll see what i'm talking about, i said sometimes it does that on this route. ill get the better video quality later and ill post it next time.

Thanks for the contact info, ill contact them by mail with video link

jsherk wrote:

If there was no amber light, then clearly you had no warning that it was going to change to red and could not slow down. This is also very dangerous as this is not how lights are supposed to operate.

I would fight the ticket and take the video with you to court. Make sure you put the video on an external USB stick and bring a laptop that it will play on. If you just bring your dashcam they may want to keep it for evidence. If you bring a laptop with the video on the laptop, they may want to keep the laptop as evidence. If you put the video on an external USB stick ($6 at Staples) then they can keep the USB stick and you can take your laptop and dashcam back home with you.

I would also immediately send copies of this video to the local municipality... copy it to the mayor, councillors and whoever runs the public works departments. Maybe even the chief of police in that area. This is clearly a mistake and very dangerous and should be fixed.

i transferred it to my Laptop right away, thanks for the tip sir.

bend wrote:

I've never seen a light go straight red. In fact, the red light ticket should have an Amber code at the top of the photos indicating how long since the amber indication was given.

But if there's video of it, it would be nice to see it. Even the ticket for that matter.

here you go video don't lie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFSbR3Pa8v4 at 0:40

UnluckyDuck wrote:

I've seen a light go from green to red, but it was because the bulb was blown out for yellow on both (other side had a yellow.)

Blown bulb won't show any light at 3-5 seconds at the time, Red light turns from RED to Yellow or Green in 1 second, the Yellow Light which is Amber Warning give you 3-5 seconds warning before it goes RED, i'm not working at Traff Control Center but if you ask one of them they will say the same as me. Video tells no lies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFSbR3Pa8v4 at 0:40

RandySolara wrote:

here you go video don't lie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFSbR3Pa8v4 at 0:40

It's hard to see much of anything from this video. There's this gif i've attached. Here's also a still:

If you've got a better video and/or the ticket, i'm sure people would like to see it. I don't think this video proves or disproves much of anything in this state.

bend wrote:

RandySolara wrote:

here you go video don't lie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFSbR3Pa8v4 at 0:40

It's hard to see much of anything from this video. There's this gif i've attached. Here's also a still:

If you've got a better video and/or the ticket, i'm sure people would like to see it. I don't think this video proves or disproves much of anything in this state.

I'm getting a new dashcam, i got this from Stable for 50$ 4 years ago, ya the video is so cheap, to be honest i don't mind getting a ticket the reason i speak up because of the Road-Safety not for myself but for everyone on the road, believe me i hate Speeding, red light runner and tailgater. i'm not defending myself ill stand with justice however if the Intersection light was malfunction, there will be more accident and family will lost their loved one, i have an old mom a Wife and a Son to take care of so does others. I don't really know why i always pay attention to the Red Light Intersection, as you can see in the video i did not speed !

Ya it has been 2 weeks now i'm waiting for the ticket ill post it up here whenever it arrives. if the picture in the ticket really show that there was Yellow Amber warning then it was my fault not paying enough attention. Ill be happy to volunteer the payment and pay more attention next time weather there camera or not, thank you for your pic sir.

bend wrote:

RandySolara wrote:

here you go video don't lie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFSbR3Pa8v4 at 0:40

It's hard to see much of anything from this video. There's this gif i've attached. Here's also a still:

If you've got a better video and/or the ticket, i'm sure people would like to see it. I don't think this video proves or disproves much of anything in this state.

Ok, new update with the video, i invited 3 friends over and watched this video, they all said it jumped from Green to Red, one of them explained, even though we cannot see the video clear but there are 3 "Circle Bulbs if the light did turn yellow before it went red THEN WE MUST SEE THE MIDDLE CIRCLE LIGHTS UP but it did not" so obviously it was malfunction. If it turned Yellow there no way you missed it, said a friend.

You're probably not going to want to "hear" this, but in your stills, I see illuminated amber lights.

In my opinion the lights were indeed amber. It's more noticeable on the left turn traffic signal, but your video is the equivalent of a bigfoot sighting.

Another tip off is the vehicle beside you looks to decelerate at approximately 3-4 seconds before the light turns red, which just happens to be the length most amber lights at set at.

If I had to guess, it looks like you had tunnel vision on your lane change and missed the light completely.

Either way, all this ranting about cost and government (where most of your facts were wrong anyways) and there's no ticket.

