Hello All, My girlfriend got a ticket this morning for driving straight through an intersection. The sign states that it is illegal between the hours of 7am-9am. The clock in her car was 9:02am. When she was pulled over, she made a point of the time and mentioned it to the officer. The officer checked his watch and claimed that it was 8:52. Interestingly, he then noticed her watch that said 8:55am. I noticed a posting before about a similar issue but my question is: Is there some type of "Official Time" that is used for police or do we depend on each police officer's watch/car clock individually? Let's face it, time is pretty subjective. Not many people's clocks are exactly the same. Since the police officer's watch is most likely not checked against the world clock and the police officer does not check his battery every morning to be sure that the clock is running on time. (This is not as exact as a radar gun, which on occasions need to be calibrated.) On that note, how do we as citizens know that the police officer is not setting his watch back a couple of minutes to be sure that the ticket will stand in court. It is his word vs. ours. The time was anywhere between it being Legal to questionable to Illegal. Thanks for the help and any advice.
Hello All,
My girlfriend got a ticket this morning for driving straight through an intersection. The sign states that it is illegal between the hours of 7am-9am.
The clock in her car was 9:02am. When she was pulled over, she made a point of the time and mentioned it to the officer. The officer checked his watch and claimed that it was 8:52. Interestingly, he then noticed her watch that said 8:55am.
I noticed a posting before about a similar issue but my question is: Is there some type of "Official Time" that is used for police or do we depend on each police officer's watch/car clock individually?
Let's face it, time is pretty subjective. Not many people's clocks are exactly the same. Since the police officer's watch is most likely not checked against the world clock and the police officer does not check his battery every morning to be sure that the clock is running on time. (This is not as exact as a radar gun, which on occasions need to be calibrated.)
On that note, how do we as citizens know that the police officer is not setting his watch back a couple of minutes to be sure that the ticket will stand in court. It is his word vs. ours. The time was anywhere between it being Legal to questionable to Illegal.
Not sure about setting official time with respect to how accurate the police have to be. But, it's likely that they'll consider the officer's version of events as more reliable. There are several ways of fighting it, though. The timing issue is, I would think, more of a "last resort" defence than anything should it go to trial. There are other options you can use. What city did it occur in? And did the sign say just 7AM-9AM or did it also say MON-FRI?
Not sure about setting official time with respect to how accurate the police have to be. But, it's likely that they'll consider the officer's version of events as more reliable.
There are several ways of fighting it, though. The timing issue is, I would think, more of a "last resort" defence than anything should it go to trial. There are other options you can use. What city did it occur in? And did the sign say just 7AM-9AM or did it also say MON-FRI?
It was in the city of Toronto and it did say Monday-Friday. I have a feeling that you may suggest the "Bilingual Sign" defense that I read in another post? I dont believe that it was in French, if this was what you were getting at. What are the other ways of fighting it, I am curious? I am not hung up on the time thing as a defense as much as just amazed that a Police officer can set his watch back 5 -10 mins and suggest that his/her time is the correct time. In the case of Speeding, if my speedometer reads 60km/h and a police officer claims that I am going 100km/h, he has proof with his radar gun, which has been calibrated. Time on different clocks seems very subjective. There is no way to prove whose TIME is accurate in court, on either side.
It was in the city of Toronto and it did say Monday-Friday.
I have a feeling that you may suggest the "Bilingual Sign" defense that I read in another post? I dont believe that it was in French, if this was what you were getting at.
What are the other ways of fighting it, I am curious?
I am not hung up on the time thing as a defense as much as just amazed that a Police officer can set his watch back 5 -10 mins and suggest that his/her time is the correct time. In the case of Speeding, if my speedometer reads 60km/h and a police officer claims that I am going 100km/h, he has proof with his radar gun, which has been calibrated. Time on different clocks seems very subjective. There is no way to prove whose TIME is accurate in court, on either side.
