No right turn during certain times
Now for a charge of disobeying a sign, the reason I even made the turn was because the officer was pulling cars over on the side of the road and there was a huge traffic mess I didn't even have a choice to go left without causing an accident, heck I thought he was directing traffic right for whatever reason....(what officer stands outside in the middle of the street to give tickets)
can I base a defence around this? Its just so unreal
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manwithaplan
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Your post doesn't make sense, first you state the officer is there pulling cars over, then claim he's handing out tickets in the middle of the street? Then you saw the officer motioning for cars to pull over and thought he was waving you through the turn? Then you were caught in the intersection and had nowhere to go except for the illegal turn even though you saw the officer there?
Sounds to me like you weren't paying attention and did something dumb, which isn't much of a defence in court, sorry bro.
Approaching Red Light around 3:35PM
Noticed unusual heavy traffic in the area near the light
Cars/Trucks making left turns from right lane, almost got into an accident
Notice an officer about 25 metres to the right waving cars over to the side of the road, with a police car on the shoulder
there were about 10-15 cars pulled over at once causing traffic chaos in the area
I make the right turn because it was unsafe to change into left lane and there is a cop waving cars over to the side of the road (ride program?) (criminal investigation?) (directing traffic?)
There were two officers, one in the car writing tickets the other one outside pulling cars over (never in my life have I seen a cop in the middle of the road to write tickets unless its ride program)
Officer comes to window, I explain I was taking this route for one week straight and I didn't notice the sign, and thought he was directing traffic, or something happened in the area. officer states sign was placed the prior day, no warning, writes ticket.
I go back near my trial date in August to take pictures, the sign isn't even there anymore and I had it adjourned until late Jan 2012.
Now this entire thing seems a little suspect, the sign is now gone, a cop in the middle of the road, another cop in the car writing many tickets, about 10-15 cars pulled over at once, there were other cars making right turns that got off. It sounds so unorganized, unlike something I have ever seen...it's like they put the sign up just to write tickets and then take it down.
Any advice on what I can argue? hope this is clear
I doubt they would let it get to the court.gpolitop wrote:Let me rephrase in point form.
Approaching Red Light around 3:35PM
Noticed unusual heavy traffic in the area near the light
Cars/Trucks making left turns from right lane, almost got into an accident
Notice an officer about 25 metres to the right waving cars over to the side of the road, with a police car on the shoulder
there were about 10-15 cars pulled over at once causing traffic chaos in the area
I make the right turn because it was unsafe to change into left lane and there is a cop waving cars over to the side of the road (ride program?) (criminal investigation?) (directing traffic?)
There were two officers, one in the car writing tickets the other one outside pulling cars over (never in my life have I seen a cop in the middle of the road to write tickets unless its ride program)
Officer comes to window, I explain I was taking this route for one week straight and I didn't notice the sign, and thought he was directing traffic, or something happened in the area. officer states sign was placed the prior day, no warning, writes ticket.
I go back near my trial date in August to take pictures, the sign isn't even there anymore and I had it adjourned until late Jan 2012.
Now this entire thing seems a little suspect, the sign is now gone, a cop in the middle of the road, another cop in the car writing many tickets, about 10-15 cars pulled over at once, there were other cars making right turns that got off. It sounds so unorganized, unlike something I have ever seen...it's like they put the sign up just to write tickets and then take it down.
Any advice on what I can argue? hope this is clear
Print what you have in this thread.
Read it to the da(or show it)
Also a good handful of other papers is a good idea.
If you were acting on the officers direction you are not wrong.
If they don't agree to drop it right there I would be surprised.
If it is not dropped: when the officer gets on the stand ask about how long the sign has been there.(he may answer?)
Ask why he was waving you over?
It doesn't matter the answer. No more questions.
Now your turn.
Explain to the court that you want to read your statement and because you are nervous you want to give copies
to the judge and da so they can follow your story.
Read your above post to the court.
make a few copies and high lite the line about the waving.
If they have not dropped it by now
this is what you do.
Simply say that there is no by-law for that section of road.
You can say it is not there and if they are not ready it stands.
Cheers
Viper1
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he said it was an mpp that placed the signage lol and that it was taken down temporarily
I blew a hole in his argument because I had a document saying it was passed via city council the by-law was taken away once the sign was removed so that questioned his testimony
Also he had given me a ticket on the 19th of Oct, but the document from the city said it was put up on the 22nd of October so I argued that technicailly the sign wasn't there
the judge dismissed the charges
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manwithaplan
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Good work.gpolitop wrote:I got the charges dropped
he said it was an mpp that placed the signage lol and that it was taken down temporarily
I blew a hole in his argument because I had a document saying it was passed via city council the by-law was taken away once the sign was removed so that questioned his testimony
Also he had given me a ticket on the 19th of Oct, but the document from the city said it was put up on the 22nd of October so I argued that technicailly the sign wasn't there
the judge dismissed the charges
Cheers
Viper1
"hang onto your chair when reading my posts
use at your own risk"
use at your own risk"
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