I was cycling on a street with no bicycle lane, and a fairly wide right lane, wide enough to be shared by cyclists and cars. I was in the rightmost position in the lane, about a couple of feet from the curb. The cars were moving slowly because a street car was making a right turn at a traffic light about 100 meters ahead, and then they stopped altogether when the light turned red. I continued cycling, as there was a clear straight pass for me all the way to the traffic light. There was a taxi in the line-up of the cars waiting at the light. Suddenly a woman that was riding the cab decided to exit, and opened the rear right door, right in front of me. The cab driver did not signal a stop, nor did he move closer to the curb to let the passenger out. There were good five feet between the curb and the cab. I rode into the opened door. I got a bit bumped up here and there, but was, generally speaking, lucky as far as injuries go. But the bike got quite damaged. I called the police, and the officer ruled that I was at fault for the collision because I was passing the cab on the right (the ticket I god was for 'pass on right not in safety'). I have several questions about the whole affair: 1. Was the officer correct in assessing the collision? I find this absurd: if bikes are allowed to share a lane with other cars, then a biker should also be allowed to pass a car on the right, provided this can be done safely. 2. Does the HTA specify acceptable distance from the curb for a car to stop and unload passengers? 3. I read some evidence on the Internet that, as far as fault determination goes for the Insurance companies in Ontario, cyclists are never considered at fault, even if charged with a traffic violation. Where can I find a definitive verification for this? 4. I have a car insurance; do I *have* to go through my own insurance if I wanted to make a claim for the bike repair, or can I go straight to the cab driver's insurance to claim it? 5. I know that there are no demerit points on traffic violations made by cyclists, but will the traffic violation actually go into my driver's record? I.e. will it be visible to insurance companies? Many thanks in advance for any input!
I was cycling on a street with no bicycle lane, and a fairly wide right lane, wide enough to be shared by cyclists and cars. I was in the rightmost position in the lane, about a couple of feet from the curb. The cars were moving slowly because a street car was making a right turn at a traffic light about 100 meters ahead, and then they stopped altogether when the light turned red. I continued cycling, as there was a clear straight pass for me all the way to the traffic light.
There was a taxi in the line-up of the cars waiting at the light. Suddenly a woman that was riding the cab decided to exit, and opened the rear right door, right in front of me. The cab driver did not signal a stop, nor did he move closer to the curb to let the passenger out. There were good five feet between the curb and the cab.
I rode into the opened door. I got a bit bumped up here and there, but was, generally speaking, lucky as far as injuries go. But the bike got quite damaged. I called the police, and the officer ruled that I was at fault for the collision because I was passing the cab on the right (the ticket I god was for 'pass on right not in safety').
I have several questions about the whole affair:
1. Was the officer correct in assessing the collision? I find this absurd: if bikes are allowed to share a lane with other cars, then a biker should also be allowed to pass a car on the right, provided this can be done safely.
2. Does the HTA specify acceptable distance from the curb for a car to stop and unload passengers?
3. I read some evidence on the Internet that, as far as fault determination goes for the Insurance companies in Ontario, cyclists are never considered at fault, even if charged with a traffic violation. Where can I find a definitive verification for this?
4. I have a car insurance; do I *have* to go through my own insurance if I wanted to make a claim for the bike repair, or can I go straight to the cab driver's insurance to claim it?
5. I know that there are no demerit points on traffic violations made by cyclists, but will the traffic violation actually go into my driver's record? I.e. will it be visible to insurance companies?
In my opinion, yes he was. Lane-splitting or lane-filtering (driving/cycling between stopped vehicles, or stopped vehicles and the curb) is illegal, even though it's common practice. Nope. That's sort-of true, but mostly because cyclists are not licenced and do not have to carry insurance, so there really aren't provisions in there for cyclists in the Fault Determination Rules (for insurance only). http://www.ibc.ca/en/car_insurance/docu ... -rules.pdf Also the Fault Determination Rules are for insurance payouts. It doesn't affect your HTA charge. Actually your bike, I believe, should be covered under your property insurance and not auto insurance. I could be wrong though. Other posters might know, or you could talk to your insurance company about it. Don't know.
agenkin wrote:
1. Was the officer correct in assessing the collision? I find this absurd: if bikes are allowed to share a lane with other cars, then a biker should also be allowed to pass a car on the right, provided this can be done safely.
