Don't run

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Only in America.........775HP

I can hear it now....."You better not run, you better not try, I'll tell you now he's got more then you guy, Speedy Cop is chasing your A$$".

Haha, "Speedy Cop"

I'm not sure how he sold the idea to the Chief. Something about having to remove the rear seat on an '03 to get the dog in? If that was the problem, how does a basically 2.5-seater Camaro solve the dog issue?

You'd have to do some NASTY stuff to a Busa to be able to get away from that on the open road

What a massive waste of Tax Payer money.

tdrive2 wrote:

What a massive waste of Tax Payer money.

Did you read the link?

Sorry didnt see the link.

Anyways defeats the purpose do we really want officers that need to go that fast to catch a speeder?

I mean its one thing to catch a criminal but if you need some kinda vehicle like this to catch someone the speeds your going to be doing starts to become dangerous.

Anyways its one thing for an officer to go like 180-210 or something to get to an accident or catch up to someone but do we actually want cops like going 250 + down a 3 lane highway trying to catch some guy on a 1000 cc sport bike who has no intentions of stopping?

I mean if you put the lights on and he wont slow down he is not going to stop. Tryin to catch him with cat and mouse would make it dangerous for others spikes/road block would do better or set up cops on the exits to he gets into a more rural area.

Besides i heard cops are not supposed to exceed 200 or 180 or something in a pursuit if they have to go faster they are supposed to call ahead?

Does this also apply to emergencies (tractor trail crash on side of hwy, etc)

What happened to "speed is not dangerous"?

What do you mean?

Like a highway of cars driving at speeds over 150 passing on the left and moving right and left to pass, repeated?

Or a guy in a 1000 cc sport bike trying to run from a cop in some souped up muscle car and the guy in the bike is trying to exceed 250 with an officer in some wild muscle car trying to race around cars on a 3 lane that are all going between 100-130 km/hr.

Big Difference!

I have said this many times before.

Speeding like this on a crowded highway is very dangerous, trying to weave through traffic at 150 when everyone else is at 110 cause there is so much volume or cause people are blocking passing lanes.

But when the road is open in the middle of the night and your going 150 in a straight line, no this is not dangerous.

There is a big difference between speed, and a high speed pursuit of a criminal when the road is maxed out volume wise.

I mean sure if officers want 700 hp cars to run after criminals on the autobahn at 2 am go for it.

But i sure dont want the OPP with vehicles like this on the 400 at rush hour trying to go after some guy on a sport bike who wont stop.

It also bothers me people never refer to speed and the road. I mean speeding 50 over in a school zone or in downtown toronto at 9 am is alot different then driving down the 400 to barrie at 6 am on a saturday no?

tdrive2 wrote:

Besides i heard cops are not supposed to exceed 200 or 180 or something in a pursuit if they have to go faster they are supposed to call ahead?

Does this also apply to emergencies (tractor trail crash on side of hwy, etc)

Every pursuit the air is "open" so units ahead can get in position

The "heard cops" thing is a rumour.

Most calls for service, I just keep my same speed as I was originally travelling. Only time I "kick-it-up" is when a person might get injured or an officer needs assistance.

So your transport collision example:

Into ditch- 1st unit is high priority, until it can be determined if the load has dangerous goods on board....and possible evacuations of the area.

- if a lane is blocked it is high priority response for all units.

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Here is Ohio State Police answer to "crotch rockets". They have utilized a seized (from a drug dealer) Suzuki Hayabusa.

Cool but bear do you guys have some sort of limit your not supposed to exceed in a chase or in general?

tdrive2 wrote:

What do you mean?

I mean, why do you assume that a 775 HP police vehicle will be used for rush-hour chases? Just because the potential is there does not mean that it will happen. That's like saying we should seize all cars with over 100 HP because they have the potential to go fast when conditions don't allow it.

tdrive2 wrote:

Cool but bear do you guys have some sort of limit your not supposed to exceed in a chase or in general?

We have to be able to justify our speed (slow or fast) when asked.

hwybear wrote:

Here is Ohio State Police answer to "crotch rockets". They have utilized a seized (from a drug dealer) Suzuki Hayabusa.

Ha ha ha, trooper on a crotch rocket!

EDIT: Wanted to insert this to clarify my second paragraph as a response to:

tdrive2 wrote:

I mean its one thing to catch a criminal but if you need some kinda vehicle like this to catch someone the speeds your going to be doing starts to become dangerous.

