Our website is made possible by displaying online advertisements to our visitors.
Please consider supporting us by disabling your ad blocker.

Ontario Highway Traffic Act

Discuss the Ontario Highway Traffic Act.


Post Your Traffic Ticket, and Get Help!


The Ontario Traffic Ticket Forum!


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Check It Out
No unread posts New Set Fines Starting Sept 1st, 2015! Read and Learn Here.
  Print view

Electric cars are a GO in Ontario
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:03 pm 
Offline
VIP
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:27 pm
Posts: 959
Location: Guelph, Ontario
Finally, the Ontario government had warmed up to the idea of allowing the use of electric cars and plug-in hybrids on our roads. The province will also provide rebates between $4 000 and $10 000. The rebate, which will start on July 1st, 2010, will cover any and all electric cars capable of driving on a (400-series) highway, which excludes Zenn cars, as those are only capable of 50 km/hr.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/07/ ... rs511.html

_________________
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"

www.OHTA.ca & www.OntarioHighwayTrafficAct.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:55 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:35 am
Posts: 222
I think it's a great start.

The 4-10k rebate offer from Daddy Dalton should be for cars only made in Ontario!

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:03 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:14 pm
Posts: 109
Location: Caledonia, Ontario
This looks a bit more like a subsidy for the Volt than a commitment to energy efficiency. By tying this province to plug-in technology, McGuinty may be freezing development of other ideas. There certainly are people who are uneasy about encouraging the pounding of yet more coal into yet more fossil-fuelled power generating plants out in the unexplored boonies (i.e. west of Royal York Road, north of Victoria Square or east of Scarborough), just so the good folks in Toronto can more easily manage their plug-in cars -- with help from all of Ontario's taxpayers, of course.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:04 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:26 pm
Posts: 2881
Location: Toronto
Proper1 wrote:
There certainly are people who are uneasy about encouraging the pounding of yet more coal into yet more fossil-fuelled power generating plants out in the unexplored boonies


Just curious...

Why do you think that people in Toronto don't share similar concerns about more coal-fired power plants?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:11 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:14 pm
Posts: 109
Location: Caledonia, Ontario
Radar Identified wrote:
Just curious...

Why do you think that people in Toronto don't share similar concerns about more coal-fired power plants?


Point taken. It was unfair to swipe everybody in Toronto with the same coal-tar brush. Plug-in electric cars (in Ontario) do essentially run on coal, and they are not, today, of much use outside the province's biggest cities, so I let myself get carried away on my own rhetorical tide. Sorry.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:40 pm 
Offline
VIP
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:27 pm
Posts: 959
Location: Guelph, Ontario
OPG, producer of about 70% of all power in Ontario reports a generating mix of 45% nuclear, 34% hydroelectric and 22% fossil-fuelled electricity.

Also, the fossil power plants are currently operating at 1214 MW generation, while having the capacity of 8177 MW. Therefore they can simply increase production at those, given that nuclear plants are running at almost full capacity.

Another thing is that the electricity generated is dealing with consumption. Most of consumption will stay at around 50% level of generation, with one or two spikes per day going up to 85% of hydro generated.

Why talk about the generation problems before they are even there? There is another nuclear plant in the works, to be completed :roll: 2015 :roll: . I expect the uptake to be very low, at least for the time being. Even the article says "5% of vehicles by 2020".

Chevy Volt is a plug-in hybrid, therefore it would probably be the 4K rebate cheque. Given that hybrids get 3K rebate, I think it is fair. 10K is for full-electric vehicles.

_________________
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"

www.OHTA.ca & www.OntarioHighwayTrafficAct.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:23 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:26 pm
Posts: 2881
Location: Toronto
Proper1 wrote:
Point taken. It was unfair to swipe everybody in Toronto with the same coal-tar brush. Plug-in electric cars (in Ontario) do essentially run on coal, and they are not, today, of much use outside the province's biggest cities, so I let myself get carried away on my own rhetorical tide. Sorry.


