Interesting article about court appearances. Opinions?

Hahaha, hilarious last few posts. I've heard the parking lights "are CITY lights!" argument before. What I don't get is the amount of Caravans using the amber marker DRLs at night with no headlights at all. They have to know that their headlights aren't on...right?

I've had arguments before with people who insist that they don't have to worry about lighting in their GM. ALL of the people I have had this argument with did not know there was a separate light switch to override the automatic headlights. Bah.

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FiReSTaRT wrote:

It's not about a lack of enforcement. It's more about the wrong focus on enforcement.

That's exactly what I meant. Of the sections that do actually apply to lane discipline (147 (1), maybe 148 (2)), none of them are regularly enforced like speeding and seatbelt laws are.

Bear, that's funny AND sad at the same time. this is a prime example of where lawmakers had good intentions but failed to predict the inevitable consequences of people not understanding the headlight system in modern cars. The factories did their job, but who taught all the naive drivers out there about the new system.

Our van has cryptic symbols on a lever style switch that took me a few minutes to figure out. My wife didn't know she had the option of manually turning on the lights. My old Lincoln has auto lights at night, but still retains the old "pull" knob style switch so when in doubt, just pull it out like they've been doing for decades.

While on the subject, come ride with me (Caution: really boring video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fZzKoI1ybs

Squishy wrote:

tdrive2 wrote:

Anyways our low speed limit is making lane discipline hell.

Lane discipline has little to do with our speed limit - it's the lack of laws and lack of enforcement, along with a general selfish driving attitude from major urban areas like Toronto, Mississauga, Brampton, etc., that is spreading like a cancer. When I first learned to drive (admittedly earlier than 16 ), changing lanes without signalling was an insult meant to tell the driver behind you that they are doing something wrong. Now it's just lazyness. Back then, when you saw a driver after sundown with no taillights on, you flash your highbeams at them and they understood what that meant! Now they slam on the brakes and give you a "How dare you!" look as you pass them. I once followed a Matrix across Toronto (from Greenwood all the way to Islington on Bloor-Danforth) at 4 am, flashing my lights at him at every red light. At least he gave me a wave of apology after it took him driving across an entire city to realise that he had no lights on (and no, he wasn't flipping me off ). Bookm is absolutely right - we don't need more laws, we need to change people's attitudes and their education. If people don't want the government to nanny the heck out of us, stop being douchebags.

Is it me or did anyone else try to click stop being douchebags?

Great. Now I clicked YOURS, too!

Of course the government can never see the effects of what they do long term.

They dont see it now with all the money they are creating and expanding the monetary base, they forget about fractional reserve banking, when they sold the 407 they had no idea how much more traffic would end up on the 401.

The same goes for mandatory auto insurance and seat belts. These give people a false sense of security.

We have to many laws. I think ticketcombat said In germany you can drive drunk but the fines go up and insurance won't pay if you do.

This would work better than this. Even if they crash, insurance will pay and you just lose your license(most will still drive anyways).

I wonder in this province if insurance was not forced by law, if people would drive different, (take less risk), and it would be great because insurance companies could only charge what people could afford.

Government rarely sees the consequences of what they do. I know they don't see what limiting trucks to 105 will do without forcing them in the right lane only, in the states they didn't see the effects of forcing banks to lend to under qualified applicants while the fed was inflating and keeping the price of interest artificially low.

Some central banks have trippled and doubled the monetary base. I think they forget that this is the base which the fractional reserve system uses as a reserve upon which to make loan's and expand the supply of money. They also have no idea how much inflation they are going to create when this money enters the process.

hwybear wrote:

Classic example: stop vehicle with daytime running lights. (DRL)

Not surprised with that story. On my drive home tonight I saw three vehicles with only their daytime running lights on. They were also driving under the posted speed limit. "I'm safe because I obey the speed limit." Yeah... okay...

Also last week watched the Toronto Police set up a roadblock on my street due to a fire at an apartment complex down the road. The reaction of drivers was eye-popping. I wish I'd had a video camera. I'd have to say, despite the police giving out some well-deserved verbal tongue lashings, they were remarkably patient, particularly to the guy who put to wheels on the grass and attempted to drive around the police cars that were parked perpendicular to the road with their red & blues lit up. No tickets handed out, just lots of yelling.

Squishy wrote:

it's the lack of laws and lack of enforcement, along with a general selfish driving attitude from major urban areas like Toronto, Mississauga, Brampton, etc., that is spreading like a cancer.

I hear ya.

tdrive2 wrote:

I think ticketcombat said In germany you can drive drunk but the fines go up and insurance won't pay if you do.

Not me.

I have a fix for all of this. Every car on the road gets one of those Bugs Bunny hidden boxing gloves. Next this is tricky with the new law but every car get a cellular number displayed on the back window, or we used the license plate.

Now then, if Johnny Lanehog is sitting in the left lane or if Amanda Nolook cut you off or if Tony the Tiger is driving down the road eating his cereal, you copy down the number, lets say we all have digital cameras mounted with steering wheel activation, safety first here people. Now with the number you pull off to the shoulder, parking lot wherever.....and dial the number.

You pick if its a gut shot, head shot or kidney shot, press one of the following three options, and the dumb dumb gets the hint. We can even have call display, with a picture of you and your car, or just a Walmart happy face behind the wheel.

Whats that don't like the fist of fury? Then we can use a taser or cattle prod. Once again, dial the number and guzunt...... Then expect the pleasant wave as you drive by.

Last night on the way home I damn near used my bumper to knock some grampa in the good ol' Lincoln Towncar out of my way.....Why you ask, because at every intersection he hit the brakes and slowed to 35 KMH, in a 60 zone, with green lights and little cross bound traffic.......heh,heh,heh ....catching my breath...hang on. I was nearly rear ended three times by three different drivers because of him. Safety, no. When the light is green I expect to go...simple stuff. Wish I had my cattle prod. Rant off.

