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I should add:
There was absolutely no evidence of excessive speed on the cars part. It must not have had anti-lock brakes, because we heard the screech before the bang and there was about 15ft. of skid marks (speed limit 70kph). It was banged up but no where near what high speeds would have produced.

While raking leaves in the rear yard around 11:30am on a warm, sunny Easter morning, my wife and I heard the unmistakable sound of a bad wreck at the intersection a 1/4 mile from our house. It's a rural intersection, paved in both directions, stop signs in one direction. I ran out to the road and saw a black van on it's side and another car sitting ...

Hmm... It's been doing that for me for months! LOL

Ya, when I lost mine (many years ago), the OPP officer just kept pushing buttons on my dash until he came across the correct one! He'd turned his radar on before the search, so it started screaming like it was on fire or something, lol.

He didn't bother looking for the main unit, just gave me the ticket and told me to turn it in to him at the ...

Bear & I have been through this topic on another site, ages ago, but I recall arguing the fact that the HTA makes a vehicle search legal (with reasonable suspicion) but the police had no right to search "the person" though. In one case, the person never admitted to, nor denied, that he had a radar detector in his pocket. The officer arrested him ...

Program note:
See Cam come to my defense... Sat. (Apr 11) at 6:00am on Discovery
(my graduation episode)

Smokey, are you in Law Enforcement, or do you just chain smoke
UPDATE: Got around to reading your other posts... Not a LEO.

One final discussion I had with my agent (before I un-tied him and let him leave) was why was it so easy when WE were teens to buy, maintain, and INSURE a vehicle on nothing more than a part-time job? Whereas today, the only kids driving are those from small families who's parents are wealthy enough to pay the $3,000 - $4,000 a year for their ...

That drive was scary, but the music made it funny, LOL. Definitely not me... I'm reformed!!!
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It's important to note in the "ibc" documentation, it states, "where the position of the colliding vehicles can not be determined, each driver will be assessed 50% at fault."

So it the true offender lies, the innocent victim will promptly have an accident claim registered against them on their insurance policy! Still think a video camera running ...

LOL!! I almost did that on camera. There was a couple young's messin with traffic on 7&8 west of Kitchener. They would switch lanes back and forth and block all traffic behind them. I was right behind them completely rigged and functioning with multiple TV cameras with another camera vehicle right behind me. I was just about to pull a "Hail Mary ...

He told me only at-fault accidents will work against you. You can be hit 6 times (as is my experience!) and your rates wont' be affected.

I stopped in a parking lot aisle once and prepared to back in to a spot. A guy in a big Land Rover backed right in to the side of me from the spot beside the empty one (couldn't see me over his big spare tire I ...

On the mind of most recipients of a traffic ticket is, "What's this going to do to my insurance rate?"
The answer usually depends on the policies of the individual insurance companies. I recently had a sit-down with MY agent and tried to get as much info out of him as I could:

TICKETS:
1) "How far back do you check for tickets?"
- 3 years ...

If your insurance company is the same as mine, they won't care as long as you have no MTO record and they're not out of pocket any money.

In no way am I suggesting the cop didn't record the speed of the passing vehicle. I'm just suggesting he MAY have needed to increase his speed for safety reasons based on the actions of the vehicle being passed.

Bear, are you saying that the radar gun will track the speed of two vehicles side-by-side and display the correct speed of both vehicles ...

I've seen prosecutors plea bargain a Careless charge down to Following too Close in the same situation (a guy gently rear-ended a car stopped at a red). Sounds like the cop might have been giving you a break.

tdrive2 wrote:..He could definitely get both vehicles speed by being directly behind them.

The cop wasn't following behind. He was coming in the opposite direction.

jorge wrote:...the oncoming vehicle turns out to be a cop...

When ever I've been in court, the officer clearly states that he was patrolling in uniform and in a plainly marked cruiser.

I've never been charged by an un-marked cruiser and always assumed they must be marked to do traffic detail. I now know that NOT to be the case.

So why do we have marked cruisers at all??

Ouch! (It was the "sobbing" comment, wasn't it)

Ya, that'll work too.

Do you really think the oncoming vehicle (the officer) was able to get the speed of the passed vehicle AND the passing vehicle throughout the entirety of this scenario... with moving radar?? Sure it's possible, but unlikely. I'd love to put this cop on the stand:

ME: Officer, prior to me overtaking the vehicle, what was it's precise speed?
COP ...

ticketcombat wrote:Bookm what's O. Reg 246/03? Is that just an older version of the current reg?

O. Reg 615 covers stop signs.

Hmm. Dunno. That's the section I worked with on MY stop sign ticket a few years ago. May be obsolete now.

dgs wrote:so when I asked for disclosure, should I have specifically asked for a list of any witnesses?

Disclosure request should detail all information required:
Example
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If the pass cannot be made in safety, you should slow down and go back behind the other car.

That's a knee-slapper! LMAO (wipes tear from eye). Yep, your gonna make a perfect cop ;)

As absolutely ridiculous as it may sound, Squishy is right. There is no allowance for passing. Personally, I would take a speeding ticket and pass in safety ANY DAY ...

No. I'd bet large that if the stop sign had run across the road, it would have been seen and stopped for, just as a child would have.

Be sure to read the pertinent section of the HTA and see if it helps your case:
136. (1) Every driver or street car operator approaching a stop sign at an intersection,
(a) shall stop his or her vehicle or street ...

Property line to Property line. Fences are always out of wack!

Squishy wrote:If everyone could just be responsible we wouldn't need all these nanny laws.

We used to call those people NERDS! LOL (oh how times have changed, hehe)

The cop wrote two tickets because he knows the Crown will likely offer to drop one for a guilty plea on the other.

The ownership one would likely be dropped if she were to show the Crown that the original IS signed. But if it were me, I'd try to negotiate a guilty plea on the ownership and have the stop sign dropped.

Someone should call her ...

The thought of sending in a certified statement is excellent.

There is a section in the Provincial Offences Act that appears to facilitate this type of trial in "prescribed parts of Ontario". The intention seems good, until you find out that there are NO "prescribed parts of Ontario" that allow it, LOL.

Tried it once with a co-worker. Shot down ...

I used to just grab a paddle and go. Now I have a complete boat-kit (safety stuff) on board. Not sure how I ever managed without it

Now if I ever get my 6-pack taken away (and fined), I QUIT! I'll just take up TV as my weekend hobby, LOL.

I demand a re-count!