Just wanted to get everyone's opinion on establishing a due diligence defence this case that I'm planning on self-defending in two days: -------------------------------------------- I was turning left out of a parking lot into a busy intersection after dinner when I forgot to put my seatbelt on, even though I thought it was on the whole time. I had travelled no more than 40 metres after the turn into an stop light intersection, when I noticed that the officer was driving up behind me. At this point, even though I had a seatbelt indicator light on my dashboard I was busy paying attention to the traffic at the intersection and to the police car in my rearview mirror to notice the seatbelt indicator (I have had only one speeding ticket in 15+ years of driving, but my wife had 3 tickets last year so I become a bit panicked when I see the police car behind me). After I make a right at the intersection, the officer immediately signals for me to pull over, and asks why I had no seatbelt fastened. I advise the officer that I forgot, and she issues me two tickets, one for 106 (1) Seatbelt removed, a ticket for expired permit (which I thought was fair), along with several warnings (not signing my ownership, etc). My argument for due diligence is that: 1) I normally always wear my seatbelt except for this incident in which I forgot. 2) I also rely on two safety features that my car has to remind me to put on my seatbelt in case I do forget. The first feature was the solid seatbelt indicator light, which was on at the time, but I did not see it since I was paying attention to the traffic conditions and was also a bit panicked from looking in my rearview mirror at the police car. The second feature is a beeping sound and a flashing indicator light, which are triggered after having driven some distance without seatbelt fastened. When I was pulled over the seatbelt indicator light was on, but I had not been driving long enough for the second feature to be triggered before being pulled over. Would I stand a chance in arguing that, while I had taken precautions to make sure to remind myself to wear a seatbelt (even in cases where I forget), that I was not allowed to exercise these precautions (my due diligence) before being pulled over, and thus should not be found guilty? -------------------------------------------- In terms of evidence, I have a receipt from the restaurant that I ate at that to show I was just pulling out from the parking lot, as opposed to having driven a long distance without wearing a seatbelt. I also have my wife's three tickets from last year, as well as timestamped photos from the intersection where I was pulled over. I have the officer's disclosure (notes only, no audio or video) and it is as follows: -------------------------------------------- Tuesday evening, light rain, average traffic fully marked sc xxxx Travelling north bound on Birchmount Road, observe vehcile one car length ahead of my scout car, in curb lane with a XXXX validation sticker on the rear licence plate. Confirm the validation expiry of XXXX, 2017. Observe the solo male driver not wearing his seat belt. I am the passenger in the scout car and have full view of the vehicle slightly in front of us as we are moving in behind the vehicle. Observe the driver's should (sic) to be seat belt free and can see the buckle dangling above his shoulder. Male driver, valid ON photo D/L and insurance. Permit expired same date as validation sticker. Ownership not signed. Male has an "x" condition on his licence, and is not wearing glasses or contacts. Advised he forgot to put his seat belt on, forgot to obtain his sticker, forgot to sign his owner ship and didn't change his driver's licence status after obtaining laser eye surgery. -------------------------------------------- I'd appreciate any light anyone can shed on this. Thanks.

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Fight driver no seatbelt ticket with due diligence defence

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No. You aren't causing doubt on the officer's credibility. They just made an error. If the vehicle didn't have a permit then it didn't have a permit. Almost impossible to beat.

No. You aren't causing doubt on the officer's credibility. They just made an error. If the vehicle didn't have a permit then it didn't have a permit. Almost impossible to beat.

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I forgot you were facing two offenses. Your strategy should therefore be different. When you attend court, do not discuss the case with the prosecutor. Simply tell him you want to go to trial. The reason for this is to not give them a chance to obtain MTO files confirming your plate was expired. Too often, prosecutors do not obtain official MTO documents to prove status charges like yours, instead relying on what the officer testifies. But, some courts view that as hearsay. After all, if the prosecution wants to rely on MTO status, then they can simply provide certified MTO documents. The officer telling the court what they read on their computer system in their vehicle is no different then if they were to tell the court what they read on the internet. So, while you have an excellent case on the seatbelt offense, you don't want to give the prosecution too much opportunity to gather the MTO document. They might not have requested those before court, assuming you would be pleading on a deal. By the way, I probably wouldn't even take the stand in your case. That way you won't have to answer when you last paid for a plate renewal. In other words, don't give them an opportunity for you to hang your own self.

I forgot you were facing two offenses. Your strategy should therefore be different. When you attend court, do not discuss the case with the prosecutor. Simply tell him you want to go to trial. The reason for this is to not give them a chance to obtain MTO files confirming your plate was expired.

Too often, prosecutors do not obtain official MTO documents to prove status charges like yours, instead relying on what the officer testifies. But, some courts view that as hearsay. After all, if the prosecution wants to rely on MTO status, then they can simply provide certified MTO documents. The officer telling the court what they read on their computer system in their vehicle is no different then if they were to tell the court what they read on the internet.

So, while you have an excellent case on the seatbelt offense, you don't want to give the prosecution too much opportunity to gather the MTO document. They might not have requested those before court, assuming you would be pleading on a deal.

By the way, I probably wouldn't even take the stand in your case. That way you won't have to answer when you last paid for a plate renewal. In other words, don't give them an opportunity for you to hang your own self.

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Understood. Thanks for the contributions. Will update this thread with the results tomorrow.

Understood. Thanks for the contributions. Will update this thread with the results tomorrow.

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Hi everyone, the officer did not show up so charges were withdrawn. I was kinda looking forward to the trial, but thank you all for your help!

Hi everyone, the officer did not show up so charges were withdrawn. I was kinda looking forward to the trial, but thank you all for your help!

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Congratulations! I think that's a very good result nonetheless. Came in with two tickets, left with none.

Congratulations! I think that's a very good result nonetheless. Came in with two tickets, left with none.

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Don't you hate it when that happens? You have a wonderful defence planned and you don't even get to use it? Of course, winning by default is always easier. Congratulations.

Don't you hate it when that happens? You have a wonderful defence planned and you don't even get to use it? Of course, winning by default is always easier. Congratulations.

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It would have been nicer to win after a trial, but you still got the desired outcome. Congratulations! Now, put that seatbelt back in your car! :lol:

It would have been nicer to win after a trial, but you still got the desired outcome. Congratulations! Now, put that seatbelt back in your car! :lol:

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