When I was in Manhatten I was amazed, everybody slows down or practically stops at green lights. I guess they're too scared to hit wayward pedestrians and deal with the lawsuit that follows.

Hey Reflections, what's going to stop the dumb dumb from dialing your number and getting you back for the gut punch? After all the ones who deserve it are the first to argue THEY were doing nothing wrong.

But I like the idea. Maybe instead you can dial their number and turn on their headlights!!!

ticketcombat wrote:

But I like the idea. Maybe instead you can dial their number and turn on their headlights!!!

IF "Mr. Can't Use the Mirrors" isn't paying attention, how would he see me in the first place........And we can use limited range devices, 2-ways????

So, those court procedures..........

Where's a moderator when you need one??

'Bear, put down the damn donut, come clean this up

at least be creative and put those smilies in the form of donut.

haha

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Squish, that looks like a dutchie or fritter, good job though

Maybe Bear needs to diversify from his Boston Cream.

Guys i was just thinking.

I have figured out what the OPP is all about.

There logo has been telling me something we have been right about all this time.!!!!!!!

O . P . P

The O is a donought.

The first P represents a Lidar Gun.

The second one kind of resembles some sort of lidar gun.

The O also has another meaning as the shocked face of a motorist who has been pulled over and has his car taken away on a flat bed.

You complain about speed enforcement and to concentrate on other aspects of the HTA, but you yourself are so fixated on speed that over 90% of your posts go off topic by mentioning it. Too ironic!

There is absolutely no reason to being 50 over a speed limit, I do not buy it. I have seen a huge reduction in vehicles travelling those speeds. I used to obtain 1-2 vehicles per block of shifts travelling that speed and this year (16 blocks) I have only 3.

Went to a collision yesterday on a secondary highway. The main cause was following too close. However just for your peace of mind, speed was involved, but only to the point that 2 stationary objects can not strike one another.

For more peace of mind, 80% of the offence notices I issued yesterday did not involve speed. Just after high noon did I finally stop a vehicle 20over on the 401 (over 6hrs into shift)

hwybear wrote:

However just for your peace of mind, speed was involved, but only to the point that 2 stationary objects can not strike one another.

Actually, two stationary object will slowly move closer to each other due to their own gravity....... usually though, not fast enough to cause damage.

90% of my posts are complaints about speed enforcement, but my main pet peeves are:

1) Lack of due care and attention

2) Improper behaviour (signalling, poor lane discipline etc.)

3) Lack of proper vehicle maintenance

In that order of importance.

1) Lack of courtesy

2) Impatience

That covers about 95% of the things that make me prefer HSD over the other types of detachments. I'm going to get them ALLLLLL.

Squishy, your #2 is often caused by my #2

And your #2 is often caused by my #1.

No arguments from me on that count. I personally subscribe to the European school of driving. No matter how fast I'm going in the left lane, if I see someone moving up from behind, I get out of the way. I'd do that even if I were breaking the speed record for section 172. And Bear, while this post mentions speed, the main focus of it is courtesy :8

hwybear wrote:

You complain about speed enforcement and to concentrate on other aspects of the HTA, but you yourself are so fixated on speed that over 90% of your posts go off topic by mentioning it. Too ironic!

There is absolutely no reason to being 50 over a speed limit, I do not buy it. I have seen a huge reduction in vehicles travelling those speeds. I used to obtain 1-2 vehicles per block of shifts travelling that speed and this year (16 blocks) I have only 3.

Went to a collision yesterday on a secondary highway. The main cause was following too close. However just for your peace of mind, speed was involved, but only to the point that 2 stationary objects can not strike one another.

For more peace of mind, 80% of the offence notices I issued yesterday did not involve speed. Just after high noon did I finally stop a vehicle 20over on the 401 (over 6hrs into shift)

Thats very bad so a tailgater crashed into someone following to close to him?

I assume he got a charge for following to close, careless driving etc?

Did the guy in front also get a charge for blocking traffic, driving in a passing lane, etc?

I am not complaining about speed enforcement. That would suggest that the speed limit actually made sense and was set properly.

We have the same limit on all roads, that all have a different design, volume, traffic patterns, urban, country side? I know thats not right either.

Most countries have faster limits on roads outside the city. England does this to on their countries in non urban areas.

it must just be our highways that are a joke. On most city roads most drivers are usually 5-15 over the limit.

Well on the highway thats a much different story. I begin to wonder if it is like 80-90 % of the cars or maybe the limit itself is just not set right.

tdrive2 wrote:

[We have the same limit on all roads, that all have a different design, volume, traffic patterns, urban, country side? I know thats not right either.

Most countries have faster limits on roads outside the city. England does this to on their countries in non urban areas.

it must just be our highways that are a joke. On most city roads most drivers are usually 5-15 over the limit.

Well on the highway thats a much different story. I begin to wonder if it is like 80-90 % of the cars or maybe the limit itself is just not set right.

that sounds like your most applicable summary of everything you have ever posted...well done...ps..don't let your head swell so you cant get into your vehicle

tdrive2 wrote:

Thats very bad so a tailgater crashed into someone following to close to him?

I assume he got a charge for following to close, careless driving etc?

Did the guy in front also get a charge for blocking traffic, driving in a passing lane, etc?.

Lead vehicle (V3) was stopped on the highway to make a left hand turn due to oncoming traffic..

V2 observes V3 and starts braking as normal to stop. V2 looks behind, observes V1 not slowing. V2 does not want to get smoked from behind, tries to move right onto the shoulder to escape.

V1 brakes, but still strikes back left corner of V2 as it tried to escape.

DR1 charged with careless driving.

V3 unscathed.