121 km/h in a posted 80 km/h - Disclosure attached
Just wondering if I can get some help on what to do for this ticket. I have a court date on August 17th. I simply cannot afford this. I haven't had an offence in years, and pay attention to my speeds now. One night when I was too focused on the road and not the speedometer, I get pulled over. What do you guys think is the best option?
Along with the notes, I was also provided 3 pages of the user manual for the radar gun.
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What was volume of traffic? Obviously it was dark but was it raining ( I can't make out the RDS conditions)?
Basically the officer is stating he is sure he wasn't off by 0.9m at a distance of 300m aiming at a car's registration plates going, he claims, 121 km/hr, with headlights on probably blinding him to a degree. As well, he didn't sweep the lidar gun while trying to target you way off in the distance in the dark. Okay.
His requalification is 3 years old at time of ticket (I am having trouble seeing the date.) Obviously training isn't taken seriously. I remember I read in Alberta it needs to be done once a year, and even though in Ontario the standards arent explicitly defined that shouldn't mean they are significantly less. I seriously doubt he read the manual Feb 2016 on his own. Find out how many pages it is and ask him if he read the whole manual with the follow-up being approximately how many pages is it?
No, 0.9m is the width of the laser beam at a distance of 300m. Width of LIDAR beam is approximately one metre wide at 300 metres, compared to the registration plate width of 30 cm, ensuring that little of the signal is scattered to following vehicles. Aiming at front middle of vehicle will suffice.Speedtaxed wrote:The officer was approximately 300 meters away based on my calculations using beam width of .9m and lidar gun specs.
What was volume of traffic? Obviously it was dark but was it raining ( I can't make out the RDS conditions)?
Basically the officer is stating he is sure he wasn't off by 0.9m at a distance of 300m aiming at a car's registration plates going, he claims, 121 km/hr, with headlights on probably blinding him to a degree. As well, he didn't sweep the lidar gun while trying to target you way off in the distance in the dark. Okay.
His requalification is 3 years old at time of ticket (I am having trouble seeing the date.) Obviously training isn't taken seriously. I remember I read in Alberta it needs to be done once a year, and even though in Ontario the standards arent explicitly defined that shouldn't mean they are significantly less. I seriously doubt he read the manual Feb 2016 on his own. Find out how many pages it is and ask him if he read the whole manual with the follow-up being approximately how many pages is it?
Notes (I believe) indicate he is an operator/trainer , re-qualification only required every 5 years for a trainer.
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Beam width is nOT the officer's friend. I have never operated a radar/lidar gun and think speed measuring devices should only be used to measure pitch speeds and baseball exit velocities. With that said, I would imagine this particularly unit calculates the distance of the target by bounce back time and then gives the approximate beam width based on the distance calculation which the officer wrote down in the notes under that section.
The beam width or beam divergence is measured in milliradians or mrads and is around 3 mrads for most Lidar units which at 300meters distance would be about 0.9 meters in diameter.
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Looking at the disclosure, I can not read what it says the distance is...
H/L 121 @ 2??
Can anybody else dechiper this?
Anyways it does not look like the distance is 300m in which case the officers beam width calculation is incorrect, so there is possibility to attack his understanding of unit based on that.
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Really not sure how calculation was made or if it was taken but he really can't say what he could've hit in a 0.9 m radius circle 300 meters away in the dark. Yeah if it contradicts distance reading you go to town on his training.
Can anyone really target a moving object 300 meters away in the dark without a stand or night vision equipment and say for sure they hit their intended target?
At those distances you have a very likely possibility of sweep errors which means the readings are bouncing off different parts of the vehicle because you can not hold it to one specific spot on the vehicle which means the speed calculation will not be correct.
I am not a lawyer and I am not a paralegal and I do not give legal advice.
All statements made are my opinion only.
ShrekTek
All statements made are my opinion only.
ShrekTek
I am not a lawyer and I am not a paralegal and I do not give legal advice.
All statements made are my opinion only.
ShrekTek
All statements made are my opinion only.
ShrekTek
I found copy of Laser Atlanta manual (2003 version) and it makes no mention of magnified sight in that manual. Anyways, if you have used it then I assume you are correct about the sight.
However would be a good question to ask the officer "Is the sight magnified?"
I am not a lawyer and I am not a paralegal and I do not give legal advice.
All statements made are my opinion only.
ShrekTek
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ShrekTek
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