Correct, bilingual defence applies. Take a photograph of the sign with a time-date stamp on it to provide proof that it is not bilingual. (Be forewarned: Whoever takes the photograph has to be present for the court appearance.) Ticketcombat's website also provides a thorough explanation of how and when to use bilingual defence, if you haven't checked out his site already: http://www.ticketcombat.com/step5/bilingual.php Also other ticket-fighting strategies, tips and information can be found there. One additional way of fighting the ticket has to do with the fact that such signs require a by-law to be put in place. So, send the ticket in requesting the trial option and make a disclosure request as well. Since your girlfriend allegedly disobeyed the sign, they'll have to include a certified copy of the by-law that put the sign in place in the disclosure package. Don't specifically request it, just ask for an "explanation and clarification" of the charge. They'll likely include the officer's notes, possibly a quote of the HTA 144 (9), but, without the by-law, the disclosure is not complete. If that happens (no by-law included), 15 days in advance of the trial, file a motion for a stay based on improper disclosure. At that point, the proceedings are dead. If the attempt to trip the Crown up with the disclosure move fails, the officer still may not show. In Toronto, it's about 50-50 these days, although some have reported higher no-show rates. If the officer doesn't show, the Crown may try to re-schedule the trial (usually they just drop it but they may not). Don't let them get away with that one! All in all, you've got a really good chance of beating the ticket. Best of luck with it.
Correct, bilingual defence applies. Take a photograph of the sign with a time-date stamp on it to provide proof that it is not bilingual. (Be forewarned: Whoever takes the photograph has to be present for the court appearance.) Ticketcombat's website also provides a thorough explanation of how and when to use bilingual defence, if you haven't checked out his site already:
Also other ticket-fighting strategies, tips and information can be found there. One additional way of fighting the ticket has to do with the fact that such signs require a by-law to be put in place. So, send the ticket in requesting the trial option and make a disclosure request as well. Since your girlfriend allegedly disobeyed the sign, they'll have to include a certified copy of the by-law that put the sign in place in the disclosure package. Don't specifically request it, just ask for an "explanation and clarification" of the charge. They'll likely include the officer's notes, possibly a quote of the HTA 144 (9), but, without the by-law, the disclosure is not complete. If that happens (no by-law included), 15 days in advance of the trial, file a motion for a stay based on improper disclosure. At that point, the proceedings are dead.
If the attempt to trip the Crown up with the disclosure move fails, the officer still may not show. In Toronto, it's about 50-50 these days, although some have reported higher no-show rates. If the officer doesn't show, the Crown may try to re-schedule the trial (usually they just drop it but they may not). Don't let them get away with that one!
All in all, you've got a really good chance of beating the ticket. Best of luck with it.
Thank you for the great advice. Just curious if many cases have been won this way, other than the initial one cited before? Have there been many people on this site or others come back successful? Thanks again!
Thank you for the great advice.
Just curious if many cases have been won this way, other than the initial one cited before? Have there been many people on this site or others come back successful?
A lot of people were suggested that approach. If they do not come back with report it might mean that they fought the ticket succesfully, else we'd hear about it.
A lot of people were suggested that approach. If they do not come back with report it might mean that they fought the ticket succesfully, else we'd hear about it.
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"
Hey all, The more I read over the Ticket Combat website, the more confident I am with the whole process. Thank you to those who created such an amazing website. Finally the people have the ability to not be intimidated by the system. That said, I have some questions. My girlfriend is going tomorrow to request a trial. 1) How long until we should request disclosure? I assume wait until the trial date is set, and therefore a prosecutor is assigned to the case? 2) Assuming she attempts to use the Bilingual defense, can she or should she prepare other defenses, ie. the time issue? or will this be seen by the court as grasping at straws? 2b) An idea that I had would be to fight under mens rea. Assuming that she rationally believed that it was after 9am (according to her car clock)? she did not have the knowledge or intent to commit the offense 3) Lastly, Does she need to go through the entire song and dance of a trial and all of the elements of explaining the bilingual issue, or is there some shortcut with supplying the case of R. v Myers as precedent? Should the justice not get this info and automatically toss the case, (unless he/she feels like fighting the appeals court)? Thanks for the help!
Hey all,
The more I read over the Ticket Combat website, the more confident I am with the whole process. Thank you to those who created such an amazing website. Finally the people have the ability to not be intimidated by the system.
That said, I have some questions. My girlfriend is going tomorrow to request a trial.
1) How long until we should request disclosure? I assume wait until the trial date is set, and therefore a prosecutor is assigned to the case?
