I was issued a ticket (HTA 144(15)) I did not run the red light as they said I did, I was proceeding through the intersection as the light changed to yellow and due to the snow covered intersection and -17c temperature I felt I had no chance to stop safely. I feel the officer was acting unjustly due to the fact I had waved at him for forcing me to yield as the officer went around a parked car which obstructed the officer's lane, not mine. Long story short the charge is unjust, I am a victim of a classic police bullying case by a young brash officer. The ticket however has been incorrectly filled out, my address-clearly printed on all 3 documents I provided, License, Insurance, Ownership-was not written correctly by the officer. I returned to the scene and took photo's of the snow and condition of the intersection. Do I have a case, will the photo's be admissible in court, can I request footage from the police car's onboard camera and can I mention that the officer had turned around after I waved and clearly must have broken the speed limit during the 2km stretch of road (40km/h limit) the officer chased me on to have been able to even see me at said intersection. The money or the points is not so important as I currently have a clean record, I feel victimized and cheated by those who are there to serve and protect, not harass as they did. All info is greatly appreciated, thanks for your time, N.I.
I was issued a ticket (HTA 144(15)) I did not run the red light as they said I did, I was proceeding through the intersection as the light changed to yellow and due to the snow covered intersection and -17c temperature I felt I had no chance to stop safely. I feel the officer was acting unjustly due to the fact I had waved at him for forcing me to yield as the officer went around a parked car which obstructed the officer's lane, not mine. Long story short the charge is unjust, I am a victim of a classic police bullying case by a young brash officer. The ticket however has been incorrectly filled out, my address-clearly printed on all 3 documents I provided, License, Insurance, Ownership-was not written correctly by the officer. I returned to the scene and took photo's of the snow and condition of the intersection. Do I have a case, will the photo's be admissible in court, can I request footage from the police car's onboard camera and can I mention that the officer had turned around after I waved and clearly must have broken the speed limit during the 2km stretch of road (40km/h limit) the officer chased me on to have been able to even see me at said intersection. The money or the points is not so important as I currently have a clean record, I feel victimized and cheated by those who are there to serve and protect, not harass as they did.
All info is greatly appreciated, thanks for your time,
In order to be convicted for fail to stop, the officer has to clearly observe that the light is red and that, after the light turned red, your vehicle proceeded through the intersection. What I'm getting at is, was he in a position to do so? Was the position of your vehicle with respect to where you're required to stop clearly visible to him when the light turned red? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed as though he turned around, followed you, some time while following you he observed you allegedly failing to stop, then pulled you over... is that right? Some bad news: The incorrect address is not sufficient to quash the PON. It may provide some evidence that the officer was not 100% attentive to detail which may introduce doubt to his testimony, but only a SMALL amount. That still won't be enough to beat the charge, I think. The officer exceeding the speed limit while he was chasing you is not going to help either; they are allowed to exceed the speed limit in the lawful performance of their duties, even if the reason for doing so is not readily apparent. Some good news: The photos you took will be admissible. That was good work on your part. You need to date-time stamp them, though, if you haven't already. Send a written request to the Prosecutor's office for disclosure of the Crown's case against you. Keep a copy of it and proof that you sent it and it was received (fax transmission, registered mail, courier etc). Disclosure achieves a number of things, mostly importantly seeing the Crown's evidence against you. Improper disclosure is grounds to stop the proceedings against you, if they don't give you the information. Did the officer definitely have a camera in the car? If it definitely did, include that in your disclosure request, also ask for the officer's driving and disciplinary record. Depending on your approach to it and the evidence you gather, it looks like you could have a solid case here. For more information check out this website: www.ticketcombat.com As for the stuff about the officer harassing you, etc.... I'm sure you know to leave that out of the courtroom proceedings and in dealings with the Prosecutor. They hear it, without exaggeration, dozens of times each day. It's a sure-fire way to lose credibility. Anyway that's my take on it, fwiw...
In order to be convicted for fail to stop, the officer has to clearly observe that the light is red and that, after the light turned red, your vehicle proceeded through the intersection. What I'm getting at is, was he in a position to do so? Was the position of your vehicle with respect to where you're required to stop clearly visible to him when the light turned red? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed as though he turned around, followed you, some time while following you he observed you allegedly failing to stop, then pulled you over... is that right?
Some bad news: The incorrect address is not sufficient to quash the PON. It may provide some evidence that the officer was not 100% attentive to detail which may introduce doubt to his testimony, but only a SMALL amount. That still won't be enough to beat the charge, I think. The officer exceeding the speed limit while he was chasing you is not going to help either; they are allowed to exceed the speed limit in the lawful performance of their duties, even if the reason for doing so is not readily apparent.
Some good news: The photos you took will be admissible. That was good work on your part. You need to date-time stamp them, though, if you haven't already. Send a written request to the Prosecutor's office for disclosure of the Crown's case against you. Keep a copy of it and proof that you sent it and it was received (fax transmission, registered mail, courier etc). Disclosure achieves a number of things, mostly importantly seeing the Crown's evidence against you. Improper disclosure is grounds to stop the proceedings against you, if they don't give you the information. Did the officer definitely have a camera in the car? If it definitely did, include that in your disclosure request, also ask for the officer's driving and disciplinary record. Depending on your approach to it and the evidence you gather, it looks like you could have a solid case here. For more information check out this website: www.ticketcombat.com
As for the stuff about the officer harassing you, etc.... I'm sure you know to leave that out of the courtroom proceedings and in dealings with the Prosecutor. They hear it, without exaggeration, dozens of times each day. It's a sure-fire way to lose credibility.