This thread can only go so far at this point.

bend wrote:

In my opinion the lights were indeed amber. It's more noticeable on the left turn traffic signal, but your video is the equivalent of a bigfoot sighting.

Another tip off is the vehicle beside you looks to decelerate at approximately 3-4 seconds before the light turns red, which just happens to be the length most amber lights at set at.

If I had to guess, it looks like you had tunnel vision on your lane change and missed the light completely.

Either way, all this ranting about cost and government (where most of your facts were wrong anyways) and there's no ticket.

This thread can only go so far at this point.

Thanks, i agreed with you, i should get a better dashcam, the Red Light Camera operator did contact me, Yep they did send out the ticket, they invited an Engineer to check and you know what i can't say nothing because my video is not that clear to prove it. This is just a lesson anyways, thanks for all your time spending in my topic.

This is one of the best traffic forum that you can tell your sad story and question asks. U guys are the best.

Just received the ticket, they said my car entered the intersection 1.5 second after it turned red, i was gonna post up here but no point, not going to fight it because i'm not gonna win.

Anyone knows where to pay the ticket ? it's 325$ , can i pay it at parking offend office ? their office is in Newmarket damn far, i live in Downtown Toronto.

Damn it's 325$ dollars = 3 carton of my Cigarettes and 4 cases of Beers ! no party for me for 1 week !

Above the pictures, it should say amber and have a number. What does it say?

You can probably pay it at their Richmond Hill office at 50 High Tech Road. Although if you are pleading guilty it would probably be simpler to just mail a cheque to the address on the back of the ticket.

It's probably within the jurisdiction of the Richmond Hill Court in the Yonge and Highway 7 area. You may want to consider fighting it anyway; from my limited experience with red light camera offences, the prosecutor will often offer a reduced fine for a guilty plea. Then again, that may have ended with last year's ruling about set fines.

Either way, you may also be able to pay over the phone or online by credit card. May as well earn some reward points while you're at it.

they don't have phone number on the ticket or paper

bend wrote:

Above the pictures, it should say amber and have a number. What does it say?

it said i entered the red light after 1.5s , doesn't say amber in there, but ill double check, i put the ticket in my car

bend wrote:

Above the pictures, it should say amber and have a number. What does it say?

checked the paper, it said Amber 5.1 s Red 1.2 s , so it was the Sun to blame + i missed it when i was changing lane, they should reduce speed to 60km/h in that area. i've been driven for 15 years this is my 1st time running red light.

May i ask, if i don't have to to pay, the ticket will go into Sticker Renewal ? any penalty etc ?

Anyone knows their phone number or address please ? its York Region!

If you do not pay then I believe you will not be able to renew your sticker.

The not-so-bad news about red light camera tickets is that it is against the owner of the vehicle and not the driver, so it can not be used against you to raise insurance.

There are two provincial offences offices in York Region. I'm not sure which one applies in your case so I posted the numbers for both. I would double check the fine print on the ticket though, usually they have their contact info on there somewhere. If there is nothing on the ticket, try calling both offices and see which one is the right one.

Newmarket Court (Tannery Mall):

Telephone: 905-898-0425

Toll free: 1-877-331-3309

Richmond Hill Court (South Services Centre):

Telephone: 905-762-2105

Toll free 1-866-758-0750

Link: http://www.york.ca/wps/portal/yorkhome/ ... -R4XPArK70

daggx wrote:

There are two provincial offences offices in York Region. I'm not sure which one applies in your case so I posted the numbers for both. I would double check the fine print on the ticket though, usually they have their contact info on there somewhere. If there is nothing on the ticket, try calling both offices and see which one is the right one.

Newmarket Court (Tannery Mall):

Telephone: 905-898-0425

Toll free: 1-877-331-3309

Richmond Hill Court (South Services Centre):

Telephone: 905-762-2105

Toll free 1-866-758-0750

Link: http://www.york.ca/wps/portal/yorkhome/ ... -R4XPArK70

Wow thanks so much this is what i'm looking for, 300$ is nothing to me, the reason i asked because i don't want my WIFE to know, if she know i Ran red light she will bite me until my head explodes, Happy Wife happy Life ! i wanna go straight their and pay them, if i pay by Visa/Master the record will be on the bills, wow i don't .....her to know alright guys thanks alot, you guys are all the best ! happy Fall !

jsherk wrote:

If you do not pay then I believe you will not be able to renew your sticker.

The not-so-bad news about red light camera tickets is that it is against the owner of the vehicle and not the driver, so it can not be used against you to raise insurance.

Thank you sir !