If someone tries to run from a speeding ticket, could be many reasons for doing so. One could be just wants to escape the ticket and $$$, could also be that he just knocked over a liquor store or is a wanted fugitive who carjacked someone and stole the car. So, there is some justification in going after the person who flees... I'm not someone who has the training or experience to know when to continue or call it off, so I couldn't comment on any specific decision to chase or not.

Well Radar Identified we forgot one thing.

I heard the OPP will call in the Air Force in case someone robbed a tim horton's or stole all their doughnuts.

In that case you would close off the whole highway and call in the Air Force but i doubt anyone would try to hold up a tim hortons off of a 400 series highway.

But good point as to needing to catch criminals i forgot that sometimes people will speed for that time and are not just trying to escape the road side trial, thousands of dollars, and insurance increases.

Aerial surveillance is an excellent way of keeping the subjects in sight without putting other officers/civilians at risk. Even crotch rockets can't really outrun the OPP's C-206. On the subject of fleeing, apparently there was a police pursuit that began in York Region and ended on the 401 near Avenue Road after police initially spotted what appeared to be a street race:

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_34329.aspx

Wow i wonder what these guys see in that plane up on the hwy 400 on a long weekend.

Must be like everything you can find that is AGAINST the law in the OHTA.

I would love to sit in this plane on the July 1st weekend for the whole trip up to barrie and back to watch the madness.

Running from a Busa would require an R1 and some creativity. Of course, that would only be in the twisties. On a straight highway or even in moderate twisties, a Busa would be dang-near impossible to get away from if the constable knows what he's doing on 2 wheels.

While a bike can outrun a plane (don't ask me how I found that out ) or a chopper, it can't really outrun the aircraft's line of sight, unless we're dealing with tunnels.

Last fall an MC outran OPP near Woodstock area as the cruiser tried to pull him over.....only thing the MC driver didn't know was that the OPP Cesna was the one that "clocked" him to begin with.....so they let him go, followed him via air, had ground units move in, he outruns again......plane follows him to another location (gas station) where he starts to fill the MC....ground units swoop in again...DOH!!

To me, running is not worth the risk. Did it once, at the age of 12 (got away clean) and never again. With the benefit of adulthood, the most important issue about running is putting others at risk. If I hurt some innocent person in the process, I could never live with myself.

On a side note, think the OPP's Cessna 206H has a cruising speed of about 140 knots true airspeed (about 260 km/h). Someone trying to run would really have to floor it for a long period of time!

still the same plane?

Radar Identified wrote:

On a side note, think the OPP's Cessna 206H has a cruising speed of about 140 knots true airspeed (about 260 km/h). Someone trying to run would really have to floor it for a long period of time!

What is 140knots true air speed? Was told it was Cesna 206 turbo at 178knots. But I don't know the difference in that jargon.

I think airspeed = speed through the air, so ground speed = airspeed + (or -) wind speed. Not sure what "true" means.

Oops... yeah should've included an explanation.

If it's a 206 Turbo, 178 knots is definitely possible... could be true airspeed or indicated... That's well over 300 km/h. Basically "true" airspeed is the actual speed that the airplane is moving through the air. Squishy - yes, you are correct.

However, aircraft instruments aren't perfect, so let's say the 206 can do 178 knots "true" airspeed. (The aviation abbreviation would be 178 KTAS.) That won't be exactly what shows up on the aircraft's Airspeed Indicator, even on aircraft like an Airbus 380, Boeing 777 or Dash-8 Q400.

Basically the airspeed indicator on aircraft like the 206 works by taking the forward pressure of the air that the plane is flying through (Pitot pressure), and compares it to the air around it (static pressure). Then it measures the difference between the two is because, of course, as you get higher, the air gets thinner - so Pitot pressure alone would be wildly inaccurate if it wasn't compared to static pressure. The airspeed indicator then gives you Indicated Airspeed, but the problem is, the Pitot tube's position affects the reading somewhat - this is true for every airplane. After correcting for that error, we get Calibrated Airspeed. The airspeed indicator was also set based on "standard atmospheric" conditions - temperature of 15C at sea level, 101.32 kPa pressure at sea level, temperature decrease of 1.98C per 1000 feet of altitude gain, etc. So after Calibrated Airspeed, we have to correct for variation from standard atmospheric conditions - and that's where we get our actual speed through the air, or True Airspeed. Confusing enough?

In almost all cases, true airspeed is higher than indicated airspeed. I'd guess that if the 206 Turbo was doing about 160 knots Indicated, it would be about 178 knots True.

Modern airliners still display Indicated Airspeed on their Primary Flight Displays, but they also use the Air Data Computers to calculate True Airspeed. Jet aircraft also have Machmeters, which is a lot more relevant when flying at high speeds and high altitudes.