hello, i requested a pre-trial meeting for my ticket and at the meeting the prosecutor agreed to reduce the charge to a 'failure to obey lane light' which has no points and a fine of $110 which i pleaded guilty to in front of a Justice and the matter was resolved with 30 days to pay. you cannot get the ticket dropped at this type of meeting however there were many people who received reduced fines and lengthy payment periods. you will have to wait until the end of the day to have your plea entered and plead guilty to the reduced fine so make sure you have time to spend if this is what you are after. most reasonable tickets were able to be reduced significantly on the day i was there. good luck and drive safely, A>
hello, i requested a pre-trial meeting for my ticket and at the meeting the prosecutor agreed to reduce the charge to a 'failure to obey lane light' which has no points and a fine of $110 which i pleaded guilty to in front of a Justice and the matter was resolved with 30 days to pay. you cannot get the ticket dropped at this type of meeting however there were many people who received reduced fines and lengthy payment periods. you will have to wait until the end of the day to have your plea entered and plead guilty to the reduced fine so make sure you have time to spend if this is what you are after. most reasonable tickets were able to be reduced significantly on the day i was there. good luck and drive safely, A>
ok well here is my story .. I had an old megaphone from alarm system and decided since my horns on my car were rusted and were not making a loud enough sound.. i connected the alarm megaphone to the horn wires and it sounded very cool. depending on how log i hold my horn down for . due to the size of the power horn.. and mhy car being a Honda.. meaning no room under the hood i had installed it…
So I got this ticket because the lady behind me was WAY too close and I had to back up before getting hit by another car and dented her bumper.
Offense is stated as follows: Start from Stopped position - Not in Safety
Highway Traffic Act 142 (2)
First of all, I don't really know what that means and if it says that I was not in safety (which I wasn't) why am I getting a ticket? And why didn't the…
This is my first time ever getting a ticket and I am completely frustrated and don't know what to do.
On July 7th, I was driving to work, taking my usual route and it's about a 15 minute drive for me. At the first red light, I noticed I had a bit of time thanks to the countdown so I quickly reached into my bag to grab a lip balm. I noticed I had brought the wrong one so I just kept it out and…
It happened last December. I was facing north in the middle of the intersection at Donmills and McNicoll waiting to make a left turn. There was a big white van on the other side of McNicoll facing south waiting to turn left too. When the light changed to amber, I checked and the road was clear, there was no upcoming vehicle. So slowly I made the left turn. Suddenly a small car dashed up from…
First off, the most similar case and HELPFUL thread has y far come from neo333: a great read and very similar and relevant to my case and of course ticketcombat.com
I'll cole's notes this so that it can be concise and can recap my experience with disclosure, notes and failed stay request and adjourned court date. Thank you for reading and leaving your opinion.
I got a notice in the mail that trial is set four weeks from today, so it's time to request disclosure. I have zero chance of getting an 11b since trial is less than two months after the offense date and the officer did not reduce the charge. I really want to try and create delays on the trial, to reduce the chance of the officer showing up on multiple occasions. Is there any known loop-holes…
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The police were set up to catch people, as that intersection had a no left turn sign from 7-9 am (buses…
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A friend of mine (who is from China and with no knowledge of English at all) asked me to interpret for him on court.
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Hi I'm new to this forum but I hope I'm bringing you all good news.
I recently wrote a book short titled ABUSE OF POWER
This book is all about how the Ontario government broke the law to enact the new street racing legislation.
To start with the denial of the right to remain innocent until proven guilty was enacted without due process under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. How it wasn't done…
So i lent my car to my gf the other day and she went to drop her friend at a Go station but when she was turning left into the parking lot at the Go station a bus hits her from behind while she was turning so now my rear fender is pushed in and more scrathes and my bumper is damaged...but the cop that showed up just kept telling my gf thats its her fault cause its private property...is that true…
Hi, thanks for reading. I've read a bunch of articles online and searched the forum to try and find my answers but I'm still unsure so I'm creating a new thread.
I was following a car that was going SUPER fast down the DVP but I got pulled over. I was speeding, too; however I don't want to use the "you got the wrong guy" defence because I'll probably lose.
I left my home at 4 am to pick up my daughter from downtown Toronto. When I passed the major intersection south of my house there were two police cars in the middle of the intersection and one officer waved me through the intersection.
When I returned with my daughter at 5:30 am the police cars were still in the intersection. I slowed down as I approached the intersection but the police were no…
I will be representing my wife at her speeding trial next week. Mostly everything is pretty much run of the mill but since she wasn't speeding we will be having her take the stand. Since this opens up the opportunity for the prosecutor to cross examine, I am just wondering if anyone here knows what kind of questions we should expect from the prosecutor in order to best prepare.
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This topic discusses the same thing but with CN police; is it any different for regular offences?
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I will be going to trial for my red light camera offence.
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1) My ticket says I (being the owner) am "charged…
I'm a newbie, so be kind if I'm messing up. Question: is it illegal to signal oncoming traffic that they are approaching a speed trap by flashing one's lights?
I ask because I was stopped for doing that yesterday evening, but did not end up with a ticket. The officer spend 5-10 minutes n his car, then sent me on my way. I'm wondering if he changed his mind or found out it was legal.
ok well here is my story .. I had an old megaphone from alarm system and decided since my horns on my car were rusted and were not making a loud enough sound.. i connected the alarm megaphone to the horn wires and it sounded very cool. depending on how log i hold my horn down for . due to the size of the power horn.. and mhy car being a Honda.. meaning no room under the hood i had installed it…