In September I received a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign. Looked through similar cases on this forum and at ticketcombat but couldn`t find cure for my case… except for the following. The officers (there were two of them) in the police cruiser could not see my car all time from the moment I (allegedly) failed to stop till I was pulled over two intersections later. They definitely lost me out of sight for awhile, and since I drive a 2006 grey Corolla (god knows how many Corollas on roads these days!), I want to cast a reasonable doubt that they stopped the right car as I definitely obeyed the sign. What are my chances? Thank you. I attach a picture that may be of help.
In September I received a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign. Looked through similar cases on this forum and at ticketcombat but couldn`t find cure for my case… except for the following. The officers (there were two of them) in the police cruiser could not see my car all time from the moment I (allegedly) failed to stop till I was pulled over two intersections later. They definitely lost me out of sight for awhile, and since I drive a 2006 grey Corolla (god knows how many Corollas on roads these days!), I want to cast a reasonable doubt that they stopped the right car as I definitely obeyed the sign. What are my chances? Thank you. I attach a picture that may be of help.
Once you get your trial date, file for disclosure of the evidence against you. In this case, you want the officer's notes. You want to see if the officer lost sight of your vehicle. If the officer did, you might be able to make a case that they stopped the wrong vehicle. However, if the officer's notes look pretty solid, you might want to think about plea-bargaining to a lesser offence... that is, if the officer shows up for trial.
Once you get your trial date, file for disclosure of the evidence against you. In this case, you want the officer's notes. You want to see if the officer lost sight of your vehicle. If the officer did, you might be able to make a case that they stopped the wrong vehicle. However, if the officer's notes look pretty solid, you might want to think about plea-bargaining to a lesser offence... that is, if the officer shows up for trial.
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Radar Identified, thanks for your reply. The disclosure request is on my agenda. However, I do not expect to find in oficer's note smth like "Lost sight of gr. Corolla for 15 sec. Pulled over corolla lic. plate XXX". Sounds ridiculous to me. I'll wait till I get disclosure. Thanks again
Radar Identified, thanks for your reply. The disclosure request is on my agenda. However, I do not expect to find in oficer's note smth like "Lost sight of gr. Corolla for 15 sec. Pulled over corolla lic. plate XXX". Sounds ridiculous to me. I'll wait till I get disclosure.
Of course the officer would not likely write "lost sight of vehicle." What you want to see is if "stopped without sight lost" is missing.
Of course the officer would not likely write "lost sight of vehicle." What you want to see is if "stopped without sight lost" is missing.
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Call Court Services and see how it's going. It isn't unusual in Toronto for them to take 8+ months just to schedule a trial... but I'd make the call anyway.
Call Court Services and see how it's going. It isn't unusual in Toronto for them to take 8+ months just to schedule a trial... but I'd make the call anyway.
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Requested disclosure a month ago... Came back from vacation the other day to find a message on my phone where I was asked to come to the office to pick up my disclosure. Guys, what do I do? Can I expect disclosure to be sent to me as I sent request? Again, it's work time when I can pick it up. Can I disregard the message? Thanks!
Requested disclosure a month ago...
Came back from vacation the other day to find a message on my phone where I was asked to come to the office to pick up my disclosure.
Guys, what do I do? Can I expect disclosure to be sent to me as I sent request? Again, it's work time when I can pick it up. Can I disregard the message?
Go pick up your disclosure. I wouldn't ignore the message. It won't help you. Take a look and see if they've provided you with proper disclosure and go from there.
Go pick up your disclosure. I wouldn't ignore the message. It won't help you.
Take a look and see if they've provided you with proper disclosure and go from there.
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Got my disclosure..... It reads the following: "3206 - I pass. 2006 Toyt 40 Corolla Sil {picture of the intersection} - slow to 20km.hr. n/b at stop line -FTS" My questions are: I pass - he passed smth. or one passenger? I was on my own... what is FTS? and: Do I atsnd a chance if I insiist it was another car? Thank you guys!
Got my disclosure.....
It reads the following:
"3206 - I pass.
2006 Toyt 40 Corolla Sil
{picture of the intersection}
- slow to 20km.hr.
n/b at stop line
-FTS"
My questions are:
I pass - he passed smth. or one passenger?
I was on my own...
what is FTS?
and: Do I atsnd a chance if I insiist it was another car?
"FTS" would most likely mean "Fail To Stop", seeing as that's the offence you're being charged with..... As for the rest, I dunno. I recently got disclosure for a ticket, and had to get an ex cop at the paralegal firm I'm using to decipher it for me.
"FTS" would most likely mean "Fail To Stop", seeing as that's the offence you're being charged with..... As for the rest, I dunno. I recently got disclosure for a ticket, and had to get an ex cop at the paralegal firm I'm using to decipher it for me.
If it's Toronto Police, I'd guess 3206 is the cruiser number. 32 is the Division number (looks like 32 division according to your map) and 06 is the cruiser/zone number. 1 pass is probably short for passenger, and is referring to the fact he has another officer in the cruiser with him. And FTS definitely is fail to stop.
If it's Toronto Police, I'd guess 3206 is the cruiser number. 32 is the Division number (looks like 32 division according to your map) and 06 is the cruiser/zone number.
1 pass is probably short for passenger, and is referring to the fact he has another officer in the cruiser with him.
3206 would be a TPS cruiser number. Interesting that he did not write down "stopped vehicle without sight lost" or words to that effect...
3206 would be a TPS cruiser number.
Interesting that he did not write down "stopped vehicle without sight lost" or words to that effect...
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Thank you all guys! 1 pass- yes, there was another officer in the cruiser. Radar: if he put "stopped vehicle without sight lost", this wouldn't be true. Trees and bushes grew right after the intersection, sight was lost 100%. We'll see in two weeks what is bound to happen.
Thank you all guys!
1 pass- yes, there was another officer in the cruiser.
Radar: if he put "stopped vehicle without sight lost", this wouldn't be true. Trees and bushes grew right after the intersection, sight was lost 100%. We'll see in two weeks what is bound to happen.
Guys, exit question before tomorrow court. The officer's note saying Toyota 2006. The year is correct, but the model is really 2003. So, the note is apparently made after I was stopped and documents are checked (with the after the fact knowledge). Can I argue with this evidence? As it is based on the past knowledge and proves only the fact of accuracy of my vehicle docs. If so, how my statement should look like? Thanks, CO
Guys, exit question before tomorrow court.
The officer's note saying Toyota 2006. The year is correct, but the model is really 2003. So, the note is apparently made after I was stopped and documents are checked (with the after the fact knowledge). Can I argue with this evidence? As it is based on the past knowledge and proves only the fact of accuracy of my vehicle docs.
What do you mean the model of your car is 2003? I don't follow.
Clockwork Orange wrote:
Guys, exit question before tomorrow court.
The officer's note saying Toyota 2006. The year is correct, but the model is really 2003. So, the note is apparently made after I was stopped and documents are checked (with the after the fact knowledge). Can I argue with this evidence? As it is based on the past knowledge and proves only the fact of accuracy of my vehicle docs.
If so, how my statement should look like?
Thanks,
CO
What do you mean the model of your car is 2003? I don't follow.
Ok, I think I understand what you're asking. You could certainly confirm with the officer that he obtained the model year for your vehicle from the ownership (which is standard practice). I wouldn't say it's a big help in your case though.
Ok, I think I understand what you're asking. You could certainly confirm with the officer that he obtained the model year for your vehicle from the ownership (which is standard practice). I wouldn't say it's a big help in your case though.
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