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Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:36 am

Wish I ran into more considerate officers myself. Read my last big post. I would have less of a chip on my shoulder. The only sense I could make that the officer stopped my cab was because I was easier to catch up to.

In the end, I got two ticket, lost my fares and after pleading guilty with an explanation I showed the JP my weekly earnings, wich in two weeks were less than the two tickets I received and she promptly dropped them both times, (Lean weeks) but it was kept on my driving record. She also commented, "What are we going to do with you?" To wich I replied, can you have the police stop the other cab from stealing my fares of which btw is going much faster than me in a residential? After a long pause and some research into the police notes, the Jp told me that the police notes have no mention about annother cab, just you. Very nice.

I know that those two officers knew about the other cab. Maybe it's a familly member. I don't know. Maybe I should have done more research and actually faught those two tickets 10 years ago. It would have been easy cause the other cab company consisted of only one driver. That officer left that significant detail out of his notes to cover his own butt. Are you still going to tell me that officers have no motivation other than an interest in traffic enforcement. Not all of them. We can google all day for examples in the U.S and Canada about officers not on the up and up.


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Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:19 am

coolcustomer wrote:Wish I ran into more considerate officers myself. Read my last big post. I would have less of a chip on my shoulder. The only sense I could make that the officer stopped my cab was because I was easier to catch up to.

In the end, I got two ticket, lost my fares and after pleading guilty with an explanation I showed the JP my weekly earnings, wich in two weeks were less than the two tickets I received and she promptly dropped them both times, (Lean weeks) but it was kept on my driving record. She also commented, "What are we going to do with you?" To wich I replied, can you have the police stop the other cab from stealing my fares of which btw is going much faster than me in a residential? After a long pause and some research into the police notes, the Jp told me that the police notes have no mention about annother cab, just you. Very nice.

I know that those two officers knew about the other cab. They told me they did from my other post, maybe it's a familly member. I don't know. Maybe I should have done more research and actually faught those two tickets 10 years ago. It would have been easy cause the other cab company consisted of only one driver. That officer left that significant detail out of his notes to cover his own butt. Are you still going to tell me that officers have no motivation other than an interest in traffic enforcement. Not all of them. We can google all day for examples in the U.S and Canada about officers not on the up and up.
So whats the deal now? Let me tell you, from the cab driving example, let me make it clear that I was stoped three times by the same two officers and ticketed twice. When one officer sees annother officer committing acts that are disshonnest, can one officer pressure the other officer to stay quiet? The answer to that is yes. Peer presure is common in the business world and it's application is universal, one officer is guilty of wrongdoing, the other is guilty by association. Officers, what if your supervisors are asking you to stay quiet on a certain disshonest or illegal situation to proctect that officer of wrongdoin? Will you be the one and only whistleblower and risk your own jobs?

This is how in society an officer can become a victim. Like beeing stuck between a rock and a hard place.


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Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:22 am

We can google all day for examples in the U.S and Canada about officers not on the up and up.
In the USA there are 683,396 police officers. In Canada, 67, 436, so roughly 3/4 of a million police officers in North America. Doing, arguably one of the most dangerous jobs, stressful jobs in unpredictable situations...I agree, there's probably ONE making a bone headed move every week. Are they all policing the way YOU would like? Unfortunately not. Are 99% of police officers in it for the right reasons, to try and make a difference, men and women who grew up like normal kids, who have families, friends outside of policing, church going, soccer coaching people who care more so than the courts seems to?

You betcha!

While I agree there are articles regarding officers making bad decisions, here's a few headlines from the past week...

Ore. officer expected to recover after shooting
Plainclothes cop shoots gunmen, ends robbery spree
Pa. cop fought for her life before shooting suspect
Ariz. cop shot, killed during traffic stop
Man uses genitals to assault Scottish cop


Just another week on the job...I think it would be easier for you to comment on police officers, if you had the guts to become one...

As for you being stopped and another cab speeding, that other cab has NOTHING to do with your traffic stop, it wouldn't have been in my notes either...and maybe, they saw you first!!

I don't know exactly what happened that day (your 'notes' are incomplete, YOU - coolcustomer - must be hiding something) so I can theorize, but until you disclose all the details, I can't comment any further on your situation...


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by: coolcustomer on
Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:40 am

I work for CBSA now. I'm right up there with ya on danger. Maybe not as much as our American counterpart watching the Mexican border. However I have no freedom to talk about those details. http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/

I am trying to offer constructive critisism, thats all. And maybe perhaps I'm beeing too negative and seeming like I am attacking your integritty as a whole.

As for the comment of they saw me first, they were ahead of me. It's in my original story. I did forget to mention the police vehicle was parked at the time. So please Will you just put the danger in the crapper for now, I'm talking about police stopping law abbiding citizens and the fact that yes you said it, they can make bad desisions. People are people, people make mistakes and the police are no different.

I saw some great examples of how in my opinion the police are using incredible intelligence to teach lessons without putting a financial burden, but I am also pointing out the other end of the spectrum.

I also have faults but I always strive to do my job better. I almost got fired once on a pretty bad decision.

I'm just gonna stop commenting now.

BTW, yes I did want to be a police officer originally and I still have great interest in it.


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Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:50 am

Well I appreciate any criticisms, but if you haven't work in the profession, I generally take it with a grain of salt.