In my opinion, yes he was. Lane-splitting or lane-filtering (driving/cycling between stopped vehicles, or stopped vehicles and the curb) is illegal, even though it's common practice.
agenkin wrote:
2. Does the HTA specify acceptable distance from the curb for a car to stop and unload passengers?
Nope.
agenkin wrote:
3. I read some evidence on the Internet that, as far as fault determination goes for the Insurance companies in Ontario, cyclists are never considered at fault, even if charged with a traffic violation. Where can I find a definitive verification for this?
That's sort-of true, but mostly because cyclists are not licenced and do not have to carry insurance, so there really aren't provisions in there for cyclists in the Fault Determination Rules (for insurance only).
Also the Fault Determination Rules are for insurance payouts. It doesn't affect your HTA charge.
agenkin wrote:
4. I have a car insurance; do I *have* to go through my own insurance if I wanted to make a claim for the bike repair, or can I go straight to the cab driver's insurance to claim it?
Actually your bike, I believe, should be covered under your property insurance and not auto insurance. I could be wrong though. Other posters might know, or you could talk to your insurance company about it.
agenkin wrote:
5. I know that there are no demerit points on traffic violations made by cyclists, but will the traffic violation actually go into my driver's record? I.e. will it be visible to insurance companies?
Don't know.
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
http://www.OntarioTicket.com OR http://www.OHTA.ca
So when there is a lane with no cars stopped at the curb, and the cars driving in the lane have stopped because of a traffic jam or while waiting for a traffic light, supposing there is a straight, clear path along the curb for the cyclists, the cyclists are supposed to do what?
Radar Identified wrote:
In my opinion, yes he was. Lane-splitting or lane-filtering (driving/cycling between stopped vehicles, or stopped vehicles and the curb) is illegal, even though it's common practice.
So when there is a lane with no cars stopped at the curb, and the cars driving in the lane have stopped because of a traffic jam or while waiting for a traffic light, supposing there is a straight, clear path along the curb for the cyclists, the cyclists are supposed to do what?
Lane splitting is legal as far as I know. I've never found a law against it. If you're an idiot about it then it could lead to other charges like careless driving, but the act itself appears to be legal.
Lane splitting is legal as far as I know. I've never found a law against it. If you're an idiot about it then it could lead to other charges like careless driving, but the act itself appears to be legal.
pulled over leaving a survey in guelph. After arguing with the officer for about 10 minutes, he mentioned something being wrong with my truck. Told me to put on my emergency brake, and i did. Told me to put it in gear, and i did, truck did not move. Told me to hit the gas, and i did and the truck…
Got two very heavy tickets -- for failing to stop for a school bus, and for using a handheld device. Was running late in a morning rush traffic in Toronto and apparently passed a school bus on the opposite side w/o noticing its signal. A few meters after that I stopped behind the other cars waiting…
I recently received a ticket for proceeding contrary to sign at an intersection. While there are other issues with the offence (sign is not visible until 10ft from intersection, officer wrote wrong license plate number on ticket) my biggest question is about the sign itself.
I posted here a *while* back when I first got my speeding ticket, and I've been fighting it forever. Anyway, long story short - I went and had an appeal and both the prosecutor and the Judge agree that I have valid grounds to appeal on, but what we're arguing is whether the correct remedy is a…
My wife had an auto accident back in May. It is gradually being dealt with by our insurance company ( by the broker actually). My question is about the legal power of the insurance code OAP1. Evidently this set of rules is the Ten Commandments for the insurance companies and the adjustors seem to…
What is the requirement for stopping when a school bus is traveling down the roadway, initiates the flashing red lights while still moving but has not yet stopped? If a motorist is traveling through an intersection (through the free-flow approach, minor-street stop controlled) and an oncoming…
In 2005, the government passed legislation that enabled the introduction of variable speed limits at some point in the future. It didn't take effect right away, so it sat waiting for "proclamation by the Lieutenant Governor." Just by chance... I was reading the HTA earlier while browsing this…
I was on my way to work on a divided four lane highway. I was in the right hand lane following the flow of traffic. There was a slower car ahead of me and I wanted to change lanes and maintain my speed. When I looked in my left side mirror, I notice a red car going pretty fast in the passing…
So i got charged with Hand Held Device, just want to ask everyone if i could use this as my defence
It was midnight, I was dropping my fiance to pick up something on north bound Yonge st (near church) with my emergency lights on, Officer came and asked me to move along so i went up a few streets and…