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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:36 pm 
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I got a response back for my Freedom of Information Request about "tuning fork test requirements removed from radar manuals" and the request has been approved.

However they have to notify a "third party" that was involved, and if this party does not object, then information will be released in January.

So more wait and see!

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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:26 pm 
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Amazing how if tuning forks are so obsolete, there are still sold by Decatur. How is anyone supposed to verify the speed of an oncoming vehicle?
http://www.decaturelectronics.com/produ ... forks.html

Pretty sad, how we can't get operator manuals. I requested disclosure and got only the test procedure, which is a joke. I went to the police station and was told they would not let me read the manual and they couldn't give me a copy due to copyright laws. Said I must contact manufacturer. So I called Decatur...."We are not allowed to give out manuals, but your detachment is free to give you a copy if they want".

This is a shameful abortion of a so called justice system. Legal system maybe, revenue generating system, but it's not justice system when you use tax payer money to purchase equipment and then not allow those tax payers access to it.


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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:54 pm 
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For local police, I got the full manual with disclosure when I requested it.

For OPP all I got was the test page. I had to make a freedom of information request to get a copy of the full manual from OPP.
So you better start that process now as it can take a while!

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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:18 pm 
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Did you get you request granted?


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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:25 pm 
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For local police, yes I got the full manual with disclsoure. For OPP I only got test page and they would not give me the full manual.

But my freedom of information request for the full manual from OPP was granted and I got the full manual that way.

Decatur Genesis II Select Directional Radar Manual Canada Variant Rev 25-Aug-2010
http://www.scribd.com/doc/267027385/Gen ... lectronics

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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:38 pm 
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I see. Thanks. Is 2010 is outdated now?


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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:53 pm 
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I don't think so. I have not seen or heard of a newer one.

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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
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Yep. It's outdated.


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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:04 am 
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CBC did a report on this issue:
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/spee ... -1.3415927

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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:03 pm 
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I was just told about the CBC report by a co-worker of mine.
I find it funny how two people confirmed what I had said in my earlier post regarding the testing procedure being modified at the request of the "customer" (Ontario)
Note the former OPP officer stating he made the request for this change and the ex employee of Decatur stating they made the change to make the sale.

So, if you are a big enough customer, corporations will bend the rules to please you...

There you have it, the question is, can you use any of this in court? I highly doubt it, unless you are willing to pay the expense of flying the ex Decatur employee up here to stand as expert witness at your trial, CBC report has no legal weight.


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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 3:34 pm 
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Okay so I got a couple letters back from my freedom of information request.

To summarize, it was the OPP who asked Decatur if tuning forks were necessary and Decatur basically said no they are not, so we will remove it from the manual for you.

If anybody wants a copy of what I got, send me a PM and I will send you the PDF file (5 pages).

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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
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So the bottom line is, the OPP did not ask them to remove the tuning fork requirement, the people who designed and built the radar indicated that they weren't necessary for testing and removed that requirement themselves?


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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 6:07 am 
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It is not clear to me if the OPP asked them to remove the requirement or if they volunteered to remove it. From the two letteres I received back in my fredom of information request, they would both appear to point to there being much more communication about the issue, however this was not provided to me.

You can download letters from here:
http://iwebss.com/wp-content/uploads/20 ... -forks.pdf

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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
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Why did they not include the OPP correspondence so you can get the whole story?


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Re: Radar Manual- No tuning forks and No tracking history
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 4:47 pm 
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Well that would be a good question for them to answer as well.

I got only one letter on my first request, so I made a second request and got only the second letter.

It would appear to me that there should be quite a bit more communication regarding this issue, but as always somebody in government is either covering it up or inept at their job.

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