2) Assuming she attempts to use the Bilingual defense, can she or should she prepare other defenses, ie. the time issue? or will this be seen by the court as grasping at straws?
2b) An idea that I had would be to fight under mens rea. Assuming that she rationally believed that it was after 9am (according to her car clock)? she did not have the knowledge or intent to commit the offense
3) Lastly, Does she need to go through the entire song and dance of a trial and all of the elements of explaining the bilingual issue, or is there some shortcut with supplying the case of R. v Myers as precedent? Should the justice not get this info and automatically toss the case, (unless he/she feels like fighting the appeals court)?
I don't have an answer but just want to share my experience and my thoughts about the similar offences i got 2,3 years ago. 1. I got ticket in toronto for no left turn 7-9Am Mon-Fri against a by-law, fine $18. I did not know about this website nor RFD nor ticketcombat site, of course no disclosure request. I went to court, cop was there, checked in with prosecutor who told me to go sit down. To my surprise, he just dropped the charge after I stated my name in front of JP. 2. Another ticket of the same offence but this one was against HTA, fine $110. I know the stake is higher this time. Again, without disclosure request or any knowlege of fighting ticket, i went to court, (already recognized the cop in court), checked in with the prosecutor, he then asked me what i wanted to do. I hesitated in replying so he told me to go sit down. (The prosecutor came across as a really nice fellow). Watching a series of guilty plea for a lesser charge from the back of the court, i felt intimidated. So when the break came i told the prosecutor that i would plead guilty (shame on me, i did not even ask for a deal). To my surprise when the court resumed he dropped the charge when i was called in front of JP. Looking back i totally didnot understand why my charged were dropped even the cops were there on both cases. was i lucky? After reading ticketombat site about bilingual defence for this type of offence, my thought is that the prosecutor did not want to risk opening a can of worms, a revisit of the Myer's case.
mikeyb wrote:
Hey all,
The more I read over the Ticket Combat website, the more confident I am with the whole process. Thank you to those who created such an amazing website. Finally the people have the ability to not be intimidated by the system.
That said, I have some questions. My girlfriend is going tomorrow to request a trial.
1) How long until we should request disclosure? I assume wait until the trial date is set, and therefore a prosecutor is assigned to the case?
2) Assuming she attempts to use the Bilingual defense, can she or should she prepare other defenses, ie. the time issue? or will this be seen by the court as grasping at straws?
2b) An idea that I had would be to fight under mens rea. Assuming that she rationally believed that it was after 9am (according to her car clock)? she did not have the knowledge or intent to commit the offense
3) Lastly, Does she need to go through the entire song and dance of a trial and all of the elements of explaining the bilingual issue, or is there some shortcut with supplying the case of R. v Myers as precedent? Should the justice not get this info and automatically toss the case, (unless he/she feels like fighting the appeals court)?
Thanks for the help!
I don't have an answer but just want to share my experience and my thoughts about the similar offences i got 2,3 years ago.
1. I got ticket in toronto for no left turn 7-9Am Mon-Fri against a by-law, fine $18.
I did not know about this website nor RFD nor ticketcombat site, of course no disclosure request.
I went to court, cop was there, checked in with prosecutor who told me to go sit down. To my surprise, he just dropped the charge after I stated my name in front of JP.
2. Another ticket of the same offence but this one was against HTA, fine $110. I know the stake is higher this time.
Again, without disclosure request or any knowlege of fighting ticket, i went to court, (already recognized the cop in court), checked in with the prosecutor, he then asked me what i wanted to do. I hesitated in replying so he told me to go sit down. (The prosecutor came across as a really nice fellow).
Watching a series of guilty plea for a lesser charge from the back of the court, i felt intimidated. So when the break came i told the prosecutor that i would plead guilty (shame on me, i did not even ask for a deal).
To my surprise when the court resumed he dropped the charge when i was called in front of JP.
Looking back i totally didnot understand why my charged were dropped even the cops were there on both cases. was i lucky?
After reading ticketombat site about bilingual defence for this type of offence, my thought is that the prosecutor did not want to risk opening a can of worms, a revisit of the Myer's case.
