Hi, new at this and could use all the help and guidance.. My brother just got in an accident where he swerved to avoid hitting a squirrel and got in an accident. Luckily, no one was hurt as he did not hit another party so it was just our car (old car and it will be a write off). The cop issued a careless driving ticket - notice of appearance. I read a similiar thread about this but not sure if it applies the same as in this case, there was damage to the city's property. Is this where we should definitely fight the ticket? Careless seems a bit extreme since no other party was involved... Has anyone tried Redline? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Hi, new at this and could use all the help and guidance..
My brother just got in an accident where he swerved to avoid hitting a squirrel and got in an accident. Luckily, no one was hurt as he did not hit another party so it was just our car (old car and it will be a write off). The cop issued a careless driving ticket - notice of appearance. I read a similiar thread about this but not sure if it applies the same as in this case, there was damage to the city's property. Is this where we should definitely fight the ticket? Careless seems a bit extreme since no other party was involved...
Has anyone tried Redline?
Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Careless may be overkill, but it depends on the circumstances surrounding the incident. That being said, often careless driving tickets are reduced to something less in the case of single vehicle accidents (like fail to drive in marked lane, or something like that). In my opinion, the damage to property shouldn't have too much of an impact on the charge that was laid or whether you should fight it.
Careless may be overkill, but it depends on the circumstances surrounding the incident. That being said, often careless driving tickets are reduced to something less in the case of single vehicle accidents (like fail to drive in marked lane, or something like that). In my opinion, the damage to property shouldn't have too much of an impact on the charge that was laid or whether you should fight it.
. Hi ltran_1212: THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE, JUST AN OPINION The incident as you describe it is certainly not careless driving, unless there were other factors present such as alcohol, impairment, cell phones etc. Request disclosure and share it in this forum. You will get a lot of support. Cheers, .
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Hi ltran_1212:
THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE, JUST AN OPINION
ltran_1202 wrote:
...My brother just got in an accident where he swerved to avoid hitting a squirrel and got in an accident.
The cop issued a careless driving ticket - notice of appearance. ... there was damage to the city's property. Is this where we should definitely fight the ticket?
The incident as you describe it is certainly not careless driving, unless there were other factors present such as alcohol, impairment, cell phones etc.
Request disclosure and share it in this forum. You will get a lot of support.
Single motor vehicle collisions have always been interesting. What has to be viewed here is your conduct. Was it reasonable? Would a reasonable and prudent person done the same? Good trial matter in my opinion.
Single motor vehicle collisions have always been interesting. What has to be viewed here is your conduct. Was it reasonable? Would a reasonable and prudent person done the same?
Absolutely...I saw a whole group of cars swerve off the road yesterday, go over a sidewalk, across a lawn to miss a squirrel :roll: Now, to be a little more serious, I have spoken to insurance about this and if it is a "swerve to avoid " rather than a "strike of an animal" the insurance will be going up.
What has to be viewed here is your conduct. Was it reasonable? Would a reasonable and prudent person done the same?
Absolutely...I saw a whole group of cars swerve off the road yesterday, go over a sidewalk, across a lawn to miss a squirrel
Now, to be a little more serious, I have spoken to insurance about this and if it is a "swerve to avoid " rather than a "strike of an animal" the insurance will be going up.
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
Absolutely...I saw a whole group of cars swerve off the road yesterday, go over a sidewalk, across a lawn to miss a squirrel :roll: Now, to be a little more serious, I have spoken to insurance about this and if it is a "swerve to avoid " rather than a "strike of an animal" the insurance will be going up. The main thing is if whatever you hit is in the air(ie. flying or falling).(no guilt) If the squirrel was falling the avoidance was ok. Cheers Viper1
hwybear wrote:
What has to be viewed here is your conduct. Was it reasonable? Would a reasonable and prudent person done the same?
Absolutely...I saw a whole group of cars swerve off the road yesterday, go over a sidewalk, across a lawn to miss a squirrel
Now, to be a little more serious, I have spoken to insurance about this and if it is a "swerve to avoid " rather than a "strike of an animal" the insurance will be going up.
The main thing is if whatever you hit is in the air(ie. flying or falling).(no guilt)
If the squirrel was falling the avoidance was ok.
Cheers
Viper1
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My wife used to work for a broker, and after hearing some strange stories I learned the same thing. Any time an animal crosses in front of you, slow down as much as possible and STAY IN YOUR LANE. If you leave the roadway and hit anything it is YOUR fault.
hwybear wrote:
I have spoken to insurance about this and if it is a "swerve to avoid " rather than a "strike of an animal" the insurance will be going up.
My wife used to work for a broker, and after hearing some strange stories I learned the same thing. Any time an animal crosses in front of you, slow down as much as possible and STAY IN YOUR LANE. If you leave the roadway and hit anything it is YOUR fault.
It's not what you know, it's what you can prove - Alonzo Harris (Denzel Washington) in Training Day
there are several cases where the courts have thrown out the careless driving charge for not being the correct charge. If what you posted is the truth and complete story then fight this and consider not pleading to a lessor charge. In one case in Toronto the Appeal court overturned a conviction for careless. It ruled that careless is not a charge for times where nothing else fits. Drivers are not expected to drive perfectly and momentary laspses of attention are permitted. You have to have done something that warrants the penalty, which includes a possibility of jail. Because jail is an option to the court, they have made it harder to convict. Your insurance is paying for the damages not matter what happens in court.
there are several cases where the courts have thrown out the careless driving charge for not being the correct charge. If what you posted is the truth and complete story then fight this and consider not pleading to a lessor charge. In one case in Toronto the Appeal court overturned a conviction for careless. It ruled that careless is not a charge for times where nothing else fits. Drivers are not expected to drive perfectly and momentary laspses of attention are permitted. You have to have done something that warrants the penalty, which includes a possibility of jail. Because jail is an option to the court, they have made it harder to convict.
Your insurance is paying for the damages not matter what happens in court.
That works if it's a small animal... not so much for a moose, bison, elk, etc.
beleafer81 wrote:
Any time an animal crosses in front of you, slow down as much as possible and STAY IN YOUR LANE.
That works if it's a small animal... not so much for a moose, bison, elk, etc.
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
http://www.OntarioTicket.com OR http://www.OHTA.ca
That works if it's a small animal... not so much for a moose, bison, elk, etc. Thats very true. In the area I live in there are deers that randomly cross streets and you dont want to hit them head on, because they will/can crush your windshield and even kill you.
Radar Identified wrote:
beleafer81 wrote:
Any time an animal crosses in front of you, slow down as much as possible and STAY IN YOUR LANE.
That works if it's a small animal... not so much for a moose, bison, elk, etc.
Thats very true. In the area I live in there are deers that randomly cross streets and you dont want to hit them head on, because they will/can crush your windshield and even kill you.
That works if it's a small animal... not so much for a moose, bison, elk, etc. I agree with that. I guess an insurance hike and being alive is better than a comprehensive claim and being in intensive care clinging to life. But the OP was swerving for a squirel. Around here the biggest animal is deer, and I have never seen any big bucks on the road. I'll take my chances I will stop in time with a doe or juvanile deer. Also, Just wondering where in Ontario do you find wild Bison roaming?
Radar Identified wrote:
beleafer81 wrote:
Any time an animal crosses in front of you, slow down as much as possible and STAY IN YOUR LANE.
That works if it's a small animal... not so much for a moose, bison, elk, etc.
I agree with that. I guess an insurance hike and being alive is better than a comprehensive claim and being in intensive care clinging to life. But the OP was swerving for a squirel.
Around here the biggest animal is deer, and I have never seen any big bucks on the road. I'll take my chances I will stop in time with a doe or juvanile deer.
Also, Just wondering where in Ontario do you find wild Bison roaming?
It's not what you know, it's what you can prove - Alonzo Harris (Denzel Washington) in Training Day
Swerving for a squirrel is definitely not a good idea. It may be what we are driven to do by instinct, but it's better to try to stop straight ahead than swerve in that case - no argument from me. You won't, however, you will find black bears, moose, and very large deer. Saw all kinds of wildlife around Thunder Bay, including all of the above. And, it goes without saying, many of us will also drive outside Ontario where we could encounter bison. (Prairies, Plains States...)
Swerving for a squirrel is definitely not a good idea. It may be what we are driven to do by instinct, but it's better to try to stop straight ahead than swerve in that case - no argument from me.
beleafer81 wrote:
Also, Just wondering where in Ontario do you find wild Bison roaming?
You won't, however, you will find black bears, moose, and very large deer. Saw all kinds of wildlife around Thunder Bay, including all of the above. And, it goes without saying, many of us will also drive outside Ontario where we could encounter bison. (Prairies, Plains States...)
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
http://www.OntarioTicket.com OR http://www.OHTA.ca
You won't, however, you will find black bears, moose, and very large deer. Saw all kinds of wildlife around Thunder Bay, including all of the above. And, it goes without saying, many of us will also drive outside Ontario where we could encounter bison. (Prairies, Plains States...) ELK are south of Sudbury along Hwy 69 in vicinity of Hwy 537-Hwy 637
Radar Identified wrote:
beleafer81 wrote:
Also, Just wondering where in Ontario do you find wild Bison roaming?
You won't, however, you will find black bears, moose, and very large deer. Saw all kinds of wildlife around Thunder Bay, including all of the above. And, it goes without saying, many of us will also drive outside Ontario where we could encounter bison. (Prairies, Plains States...)
ELK are south of Sudbury along Hwy 69 in vicinity of Hwy 537-Hwy 637
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
I saw a deer in a park near Bayview and Steeles in Toronto a couple of months ago... large one, too. But, that pales in comparison to the police chasing a moose through the streets of Ottawa about 10 years ago... also a black bear near the Ottawa Airport about eight years ago.
I saw a deer in a park near Bayview and Steeles in Toronto a couple of months ago... large one, too.
But, that pales in comparison to the police chasing a moose through the streets of Ottawa about 10 years ago... also a black bear near the Ottawa Airport about eight years ago.
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
http://www.OntarioTicket.com OR http://www.OHTA.ca
The Ottawa police had two incidents of chacing deer (and killing them) in the city this spring. Also just down the road in Rockland the same thing. For sure there are lots of deer here in Ottawa, but usually juvaniles or doe's. I wont leave the roadway for that, but my car does stop real fast.
The Ottawa police had two incidents of chacing deer (and killing them) in the city this spring. Also just down the road in Rockland the same thing. For sure there are lots of deer here in Ottawa, but usually juvaniles or doe's. I wont leave the roadway for that, but my car does stop real fast.
It's not what you know, it's what you can prove - Alonzo Harris (Denzel Washington) in Training Day
Small deer are one thing. The one I saw in Toronto was about the size of an elk. :shock:
Small deer are one thing. The one I saw in Toronto was about the size of an elk.
* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
http://www.OntarioTicket.com OR http://www.OHTA.ca
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