Our website is made possible by displaying online advertisements to our visitors.
Please consider supporting us by disabling your ad blocker.

Ontario Highway Traffic Act

Discuss the Ontario Highway Traffic Act.


Post Your Traffic Ticket, and Get Help!


The Ontario Traffic Ticket Forum!


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 
Check It Out
No unread posts New Set Fines Starting Sept 1st, 2015! Read and Learn Here.
  Print view

Ticket not Signed?
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:40 am 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:39 am
Posts: 2
Hi there,

I was pulled over about a week-and-a-half ago, and given two tickets. Long story, but at any rate, my copy of the tickets that the officer gave me were not originally signed by the officer, just a carbon-copy of his signature.

Many years ago (mid-90's) I once received a speeding ticket with this same condition, and when I went to plead guilty with an explanation, the Justice tore the ticket up and said it was invalid because the signature was not an original.

Does the same statute still apply? Is the officer required to originally sign my copy of the ticket to make it valid? What HTA proviision applies?

Please let me know; I'm going to the courthouse tomorrow to request a court date, since I will be fighting the tickets either way.

Thanks!

_________________
It wasn't me!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:14 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:26 pm
Posts: 2881
Location: Toronto
Carbon-copy of the signature should be good enough. If the signature was missing entirely, that would be a fatal error. To tell you the truth, the Justice in the trial you mentioned seems like he made a mistake, but I can't say for sure.

It's not the Highway Traffic Act that specifies the ticket requirements and so on, it's actually the Provincial Offences Act. (And a number of court rulings - but don't want to get in to detail, yikes.)

There are other ways we can help, though. What were you ticketed for?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:10 pm 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:39 am
Posts: 2
First ticket was for speeding 85kph in a posted 60kph construction zone. (Northbound on Trafalgar Rd. S of Hwy 401) There's no way I was going that fast; I was cresting a new bridge under construction and there was a speed trap on the other side. I was being careful not to speed as I had seen this same trap many times. I passed the myriad of vehicles parked on the shoulder that were pulled over, and proceeded to make my way to the 401 on-ramp, when I noticed the officer in my rear-view. I pulled over, and he cited me for speeding. Set fine 93.75, Total $118.75

After a few minutes, he pulled me out of the vehicle and told me that my license was suspended for non-payment of a fine. It wasn't. It HAD been, but I had paid the ticket (fail to carry insurance card) before I was notified of the suspension. I immediately called the Province on receipt of the notice of suspension, and they told me that because I had paid the fine before I got the notice of suspension, I wouldn't have to pay the reinstatement fee of $150. According to the officer, (and apparently his records) I was supposed to still pay this bloody reinstatement fee, so he considered me driving without a license and cited me for that too. "Drive Motor Vehicle - No License" - Set fine $260, Total $325.00

All in all, a depressing, expensive day. He made me tow the car home ($140) because it had a FL state temporary; I was in the middle of getting the car licensed. It had passed RIV, but didn't have the Ontario plates on it yet.

_________________
It wasn't me!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:54 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:21 am
Posts: 2933
Location: In YOUR rearview mirror!
Radar Identified wrote:
Carbon-copy of the signature should be good enough.


Yes it is.
We have had discussions at court, in the office, on here and a signature is all that is required, whether carbon or orginal signature.

Two reasonings
- sign top of PON....all copies are then identical (but not original signature to person receiving notice)
- sign notice and give to person, then sign top copy (now the copy is not a true identical copy)

_________________
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:33 am 
Offline
Jr. Member

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:52 am
Posts: 64
I live in Ottawa and I just checked the tickets I have filed (1 warning for fail to surrender insurance and 1 for follow too close which has since been withdrawn) and the officer signed neither of them in the box that states "Issuing Officer (signature) de l'agent". All that is present is the officer's name in a standard typed font (I would guess arial font if I had to).

Now would THIS suffice as a "signature" in court?


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Related topics
 Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. ticket not signed by officer

pit230000

9

698

Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:06 pm

jsherk View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. traffic ticket not signed

diver

3

191

Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:42 pm

bend View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. City of Toronto - Speeding ticket not signed - Fatal error?

iconfat

6

2243

Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:56 am

Radar Identified View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Attachment(s) Stopped on a Signed Highway $150

flong

11

2901

Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:38 am

daggx View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Fatal error if Notice of Offence not signed?

jsherk

4

770

Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:51 pm

jsherk View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Red light ticket or ticket for stop on pedestrian crossing?

Ticket?...nah

2

890

Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:12 am

Ticket?...nah View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Parking Ticket - Ticket placed on car once in a legal spot

Shakeyhands

7

1754

Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:41 pm

ticketcombat View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Speeding ticket and fail to display two plates ticket

Reconsniper

1

1214

Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:29 pm

hwybear View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Ticket for driving to closely but officer gave me his ticket

vince2000

4

1652

Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:07 pm

Mugwug View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Disabled Parking Ticket - No Ticket Received, Have Valid Per

sumguy

1

749

Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:26 am

ynotp View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. valid ticket? no subsection written in on ticket

jcspeziale

0

558

Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:25 am

jcspeziale View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Disobey sign ticket instead of speeding ticket???????????

zeze1266

7

3625

Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:30 am

OTTLegal View the latest post

 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Web Development & Search Engine Optimization
Home | Court Listings | Ontario Traffic Ticket

Copyright 2007 - 2017 © Microtekblue Inc. Web Development & Search Engine Optimization Service. We Support phpBB All Rights Reserved.