So let me give you just the key points as the whole situation is just extremely complex. 1. Roommate gets G1. Buys car. 2. Owner of the car signs green slip and friend cannot insure the car so does not register under his name driving with old plates. Previous owner left them on. 3. I take the car to go grocery shopping. I do not have my own personal insurance as i dont own a car. I have a full G lisence though. 4. Get into an accident on the way. Sideswipe a car which ends up in the incomming lane and hits another car and a truck. 5. No one injured. No damage to the truck. Minimal damage to my roommates car. Other 2 cars are pretty much going to get written off. 6. Cop gives me a ticket for improper lane change. 7. I call room mate and he cannot proove ownership and insurance policy as he has neither. 8. Cop is generous gives 7 days to produce all this information + impounds the car. So besides the obvious, i am screwed on many different level. I am not sure WHAT i can do. I know i am responsible and i am willing to take my fair share of the responsibility. So what would be my next steps. At the moment i am simply panicking and cannot think straight. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
So let me give you just the key points as the whole situation is just extremely complex.
1. Roommate gets G1. Buys car.
2. Owner of the car signs green slip and friend cannot insure the car so does not register under his name driving with old plates. Previous owner left them on.
3. I take the car to go grocery shopping. I do not have my own personal insurance as i dont own a car. I have a full G lisence though.
4. Get into an accident on the way. Sideswipe a car which ends up in the incomming lane and hits another car and a truck.
5. No one injured. No damage to the truck. Minimal damage to my roommates car. Other 2 cars are pretty much going to get written off.
6. Cop gives me a ticket for improper lane change.
7. I call room mate and he cannot proove ownership and insurance policy as he has neither.
8. Cop is generous gives 7 days to produce all this information + impounds the car.
So besides the obvious, i am screwed on many different level. I am not sure WHAT i can do. I know i am responsible and i am willing to take my fair share of the responsibility. So what would be my next steps. At the moment i am simply panicking and cannot think straight. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I dont know if its good news or not, but its the owner, not the driver who gets charged for a vehicle being operated without insurance. If its your friend/roommate whos the owner (even if its not registered on paper) hell be facing the charge which carries a $5,000 fine. Both you and him can also be charged for using plates which dont belong on the vehicle. If thats the case, it may be worth hiring legal representation due to the seriousness of the charges.
I dont know if its good news or not, but its the owner, not the driver who gets charged for a vehicle being operated without insurance. If its your friend/roommate whos the owner (even if its not registered on paper) hell be facing the charge which carries a $5,000 fine. Both you and him can also be charged for using plates which dont belong on the vehicle. If thats the case, it may be worth hiring legal representation due to the seriousness of the charges.
Did your room mate lose the bill of sale and green slip .. oh dear... so basically if a car has been bought but not registered and someone else is using it there is no crime committed by the one using it oh dear. I think you will find thats because all the paperwork has to match up, they can only charge according to the paperwork as far as I can tell oh dear
Did your room mate lose the bill of sale and green slip .. oh dear... so basically if a car has been bought but not registered and someone else is using it there is no crime committed by the one using it oh dear. I think you will find thats because all the paperwork has to match up, they can only charge according to the paperwork as far as I can tell oh dear
A statement from the previous owner stating when the vehicle was sold and to whom is sufficient to show ownership, the vehicle does not actually need to be registered to the owner.
A statement from the previous owner stating when the vehicle was sold and to whom is sufficient to show ownership, the vehicle does not actually need to be registered to the owner.
Hi again. Thanks for your opinions so far. I would like to update the situation, as I was a bit unclear at first. 1. Roommate gets G1. Buys car. 2. Owner of the car (a mutual friend of ours) legally takes ownership of car on behalf of friend. Puts on legal plates but does NOT insure the car. 3. I randomly take the car to go grocery shopping. I do not have my own personal insurance as i dont own a car. I have a full G license though. 4. Get into an accident on the way. Sideswipe a car which ends up in the on-coming lane and hits 2 other cars. 5. No one injured. Minimal damage to 1 car. Minimal damage to roommates car. Other 2 cars are pretty much going to get written off (srs damage). 6. Cop gives me a ticket for improper lane change and failure to show pink insurance slip. 7. Cop is generous, gives 7 days to mutual friend (owner of car) to produce all this information but impounds car for now. Claims he will give car owner big fine...permitting to drive vehicle without insurance. So far, I still am not sure WHAT i should do. I know i am responsible and am willing to take my fair share of the responsibility. So what would be my next steps? How to get the car out of impound? How to not involve the mutual friend (car owner)...even though I think that will be impossible. What happens with the other damaged vehicles? Thanks in advance.
Hi again. Thanks for your opinions so far. I would like to update the situation, as I was a bit unclear at first.
1. Roommate gets G1. Buys car.
2. Owner of the car (a mutual friend of ours) legally takes ownership of car on behalf of friend. Puts on legal plates but does NOT insure the car.
3. I randomly take the car to go grocery shopping. I do not have my own personal insurance as i dont own a car. I have a full G license though.
4. Get into an accident on the way. Sideswipe a car which ends up in the on-coming lane and hits 2 other cars.
5. No one injured. Minimal damage to 1 car. