My father had previously gotten a DUI in his vehicle. Then shortly after they got him again on his cheapo Canadian Tire electric bike. He's old and didn't know such laws regardin the electric bike. Now we have the option of getting the bike back, but apparently it's in a tow truck yard being stored. I'm scared to see how much they're going to want for us to get it back considering it's been about 3 weeks. I guess my question is, do they even have the right to impound the bike like this? It's not a bicycle, yet not a motor vehicle... Are they trying to hose us hoping we don't know better? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks. :(
My father had previously gotten a DUI in his vehicle. Then shortly after they got him again on his cheapo Canadian Tire electric bike. He's old and didn't know such laws regardin the electric bike.
Now we have the option of getting the bike back, but apparently it's in a tow truck yard being stored. I'm scared to see how much they're going to want for us to get it back considering it's been about 3 weeks.
I guess my question is, do they even have the right to impound the bike like this? It's not a bicycle, yet not a motor vehicle... Are they trying to hose us hoping we don't know better?
Whoa, just saw this: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/ ... .shtml#a17 Drinking and driving a motor vehicle is a Criminal Code offence and charges are laid under the Criminal Code of Canada. Under the Criminal Code, the definition of a "motor vehicle" would include an e-bike and anyone operating an e-bike intoxicated could be charged for impaired driving. If convicted, the offender would be subject to the Criminal Code penalties, including a fine or jail time, and a driving prohibition. However, under this pilot regulation, an e-bike would not be a motor vehicle under the Highway Traffic Act, so penalties for impaired driving under the Act would not apply. Does that mean they can't charge him?!
Drinking and driving a motor vehicle is a Criminal Code offence and charges are laid under the Criminal Code of Canada. Under the Criminal Code, the definition of a "motor vehicle" would include an e-bike and anyone operating an e-bike intoxicated could be charged for impaired driving. If convicted, the offender would be subject to the Criminal Code penalties, including a fine or jail time, and a driving prohibition. However, under this pilot regulation, an e-bike would not be a motor vehicle under the Highway Traffic Act, so penalties for impaired driving under the Act would not apply.
An electric bicycle (power-assisted bicycle) is a bicycle as far as the HTA is concerned, aside from the fact that you must be over 16 to ride one and you must wear a helmet. If it was road legal to begin with (limited to 32 km/h and whatever else the MTO requires) then it does not qualify as a motor vehicle, excluding it from Criminal Code impaired/over 80 charges as well as the HTA administrative suspension. Careless driving charges can apply.
An electric bicycle (power-assisted bicycle) is a bicycle as far as the HTA is concerned, aside from the fact that you must be over 16 to ride one and you must wear a helmet.
If it was road legal to begin with (limited to 32 km/h and whatever else the MTO requires) then it does not qualify as a motor vehicle, excluding it from Criminal Code impaired/over 80 charges as well as the HTA administrative suspension. Careless driving charges can apply.
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HTA and Criminal Code definitions for a motor vehicle are different
Squishy wrote:
If it was road legal to begin with (limited to 32 km/h and whatever else the MTO requires) then it does not qualify as a motor vehicle, excluding it from Criminal Code impaired/over 80 charges as well as the HTA administrative suspension. Careless driving charges can apply.
HTA and Criminal Code definitions for a motor vehicle are different
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
Oops, was just thinking "impaired" and "bicycle." Had a bit of impairment myself with my pizza. :oops: So while the licence suspension can't be applied, he would not have been allowed to continue driving while impaired, thus the vehicle was towed.
Oops, was just thinking "impaired" and "bicycle." Had a bit of impairment myself with my pizza.
So while the licence suspension can't be applied, he would not have been allowed to continue driving while impaired, thus the vehicle was towed.
Does anyone have a link to the Criminal Code? I can't seem to find it anywhere. *Edit* I found it. http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowTdm/cs ... 0090929/en It doesn't define power-assisted bicycles as a motor vehicle. So this has got to be a BS charge.
Does anyone have a link to the Criminal Code? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
"motor vehicle" « vehicule » moteur "motor vehicle" means a vehicle that is drawn, propelled or driven by any means other than muscular power, but does not include railway equipment; This is interesting because I have a clipping from the newspaper that mentioned when my dad got pulled over. Quoted in the newspaper article: "Police want to remind riders of electric bikes that they are defined as motor vehicles in the Criminal Code and anyone operating one while impaired can be charged with alcohol-related driving offences." Is there an amendment to the definition of Motor Vehicle in the Criminal Code that I am unaware of?
"motor vehicle"
« vehicule » moteur
"motor vehicle" means a vehicle that is drawn, propelled or driven by any means other than muscular power, but does not include railway equipment;
This is interesting because I have a clipping from the newspaper that mentioned when my dad got pulled over.
Quoted in the newspaper article:
"Police want to remind riders of electric bikes that they are defined as motor vehicles in the Criminal Code and anyone operating one while impaired can be charged with alcohol-related driving offences."
Is there an amendment to the definition of Motor Vehicle in the Criminal Code that I am unaware of?
An electric motor qualifies as "other than muscular power" so it is a motor vehicle under the Criminal Code. O.Reg 473 allows a power-assisted bicycle to be treated as simply a bicycle under the HTA as long as it meets the standards of the CMVSA. However, that is provincial legislation and cannot modify the Criminal Code.
An electric motor qualifies as "other than muscular power" so it is a motor vehicle under the Criminal Code.
O.Reg 473 allows a power-assisted bicycle to be treated as simply a bicycle under the HTA as long as it meets the standards of the CMVSA. However, that is provincial legislation and cannot modify the Criminal Code.
I also found this: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/ ... -faq.shtml If a police officer stopped someone who is drunk while driving an e-bike, how would they be charged? Would this be a Criminal Code offence? HTA offence? Drinking and driving a motor vehicle is a Criminal Code offence and charges are laid under the Criminal Code of Canada. Under the Criminal Code, the definition of a "motor vehicle" would include an e-bike and anyone operating an e-bike intoxicated could be charged for impaired driving. If convicted, the offender would be subject to the Criminal Code penalties, including a fine or jail time, and a driving prohibition. However, under this pilot regulation, an e-bike would not be a motor vehicle under the Highway Traffic Act, so penalties for impaired driving under the Act would not apply. So from what I gather, they can charge him with Impaired over 80 from the Criminal Code, but maybe can't punish him? That doesn't make much sense.
Squishy wrote:
An electric motor qualifies as "other than muscular power" so it is a motor vehicle under the Criminal Code.
O.Reg 473 allows a power-assisted bicycle to be treated as simply a bicycle under the HTA as long as it meets the standards of the CMVSA. However, that is provincial legislation and cannot modify the Criminal Code.
If a police officer stopped someone who is drunk while driving an e-bike, how would they be charged? Would this be a Criminal Code offence? HTA offence?
Drinking and driving a motor vehicle is a Criminal Code offence and charges are laid under the Criminal Code of Canada. Under the Criminal Code, the definition of a "motor vehicle" would include an e-bike and anyone operating an e-bike intoxicated could be charged for impaired driving. If convicted, the offender would be subject to the Criminal Code penalties, including a fine or jail time, and a driving prohibition. However, under this pilot regulation, an e-bike would not be a motor vehicle under the Highway Traffic Act, so penalties for impaired driving under the Act would not apply.
So from what I gather, they can charge him with Impaired over 80 from the Criminal Code, but maybe can't punish him? That doesn't make much sense.
It means that he can be charged criminally and suffer those consequences (fine, imprisonment, driving prohibition), but they can't administer the roadside licence suspension which is under the Highway Traffic Act. That includes the new 50 milligram roadside suspension, but if he is impaired at that level then it once again falls under the Criminal Code.
It means that he can be charged criminally and suffer those consequences (fine, imprisonment, driving prohibition), but they can't administer the roadside licence suspension which is under the Highway Traffic Act. That includes the new 50 milligram roadside suspension, but if he is impaired at that level then it once again falls under the Criminal Code.
There is no impound...The bike was towed to get it off the street...All you have to do is pay tow fee...... The only impound is the 45 day that falls under the Ontario HTA for people convicted previously.. But the HTA penalties do not apply, Note everyday you leave your bike in the tow yard cost about 80/day i think....Since I know when this happened I would think that by now the cost would be more than the bike... GS
There is no impound...The bike was towed to get it off the street...All you have to do is pay tow fee......
The only impound is the 45 day that falls under the Ontario HTA for people convicted previously..
But the HTA penalties do not apply,
Note everyday you leave your bike in the tow yard cost about 80/day i think....Since I know when this happened I would think that by now the cost would be more than the bike...
Ouch, thats no good. Cheer up. E-bikes are now allowed on roads in Ontario. If youd like some information about all the new e-bike rules you can check out my blog. http://transportationlaw.wordpress.com/ ... tion-news/
Ouch, thats no good. Cheer up. E-bikes are now allowed on roads in Ontario. If youd like some information about all the new e-bike rules you can check out my blog. http://transportationlaw.wordpress.com/ ... tion-news/
Ebike riders that got into Grandpa's cough medicine can and have been charged with impaired. Its a legit charge since its a motor vehicle as defined by the CCC. Since it is not a motor vehicle as defined by the HTA, ADLS suspensions do not apply. It still needs to be towed from the road since you can't leave it there for someone to steal.
Ebike riders that got into Grandpa's cough medicine can and have been charged with impaired. Its a legit charge since its a motor vehicle as defined by the CCC. Since it is not a motor vehicle as defined by the HTA, ADLS suspensions do not apply.
It still needs to be towed from the road since you can't leave it there for someone to steal.
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