My two cents: You can request disclosure ASAP. The Crown has an obligation to disclose the information to your girlfriend. The sooner, the better, in my view. There are some cases where it is better to wait to request disclosure, but in this case I'd recommend requesting it now. One of the objectives with disclosure is actually not to get it, that way you can have the proceedings quashed. We're now recommending that, if you do not get proper disclosure, apply for a stay at least 20 days in advance of the trial. She can use multiple defences. Bilingual is one of them, and probably should be employed before anything else. Keep the others as a possibility, but the JP would probably view the "time issue" defence with great skepticism. As for the entire song and defence on the bilingual issue, really most JPs should know it by now. Have a full script and notes written out just in case. She should start off in her defence by indicating that the sign she was alleged to have disobeyed is invalid because it is not bilingual and Toronto is a designated bilingual area. The bilingual sign is required by the French Language Services Act and is not compliant with O.Reg 615 for bilingual signage, therefore the charge should not stand, as indicated by the R v Myers case. That should be enough. If not, then launch the full explanation.
My two cents: You can request disclosure ASAP. The Crown has an obligation to disclose the information to your girlfriend. The sooner, the better, in my view. There are some cases where it is better to wait to request disclosure, but in this case I'd recommend requesting it now. One of the objectives with disclosure is actually not to get it, that way you can have the proceedings quashed. We're now recommending that, if you do not get proper disclosure, apply for a stay at least 20 days in advance of the trial.
She can use multiple defences. Bilingual is one of them, and probably should be employed before anything else. Keep the others as a possibility, but the JP would probably view the "time issue" defence with great skepticism.
As for the entire song and defence on the bilingual issue, really most JPs should know it by now. Have a full script and notes written out just in case. She should start off in her defence by indicating that the sign she was alleged to have disobeyed is invalid because it is not bilingual and Toronto is a designated bilingual area. The bilingual sign is required by the French Language Services Act and is not compliant with O.Reg 615 for bilingual signage, therefore the charge should not stand, as indicated by the R v Myers case. That should be enough. If not, then launch the full explanation.
You might want to send the disclosure request by registered mail. I did this recently and it took a lot off my mind. Now I don't have to worry about if they got it or not. No surprises for me later on.
You might want to send the disclosure request by registered mail. I did this recently and it took a lot off my mind. Now I don't have to worry about if they got it or not. No surprises for me later on.
Update: My girlfriend sent in her disclosure request via Fax 3 weeks ago, the Diary date is today. How long should she wait before sending a second request? Should she send the next request via registered mail for more proof that they received it, or is it better to fax and hope that it gets lost in a pile of papers? Should this request have some type of identification that it is a second request, or simply send the same request as before. Assuming that she does not receive anything from this second request, what next? Thank You, p.s: there has not been a trial date set yet... Is this normal? How long should we expect to receive a court date?
Update:
My girlfriend sent in her disclosure request via Fax 3 weeks ago, the Diary date is today. How long should she wait before sending a second request?
Should she send the next request via registered mail for more proof that they received it, or is it better to fax and hope that it gets lost in a pile of papers?
Should this request have some type of identification that it is a second request, or simply send the same request as before.
Assuming that she does not receive anything from this second request, what next?
Thank You,
p.s: there has not been a trial date set yet... Is this normal? How long should we expect to receive a court date?
I would suggest waiting for the trial date to arrive. Do not hurry the proceedings in any way, keep your options open for 11B. File a 2-nd request with registered mail after you receive the trial date, indicate that this is a 2-nd request, can't hurt you. Trial date should have been set sooner, but this works in her favour anyway. Although it might be a good idea to call the courthouse and ask about the trial date.
I would suggest waiting for the trial date to arrive. Do not hurry the proceedings in any way, keep your options open for 11B. File a 2-nd request with registered mail after you receive the trial date, indicate that this is a 2-nd request, can't hurt you. Trial date should have been set sooner, but this works in her favour anyway.
Although it might be a good idea to call the courthouse and ask about the trial date.
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"
Another Update: Still no word from the court about a trial date. My girlfriend called the court today to ask if there has been a date set and the notice in the mail may have been lost? The recording tells her that due to the Toronto CUPE strike, the phone and mail services are unavailable. Anyone who has a court date set, will proceed as normal, I assume suggesting that no NEW court dates will be scheduled? So either hers has not been scheduled due to the strike, or is it possible that it has been scheduled before the strike but due to the strike, they have not sent any info out to her? They offer an email address to contact but obviously she doesnt want to rush them into scheduling a date.. This strike may allow enough of a backlog to get the tickets tossed.. Any suggestions on what to do... Thanks!
