I mean to say, officers don't need a BS excuse, why make it up?La Squish wrote:"I pulled you over because your signal was flashing too fast and I wanted to make sure you didn't have a blown signal bulb" would be sufficient, no? Few extra words = happy JP?
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
Are you currently in Ontario? If so, you have consented to being governed by the Highway Traffic Act, among other laws. If you don't want to be subject to the HTA, you can withdraw your "consent" by leaving the province.
Can you please explain where you got the idea that an act is not a law?
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An Act is the Law. It DEFINES the Law.CoolChick wrote:Remember the HTA is an ACT not LAW.... it is a legislation that carries the enforcement of law only with OUR CONSENT.
The Highway Traffic Act (HTA) is an Ontario law which regulates the licensing of vehicles, classification of traffic offenses, administration of loads, classification of vehicles and other transport related issues. First introduced in 1990s, there have been amendments due to changes to driving conditions and new transportation trends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Tr ... Ontario%29
I should withdraw my consent to the BNA/Canada Act. That Union Jack sure is sexy.
Laws that precedes government are irrefutable laws and remain till this day. Acts are legislations brought in by elected governments and are supposed to be based on the pregovernment laws (laws that maintain our human rights ie./ right to travel, right to free speech, right to not be harmed or injured etc etc....) Any Act that does not uphold those rights is essentially fraudulent (no further comment on this, please do homework)
Acts also require our consent in order to be effective. Like a contract...you need to sign your consent at every step of the procedure...if you do not, you are not consenting....it is as simple as that. If a person is arrested, they have to sign to be released. It may be a release with a condition that again needs a promise to appear (signed)....if you are bailed they need a signature from the individual who is bailing you out. These signatures are consents. Pre government laws do not need signatures for you to be arrested because you have broken a law that has caused someone to be harmed in some way or have caused loss to someone.... these crimes are not neccessarily under the frayed umbrella of an Act.
I agree Squishy, the Union Jack is quite sexy isn't it !!! But even UK is bound by Common Law.... look up Magna Carta !
You can't tell the officer that you do not agree with the HTA and therefore withdraw your consent to be governed by such, and expect him to go "Oh darn, I guess you're free to go then."
Actually... why dont you test your theory... deregister your vehicle, relinquish your drivers licence and see what they can charge you with !!!!
If you do not have a licence and car is not registered how can you be bound by an Act that you have not consented to be a part of ?
You are simply using your RIGHT to travel as determined in pre government law, which if you remember cannot be refuted.
They'll charge you with:CoolChick wrote:Actually... why dont you test your theory... deregister your vehicle, relinquish your drivers licence and see what they can charge you with !!
- Drive without a licence
- No registration on the vehicle
- No insurance
Car will be seized and you're looking at thousands in fines and possible jail time. And they'll get a conviction. Canada is not some libertarian la-la land. No one can decide that they won't follow the laws without facing consequences. We're all bound by the laws, and no court will rule that individuals can simply decide which ones they can follow and which ones they won't.
By the way, "pre government law" was before the existence of motor vehicles. Saying someone has the "right" to drive would be saying that a blind person could operate a motor vehicle, because rights are guaranteed to everyone, not just select individuals on the basis of wealth or status or ability. That is why driving is a privilege. The Constitution is the supreme law of Canada (which was re-patriated in 1982), and it DOES NOT guarantee a right to drive.
If a car isn't registered it would be theft to seize it !
Why would you pay a fine for not registering something you have paid for ? By registering something you are handing it over to a new owner. An owner that can impound it whenever they feel they want to. Do we really need to have a piece of paper to say the car is ours ? Wouldn't a bill of sale suffice ? I know it does for my household items and any motor lawnmower.
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This planet was here long before governments and before people. Because we were born on this planet we are sovereign. Therefore this planet is sovereign territory.
hmm thinking back... before my speeding ticket, and before my niagara incedent... the 3 times i was pulled over before that, i asked why i was stopped. I got 2 answers:Reflections wrote:I mean to say, officers don't need a BS excuse, why make it up?La Squish wrote:"I pulled you over because your signal was flashing too fast and I wanted to make sure you didn't have a blown signal bulb" would be sufficient, no? Few extra words = happy JP?
1: "Because thats what we do"
2: "because we can"
because we can was said on two different occasions by 2 different people. Hasnt it been said that somewhere in the world you have a twin? these 2 should hook up.
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