No need for an apology, Proper1. The possibility of increasing the output of coal-fired plants is a problem, causing more pollution - but I think most people province-wide share that concern, especially in places like Toronto and Windsor where smog days are the norm in the summer (except this summer, weird weather and all). For now, yeah, I'd say electric cars are useless outside of cities. I guess the real question is, how much overall pollution would we be creating or reducing? I think racer also has a good point - most of our base-load is from nuclear reactors. While we still have Nanticoke (yikes), we might have another reactor (or two) on-line before we have to crank up the coal plants.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:35 pm 
Offline
Sr. Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:45 am
Posts: 709
Location: Orillia
It is difficult to adjust the output of nuclear plants, so we likely have a lot of excess power at night that just gets grounded (and will have even more in the future as more nuclear plants go on-line). Given that most people will plug-in at night to charge for the morning commute, especially with the new smart meters, I think we'll have quite a few years to update the infrastructure should hybrid/battery technology catch on.

Personally, electric cars are a bit too "girly" - I want explosions to power me forwards. :D

_________________
         Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:04 am 
Offline
VIP
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:27 pm
Posts: 959
Location: Guelph, Ontario
OPG reports generating 11285 MW of power right now. Electricity consumption is about 40% at nighttime, but let's just say we have 10% of that energy output to power E-cars, over 5 hours. That is 642500 KWh available (check the math Squishy:)), enough to power up 106 000 of Tesla Roadster vehicles (these have 53 KWh batteries). Or 350 000 of 16 KWh batteries in Chevy Volts. Both figures are from 0 to full, which is theoretically impossible.

The question is not whether we have enough hydro, but how many people will actually use the electricity generated that is going to waste right now.

OPG just dropped their output to 11091 MW...

_________________
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"

www.OHTA.ca & www.OntarioHighwayTrafficAct.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:38 am 
Offline
Sr. Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:59 pm
Posts: 486
Location: Toronto
Squishy wrote:
Personally, electric cars are a bit too "girly" - I want explosions to power me forwards. :D

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:39 am 
Offline
Sr. Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:59 pm
Posts: 486
Location: Toronto
Seriously, Ontario's nuclear debt stands at $38 billion. But it cost close to $60 billion to build the program. Ontario spends mere millions on alternative green energy source research.

The sub-orbital human spaceflight contest (Ansari X Prize) offered $10 million and spurred a new space race. The reward to find Saddam Hussein was $25 million.

Greenpeace estimates the cost of Ontario's new nuke to be $26 billion. Imagine what you could accomplish for that amount of reward money. Somebody would come up with a way to power the province from just a can of beans!

_________________
Fight Your Ticket!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:50 am 
Offline
Sr. Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:45 am
Posts: 709
Location: Orillia
Urine batteries?

_________________
         Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:36 pm 
Offline
Sr. Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:59 pm
Posts: 486
Location: Toronto
Cow Manure --> link.

$1 million investment with a 5 year payback! After that, it makes money for the farmer!

_________________
Fight Your Ticket!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Related topics
 Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Electric Cars in Ontario?

[ Go to pageGo to page: 1, 2 ]

racer

17

1729

Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:16 pm

admin View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Should Canada allow electric cars on the roads?

admin

6

685

Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:04 am

racer View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Electric Bike DUI Impoundment?

[ Go to pageGo to page: 1, 2 ]

Thai

17

2513

Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:07 pm

cruzmisl View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Stopping two cars

[ Go to pageGo to page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ]

Imax

65

3555

Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:02 pm

Slyk View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Stopping two cars, act 2

Imax

5

783

Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:58 pm

Imax View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. 2 cars pulled over at same time?

mebs

2

770

Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:44 am

Reflections View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Pulling cars out of the ditch

p4d

3

1288

Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:26 pm

Squishy View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Who Insures Police Cars?

freedom94

3

510

Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:34 pm

OPS Copper View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Passing Stopped Cars at a Crossover

[ Go to pageGo to page: 1, 2 ]

keyser

17

4356

Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:17 am

keyser View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Careless Driving / Accident with 2 other cars.

redcaesar

2

688

Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:58 pm

redcaesar View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Passing and Speeding - Two Cars Pulled Over

PTangMan

4

903

Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:17 pm

bend View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Insurance, ownership, (and rental cars)

Markus

2

310

Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:44 pm

Decatur View the latest post

 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot] and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Web Development & Search Engine Optimization
Home | Court Listings | Ontario Traffic Ticket

Copyright 2007 - 2017 © Microtekblue Inc. Web Development & Search Engine Optimization Service. We Support phpBB All Rights Reserved.