Although it might be a good idea to call the courthouse and ask about the trial date.
Another Update:
Still no word from the court about a trial date. My girlfriend called the court today to ask if there has been a date set and the notice in the mail may have been lost?
The recording tells her that due to the Toronto CUPE strike, the phone and mail services are unavailable. Anyone who has a court date set, will proceed as normal, I assume suggesting that no NEW court dates will be scheduled? So either hers has not been scheduled due to the strike, or is it possible that it has been scheduled before the strike but due to the strike, they have not sent any info out to her?
They offer an email address to contact but obviously she doesnt want to rush them into scheduling a date.. This strike may allow enough of a backlog to get the tickets tossed..
Hello All, Finally, My girlfriend received a notice in the mail about her court date. It is set for March 1st. Which would be 10 or 11 months from the date of the offense. No word about any disclosure. We sent the disclosure request via fax many months ago. I am planning on re-sending the request via registered mail tomorrow. I assume postponing the trial by the 2 months for reason of no-disclosure given will allow her to get off based on the time issue? Thanks all for the help. mikey b
Hello All,
Finally, My girlfriend received a notice in the mail about her court date. It is set for March 1st. Which would be 10 or 11 months from the date of the offense.
No word about any disclosure. We sent the disclosure request via fax many months ago. I am planning on re-sending the request via registered mail tomorrow.
I assume postponing the trial by the 2 months for reason of no-disclosure given will allow her to get off based on the time issue?
Actually, 10 months should be able to qualify you for the 11B without even referring to the disclosure. However, not having a disclosure lets you argue for stay based on "non-disclosure". The prosecutor will try to reschedule the date, and then you can double-wham him with the 11B, AND the fact that you have to come back to court, which costs you money in lost workdays.
Actually, 10 months should be able to qualify you for the 11B without even referring to the disclosure. However, not having a disclosure lets you argue for stay based on "non-disclosure". The prosecutor will try to reschedule the date, and then you can double-wham him with the 11B, AND the fact that you have to come back to court, which costs you money in lost workdays.
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"
Hello again, It has been a long wait but my girlfriend's trial date is coming up in March. We have still not received any disclosure at this point. She had faxed her first request a while ago, then after some time she had sent another request via registered mail (was received and signed for). In a previous post, someone suggested we file papers a certain amount of time before the trial which by my calculations will be early February. Can you please let me know the steps I need to take and the forms that I need to get in order to have the charges stayed/dropped successfully. Thanks,
Hello again,
It has been a long wait but my girlfriend's trial date is coming up in March. We have still not received any disclosure at this point. She had faxed her first request a while ago, then after some time she had sent another request via registered mail (was received and signed for).
In a previous post, someone suggested we file papers a certain amount of time before the trial which by my calculations will be early February.
Can you please let me know the steps I need to take and the forms that I need to get in order to have the charges stayed/dropped successfully.
This of course assuming that the charged person's mother language was different than the language on the sign, being either English or French and that she/he was able to prove what her mother language was and that she actually couldn't understand the language on the sign. This would be impossible to prove if she were able to read the charge on her ticket. Here's another suggestion---- have her pay the fine and admit to breaking a traffic law, the actuality being that that was exactly the circumstance. The police service does not provide a "car clock setting" service--- that duty is up to the car driver.
mikeyb wrote:
It was in the city of Toronto and it did say Monday-Friday.
I have a feeling that you may suggest the "Bilingual Sign" defense that I read in another post? I dont believe that it was in French, if this was what you were getting at.
What are the other ways of fighting it, I am curious?
I am not hung up on the time thing as a defense as much as just amazed that a Police officer can set his watch back 5 -10 mins and suggest that his/her time is the correct time. In the case of Speeding, if my speedometer reads 60km/h and a police officer claims that I am going 100km/h, he has proof with his radar gun, which has been calibrated. Time on different clocks seems very subjective. There is no way to prove whose TIME is accurate in court, on either side.
