I got a speeding ticket @ North York, Toronto, 73 @ 50 speed limit, on Feb. 21, 2010. I was about to take 401W exit so I changed the lane, there were busy traffic and there were at least 2 cars changing lanes from right to left lane and left to right, as the last lane is for 401W exit. The officer was standing with Laser gun in hand, on curb in between left lane and 401 exit lane. As per the situation there is real good chance of getting wrong vehicle targeted. Anyway, I already got my Court date of Nov.30 and after getting the date, applied for disclosure and I got the letter to collect the disclosure, i went after couple of days and I got the Disclosure of 1 page with officer hand-written notes -- 231.2 m, 4d white corolla, e/b, L2, weather, 2C, clear, dry, roads clear, dry, excellent visibility, ultralyte. That's the disclosure of 1 page. Then I asked that I have requested for full disclosure with Radar calibration details and radar manual, too. So, the lady find-out one photocopy (bunch of photocopy already stored in drawer) of Ultralyte -Operating Instructions. She couldn't provide me calibration details and replied "you can ask for further disclosure". So, write away I filed further disclosure. Now, I am not sure that I gonna get it before 30th Nov. So, pls suggest me what should I do? Should I ask for another court date? (I have done all the procedure in time, nothing is delayed by me.) I don't want to appear this ticket on my abstract. That's most important thing for my insurance.
I got a speeding ticket @ North York, Toronto, 73 @ 50 speed limit, on Feb. 21, 2010.
I was about to take 401W exit so I changed the lane, there were busy traffic and there were at least 2 cars changing lanes from right to left lane and left to right, as the last lane is for 401W exit. The officer was standing with Laser gun in hand, on curb in between left lane and 401 exit lane.
As per the situation there is real good chance of getting wrong vehicle targeted.
Anyway, I already got my Court date of Nov.30 and after getting the date, applied for disclosure and I got the letter to collect the disclosure, i went after couple of days and I got the Disclosure of 1 page with officer hand-written notes -- 231.2 m, 4d white corolla, e/b, L2, weather, 2C, clear, dry, roads clear, dry, excellent visibility, ultralyte. That's the disclosure of 1 page. Then I asked that I have requested for full disclosure with Radar calibration details and radar manual, too. So, the lady find-out one photocopy (bunch of photocopy already stored in drawer) of Ultralyte -Operating Instructions. She couldn't provide me calibration details and replied "you can ask for further disclosure". So, write away I filed further disclosure.
Now, I am not sure that I gonna get it before 30th Nov.
So, pls suggest me what should I do?
Should I ask for another court date? (I have done all the procedure in time, nothing is delayed by me.)
I don't want to appear this ticket on my abstract. That's most important thing for my insurance.
You can ask for an adjournment to get the rest of the details, however calibration records/proof of calibration is not required. The officer's notes and the critical parts of the manual would generally satisfy disclosure for a speeding ticket. The only thing the officer has to do is test and use the device in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions, complete a tracking history, stop the vehicle without losing sight, and identify the driver. Calibration, etc., is not necessary in Ontario. The testing of the device is considered sufficient by the courts to indicate it is reliable. If you absolutely do not want the conviction, you'll have to hope the officer does not show up, or you'll have to be prepared to go to trial. You could plea-bargain to a lesser speed, but that still gives you the conviction. There is a possibility that your insurance may not increase for a 15-over ticket, depending on your provider. If it does go to trial, either the officer will have to have a faulty memory, show improper use/testing of the device, or some other technicality will have to occur for you to be acquitted.
You can ask for an adjournment to get the rest of the details, however calibration records/proof of calibration is not required. The officer's notes and the critical parts of the manual would generally satisfy disclosure for a speeding ticket. The only thing the officer has to do is test and use the device in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions, complete a tracking history, stop the vehicle without losing sight, and identify the driver. Calibration, etc., is not necessary in Ontario. The testing of the device is considered sufficient by the courts to indicate it is reliable.
If you absolutely do not want the conviction, you'll have to hope the officer does not show up, or you'll have to be prepared to go to trial. You could plea-bargain to a lesser speed, but that still gives you the conviction. There is a possibility that your insurance may not increase for a 15-over ticket, depending on your provider. If it does go to trial, either the officer will have to have a faulty memory, show improper use/testing of the device, or some other technicality will have to occur for you to be acquitted.
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
http://www.OntarioTicket.com OR http://www.OHTA.ca
Thanks for the comments. Should I ask for another court date before my trial date? For that I have to go in person or I can send request by fax? thanks a lot.
Thanks for the comments.
Should I ask for another court date before my trial date?
For that I have to go in person or I can send request by fax?
Hi all, Its really informative and helpful site. I have speeding ticket 73 @ 50. I did all the procedure on time also I got the disclosure but its not complete, just a 4 sentences on piece of paper(officer note). I requested disclosure as per ticketcombat.com sample disclosure. So, I ask for further disclosure, too. But I don't think so they gonna provide me before court date. Should I ask for another court date? If I ask and it doesn't work, then they gonna offer lesser charges? This is my first court related matter so I don't know what to do and what not. thanks.
Hi all,
Its really informative and helpful site.
I have speeding ticket 73 @ 50.
I did all the procedure on time also I got the disclosure but its not complete, just a 4 sentences on piece of paper(officer note). I requested disclosure as per ticketcombat.com sample disclosure.