I have a lot of respect for CBSA employees, also doing a tough job and subject to a lot of public criticism.

And I agree about your comment on 'the spectrum' but that's true of any industry which employs people, from hotel managers, bartenders, paramedics to yes, police officers.

Yes we could give everyone a warning, but then if people knew they were getting a warning there would be no incentive to obey the law.

Does the logic an officer uses to determine which car to stop always resonate with the driver? Hell no. But I assure, every officer has an articulable reason for stopping a vehicle, and it isn't necessarily what you think...

Have I confounded motorists, infuriated drivers, left people thinking like I was picking on them? I'm sure I have.

Do I call it the way I see it and sleep well at night? Roger that.

This one fella in town didn't want to affix his front licence plate, said it inrterfered with the look of the car. And sat it in his windshield instead, the fourth time I ticketed him (over 2 years) it was by way of Pt III summons, he marched down to HQ and lodged a harassment complaint.

Dismissed.

Court - $1000 fine and warned not to be seen in court again.

He mounted his plate.

I haven't stopped him in 3 years.

We're both happy...


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by: Biron on
Sun May 30, 2010 7:30 pm

I think it is a good idea to put cameras in the car. :idea:

You do not have to prove that your speedometer has been checked or certified to raise a reasonable doubt. The prosecution's burden of proof is different and much more stringent because they have to prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt.

Similarly, you do not have to go over the same procedures, as the prosecution, to certify your cameras or videos. To prove the charge, is the prosecution who has to provide credible evidence showing that your camera system and the produced video is faulty. Good luck with that.

In both cases, unless the contrary is shown, it is enough to show that, although these instruments may be working improperly, if they may also be working properly, then that reasonable possibility creates a reasonable doubt.

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by: Bookm on
Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:45 pm

hwybear wrote:...stopped a vehicle one night for speed (think 122 in a 100).
Holy! Glad you don't patrol where I drive, LOL!
This would have to be the 401, right?

I'll be travelling through your area next month (SHO Club convention in Detroit). Will keep my fingers crossed there and back (always works!) ;)

Re: Camera...
Recently, I was sitting in an intersection waiting to turn left. The oncoming traffic was about to clear so I made a quick look to the left to ensure no pedetrians are crossing. There are two people standing on the corner, deep in coversation, but no worries, I can turn.

The intersection clears and I make my left. Just then, one of the fellows on the corner makes a sudden break from his discussion, and with a backwards twist kind of thing, launches into the crosswalk without looking (aside from the quick glance up at the crosswalk light). Of course I was all over my horn and he jumped to attention as I brushed the tips of his toes with 4,000 lbs of rollin' thunder.

Of course he yelled an apology... no wait!.. he should have, but instead I got a royal tounge lashing. I just smiled. Surely he would think about it later and realize I just saved him from a certain trip to the hospital with my quick smack of the horn, right? RIGHT??

So if I hit him, do you think his buddy on the sidewalk would have backed up MY story, or HIS? (Pffft). NO ONE would have believed my story! Infact, I'm sure I'd be facing some pretty hefty charges right now.

I used to drive with a small video camera running at all times on my dash. Somehow, I got lazy and stopped doing this.

I'll tell you right now, IT'S GOING BACK IN!!

BTW, Im selling my big Lincoln so I'm considering selling the police video system out of it. Cool conversation piece.



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Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:54 pm

My Caddy is being retired for a slightly newer one. Ive been browsing all week for cameras, havent decided yet what im installing. Im thinking of keeping it as simple as a keychain cam.

I too have been stopped lots. Ive had my license for 2 years.

Hmm... a list of everything i can remember:

Stopped in my grand prix, pipes too loud, tint too dark. Lots of arguing, was sent on my way, no tickets or warnings, but threatened if stopped again, yadda yadda.

Stopped same car for headlight out. Nice guy, gave me a notice to repair it. Fixed next day and went to the police station with the notice, no one ever heard of the guy...

Stopped same car, something about excessive driving. 4 lane, 80 limit. Argued a bit, overdrive in this car doesnt work, RPM.s are 3200 @ 80km/h. Warned to watch my driving :roll:

Ok hated that car, sold it, bought my STS.

3 days i had it, stopped for doing 40 in an 80. I was pulling over... no cars around so hadent signal'd. "why you driving slow" umm... "i just drove through a big cloud of bugs and their guts are smeared all over my windshield" - "you failed to lower your high-beams" - :roll: there were no cars coming. "are you doing b&e's?" there was NO reason for that question, i have no clue what the hell that was. Tickets for insurense card and i forget the other... paid the insurense one, other was quashed, dont know why.

20 minutes after that, disobey sign. Quashed. They had been following me in an attempt to ID my passenger, seeing where i was dropping him off.

next one was speeding. 147 in a 100 (403). Yep i used the cruise control excuse. I didnt say what i had it set to, i just said no way. Then pointed to my dash where it says in BIG BLUE SHINY BLINKING LETTERS: "SERVICE STABILITY SYSTEM - VEHICLE SPEED LIMITED TO 135KM/H". All i got was a nod, and he walked away.... pled that one down to 129.... court didnt care about my arguments, radar is god.

i could go on, sure theres some parts of the story's missing, there always is, but im not here to write a book.


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