This of course assuming that the charged person's mother language was different than the language on the sign, being either English or French and that she/he was able to prove what her mother language was and that she actually couldn't understand the language on the sign. This would be impossible to prove if she were able to read the charge on her ticket.
Here's another suggestion---- have her pay the fine and admit to breaking a traffic law, the actuality being that that was exactly the circumstance. The police service does not provide a "car clock setting" service--- that duty is up to the car driver.
Visit the courthouse and pick up a "4F, Notice of Constitutional Question" form. This website has a good primer on how to file the paperwork: http://www.ticketcombat.com/step4/works.php It also explains the 11B (right to be tried in a reasonable amount of time) issue, and other Charter rights. You will have to do some paperwork, but if two disclosure attempts were made and no reply was received from the Crown, you should be able to get the stay.
mikeyb wrote:
Can you please let me know the steps I need to take and the forms that I need to get in order to have the charges stayed/dropped successfully.
Visit the courthouse and pick up a "4F, Notice of Constitutional Question" form. This website has a good primer on how to file the paperwork:
It also explains the 11B (right to be tried in a reasonable amount of time) issue, and other Charter rights. You will have to do some paperwork, but if two disclosure attempts were made and no reply was received from the Crown, you should be able to get the stay.
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
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Thanks R.I Do I need to pick up/drop off the paperwork from the court where the trial will be held, or any Provincial courthouse? Seems like a LOT of work.. Would anyone suggest paying someone to do the running around and making sure all of the paperwork is done and received properly?
Thanks R.I
Do I need to pick up/drop off the paperwork from the court where the trial will be held, or any Provincial courthouse?
Seems like a LOT of work.. Would anyone suggest paying someone to do the running around and making sure all of the paperwork is done and received properly?
The 4F (Notice of Constitutional Question) form can be picked up at any courthouse... or you can download an editable form here: http://www.ontariocourtforms.on.ca/form ... F_0707.doc I would suggest that you look at ticketcombat's website for instructions on how to complete it. http://www.ticketcombat.com/step4/paperwork.php You have to make sure to file one of the notices with the JP and the Crown Prosecutor at the courthouse where the trial will be held - plus you must serve notice on the Attorneys-General of Canada and Ontario, etc. :shock: It's actually not as hard as it sounds. It just involves a lot of running around the city. That said... Yes. If you want to make sure that it is done properly, hiring a paralegal would be a good idea.
mikeyb wrote:
Do I need to pick up/drop off the paperwork from the court where the trial will be held, or any Provincial courthouse?
The 4F (Notice of Constitutional Question) form can be picked up at any courthouse... or you can download an editable form here:
You have to make sure to file one of the notices with the JP and the Crown Prosecutor at the courthouse where the trial will be held - plus you must serve notice on the Attorneys-General of Canada and Ontario, etc. It's actually not as hard as it sounds. It just involves a lot of running around the city. That said...
mikeyb wrote:
Would anyone suggest paying someone to do the running around and making sure all of the paperwork is done and received properly?
Yes. If you want to make sure that it is done properly, hiring a paralegal would be a good idea.
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
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Hey Everyone, I just realized an issue with my case.. Due to the stupid "family day" holiday, I miscalculated the 15 days notice for the 11b and I am off by one day. (Trial Date is March 1st) My plan was to have it submitted Monday but now after some calculations, with Family day, it would have been needed to be in today (which is obviously too late) Am I screwed? What is going to happen? Is there ANY chance to salvage this? Is there any way to re-schedule the trial to give us the extra days? Thanks for the replies ASAP
Hey Everyone,
I just realized an issue with my case.. Due to the stupid "family day" holiday, I miscalculated the 15 days notice for the 11b and I am off by one day. (Trial Date is March 1st) My plan was to have it submitted Monday but now after some calculations, with Family day, it would have been needed to be in today (which is obviously too late)
Am I screwed? What is going to happen? Is there ANY chance to salvage this? Is there any way to re-schedule the trial to give us the extra days?
Thanks for the help. Is it possible for her to claim that there is a conflict in the date or time and needs to move the trial to later. And that would give her more time to file the papers? Any help is appreciated..
racer wrote:
I would still apply for it, one day late or not, and see what happens.