So, I ask for further disclosure, too. But I don't think so they gonna provide me before court date.
Should I ask for another court date?
If I ask and it doesn't work, then they gonna offer lesser charges?
This is my first court related matter so I don't know what to do and what not.
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
http://www.OntarioTicket.com OR http://www.OHTA.ca
yes I ask for radar manual. I got the officer note(few points) as I mentioned earlier and he mentioned "ultralyte" only. I know its a laser device but when I check their web site the company is producing 4 types of device so my question is that he should provide me the exact model # too. Should I force this point forward?
yes I ask for radar manual.
I got the officer note(few points) as I mentioned earlier and he mentioned "ultralyte" only. I know its a laser device but when I check their web site the company is producing 4 types of device so my question is that he should provide me the exact model # too. Should I force this point forward?
If they have not given you access to any sort of manual, then yes you should push it. You have every right to access the relevant parts of the manual, if they plan on using any information from it during the trial. Get an adjournment, make sure that it is clear that the delay is the Crown's fault.
If they have not given you access to any sort of manual, then yes you should push it. You have every right to access the relevant parts of the manual, if they plan on using any information from it during the trial. Get an adjournment, make sure that it is clear that the delay is the Crown's fault.
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
http://www.OntarioTicket.com OR http://www.OHTA.ca
thanks for the comments. It doesn't says anything about the test. I have just piece of paper of pocket diary, on which officer has written five or six points (not full sentence), That's it. If I ask for adjournment due to the incomplete disclosure and If they reject it and may say that officer has all the details/papers with him so proceed further, then what should I do? Should I still ask for the another date and complete disclosure? Anyhow i just want to get rid of this ticket or delay it up to my next insurance renewal so pls suggest me the best possible way of it. Thanks a lot.
thanks for the comments.
It doesn't says anything about the test.
I have just piece of paper of pocket diary, on which officer has written five or six points (not full sentence), That's it.
If I ask for adjournment due to the incomplete disclosure and If they reject it and may say that officer has all the details/papers with him so proceed further, then what should I do? Should I still ask for the another date and complete disclosure?
Anyhow i just want to get rid of this ticket or delay it up to my next insurance renewal so pls suggest me the best possible way of it.
Went to the court today and I was write on time enter the court and within 5 min my name was called and crown said that "officer doesn't have enough evidence so your case is withdrawn...........". So, I just walk away. Thanks a lot for everybody who respond to my request as well as everybody who contribute to this site. Also, thanks to ticketcombat.com, I learned a lot from them too. I am just wondering, does this ticket gonna appear on my record? Insurance company has access to it? thanks.
Went to the court today and I was write on time enter the court and within 5 min my name was called and crown said that "officer doesn't have enough evidence so your case is withdrawn...........". So, I just walk away.
Thanks a lot for everybody who respond to my request as well as everybody who contribute to this site. Also, thanks to ticketcombat.com, I learned a lot from them too.
I am just wondering, does this ticket gonna appear on my record? Insurance company has access to it?
No, and no. Convictions and suspensions are the only thing that go on your record. That's also all that your insurance company will have access to. Congratulations! :D
Ultralyte wrote:
I am just wondering, does this ticket gonna appear on my record? Insurance company has access to it?
No, and no. Convictions and suspensions are the only thing that go on your record. That's also all that your insurance company will have access to.
Congratulations!
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
http://www.OntarioTicket.com OR http://www.OHTA.ca
i lost my license in an accident i had to due my exceeding amount of demerit points. i went to jail and made bail i was put on a curfew of 9am to 9pm stupidly enough i did not follow and i got pulled over for driving with a different cars license plates, no insurance, and violating my curfew... i…
I was charged for disobey sign (no left turn) in a winter noon time around Bay/Edward (the prosecutor/judge said it to be a Absolute liability offences but disobey sign is actually a strict liability offence, right? And I found this: For example, if you made an illegal left-turn where there were…
so got fined with 69km in a 50km, at bottom of hill...didn't even have foot on the gas. first ticket ever in over 10 years of driving. fine was 62$ and 3 points.
cop says take to court and get demerit points reduced. didn't even let me speak and walks away.
On my way to work today I got a 110 dollar ticket + 2 demerit points.
I was driving north on Bathurst and turned left onto a side street into a residential area before hitting the lights at Eglinton and Bathurst. I normally do this to avoid the big line up to turn left onto Eglinton.
On the 400 extension EB towards Barrie cops like to hide out under an over pass that is Ski Trails Rd. They tag people as the come over the crest of the hill and that is 900m from where this officer was standing.
I'm confused because I knew this, saw the cop, and checked my…
I was making a left hand legal turn on a green light, a driver came through the lane I was supposed to be going into ran the red and hit me head on as I was turning into my lane. When the officer came he was telling me that I was racing and driving recklessly because apparently there was reports of…
Today i got caught doing 115 in a 90 at Mayfield and 410 and what I have been reading is that this offence is 3 points. Seeing this is my first offence I'm unsure if the ticket is supposed to I lost 3 points or is that just automatic. Also should I go to fight it to drop the points and just pay the…
I was (recently) involved in a traffic accident where, due to icy road conditions, I slid into oncoming traffic while making a right turn, while they were coming towards me and stopping at a stop sign. This was a residential area and there's no way I was exceeding anything over 20KM/h on…