Thanks for the help. Is it possible for her to claim that there is a conflict in the date or time and needs to move the trial to later. And that would give her more time to file the papers?
If you are moving the trial to a later day by yourself, you are basically waving your right to a speedy trial, so that is not a good idea. If the prosecution causes the delay, that does not count against you. I think that a day late with the holiday being the reason for lateness should not disqualify your 11B application.
If you are moving the trial to a later day by yourself, you are basically waving your right to a speedy trial, so that is not a good idea. If the prosecution causes the delay, that does not count against you. I think that a day late with the holiday being the reason for lateness should not disqualify your 11B application.
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"
Hey All, Thanks to all those for their help thus far. My girlfriend and I went in today and with the help of the Ticket Combat website we served the prosecution and the clerk with the paperwork for an 11B. Now it is just the waiting game and hope all of the hard work pays off in the end.. Keep up the great work helping people defend themselves against the maze that we call the justice system.
Hey All,
Thanks to all those for their help thus far. My girlfriend and I went in today and with the help of the Ticket Combat website we served the prosecution and the clerk with the paperwork for an 11B.
Now it is just the waiting game and hope all of the hard work pays off in the end.. Keep up the great work helping people defend themselves against the maze that we call the justice system.
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Hello everyone I'm not sure if this is the right place to put it but I need some answers as I'm very scared and don't know what to do. Recently if got a Novice Driver B.A.C Above zero I am 23 years old and I'm pretty due to get my G class license in a couple of weeks. I understand that I was wrong for drinking a beer and half and driving with a G2 Class license.
I have been reading Fight Your Traffic Ticket site and have a couple of comments.
I was issued two tickets at the same time, one for invalid left turn (Hwy 7 in Markham and Swansea). Another one, because the officer did not like my copy of registration documents.
I am planning to challenge it in the court. Actually I already submitted the request.
Hi, I have a court date Oct. 21,08 for parking in the fire route of my friends building. How can i get this $100 fine reduced or eliminated? only argument i really have is that visitor parking was full and i went around a few times. I wasn't there for long either.
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I just got a ticket for going right on red fail to stop(114[18])$180. No pedestrians were in the way. I'm not a unsafe driver, so I'm…
My mom received a ticket under OHTA 159(1). She was turning left at an intersection. The light was green and there were no cars in front of her. She entered the intersection and waited for incoming traffic to clear so that she could complete the turn. As she waited, a fire truck with its sirens on was driving from the street onto which she was turning (perpendicular). He honked at her (presumably…
Basically, I was selling the car and I informed the buyer that the car was in not insured at the time.
He bought dealer plates from his work place and assured me that it was fine. We got pulled over by OPP and they asked for our information.
I explained that it was my car and the test driver was working at a dealership with his plates that has insurance, they told us that the plates don't apply
The other day I was given a ticket for speeding 119 in a 90, on highway 17 near Marathon, ON (Speeding ticket capital of the universe, BTW). The officer claims to have "clocked" me using the vehicle mounted radar at 121 KMH and dropped it (presumably to lower fine and demerits).
I was not going that fast, but there was a larger, and faster moving, vehicle behind me, gaining fast (I was driving a…
Location: 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd, Kitchener/ Cambridge.
I was going on 401. When I was approaching the location mentioned at the topic, I tried to over take a truck in front of me, and realized a car tailgating me right after I went out to the fast lane. At first I thought it was some other fast drivers so I just thought that I would go back into the middle…
Hey, i recently got a ticket for failing to stop a red light (Section 114(18)).
I was travelling south, the cop was travelling north. He was on the other side of the intersection then me, my light turned yellow and i tried running it but it turned red before i could cross the line. I was going too fast to be able to stomp the break so i had to run it through.
I'm just curious how long will a Driving while suspended affect my insurance rates? Initially when I got my conviction with DWS my rates went from 180 a month to 390, since then I've had no tickets or even been pulled over and my rates have gone down to 240 since then. I believe it will be 3 years in Sept 2017. Will the DWS affect my insurance for 6 years because thats how long it stays on my…
It's winter, and there's been a cold snap. The highway you are traveling on is wet, but not slippery. You take your exit, but the salt trucks haven't been on this ramp, and despite slowing down to below the recommended speed, your car slips on some black ice, and you find the car rotating clockwise. The car rotates 180 degrees, and slides backwards off the ramp…
So about a month ago I received a stunt/racing charge for going 140 in an 80 zone. I decided to go with a paralegal, and was notified by the paralegal that on the summon's it states to go to a criminal court. The paralegal was confused as this should be at a Provincial court. They said that since I do not have any criminal charges, that the officer wrote the wrong address down including…
I got a careless driving ticket and I was involved in quite a serious accident. I was driving at about 60 km/h arriving towards a stop sign. Unfortunately when I tried to stop, my shoes were sliding off from my foot as they did not have any strap and were perhaps oversized and slippery. I could not stop at the sign and hit a van that had the right of way. Both vehicles were badly damaged and…
In some cases, it takes too long for the Crown to bring a charge against a defendant to trial. If your charge has taken too long to come to trial, you can stop the proceedings by "filing an 11B." This is filing paperwork to bring a motion at your trial, where you essentially say, "my rights to a speedy trial have been violated, and I want the case stopped." It is called an 11B because section…
Hi I'm new to this forum but I hope I'm bringing you all good news.
I recently wrote a book short titled ABUSE OF POWER
This book is all about how the Ontario government broke the law to enact the new street racing legislation.
To start with the denial of the right to remain innocent until proven guilty was enacted without due process under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. How it wasn't done…
I have been caught 3 times driving while suspended for unpaid fines . I have still not paid the fines and did not go to the first 2 court dates. When I was pulled over the second time the police officer said he would put down as it was my first time . But I had to work as I just started a new job. I called in to have the date changed but they said it was to late . So I did not go to court .…
Today I received a hand held device ticket on Gardiner. I was pulled over by the police officer and told i was using my cell phone while driving but i never even touched my cell phone. He told me my hand was not on steering. I am sure i didn't touch the phone. The phone was on the right passenger seat connected to my car. I was using mobile gps which was on dashboard display and never touched…
As the title states, I received a ticket for failing to proceed at a green light. I have gained a lot of knowledge from this site for various things, however even a google search of this ticket doesn't seem to pull up much info. Someone else had made a post about this back in 2009 but my story is quite different.
So I shall explain...
On the night of February 23/2013 I had decided to be the…
Need some advice on reaching a plea deal with the prosecutor and how to go about talking to the crown. I'm not here to be lectured ect. I'm aware I made a mistake, and need advice on fixing it. So kindly keep comments about my impulsive decision to yourself.
Backstory:
I'm 19 with a g2 license. Was going home late at night and decided to go down a road that I knew was smooth with zero traffic so I…
I recently got pulled over and issued a ticket for following too closely and am looking to challenge the charges. However, I will be at school by the trial date. This is significant because I received the ticket in Ottawa (where my family lives), but attend school in Waterloo (almost 6 hours away). I will also be starting co-op this summer and as such likely won't be returning home in order to…
I was charged with careless driving for a one-vehicle accident, and would like to know how to go about pleading not guilty. I was driving on a rural road at night in an 80 kmh zone. I was driving up a hill. At the top of the hill is a 90 degree turn sign (no stop sign, no kmh posted). I hit the brakes too late, and because the road goes downhill and there's a lot of gravel, skidded one or two…
Not sure the right place for this so if it needs to be moved please do so.
I was stopped today for 15 over the speed limit, I gave all the documents to the officer and he said he could not accept a photocopy of my ownership only the original I had a photo copy front and back and I had my plate sticker number with it.
he gave me a ticket for HWY ACT Section 7(5)(a) he said only the original would…
Tonight, I was pulled over for apparently doing 132km in an 80km zone. Although I'd only caught myself doing 120km(yes, still over, I'm aware). After about 30 min of sitting on the side of the road, the officer came over and kindly decided not to take away my license or impound the car on the spot. I did not recieve any fines. He did, however, give me a court date in August. Never mentioning…
I have been a frequent visitor of this site for a while now but I just made an account today to ask a question that I have gotten no real clear cut answer on in the past.
What I'm talking about here is H.I.D. (High Intensity Discharge) Headlight Conversion Kits. For those of you who don't know what they are all about you can just google it and you will receive more than enough…
It's actually not as hard as it sounds. It just involves a lot of running around the city. That said...
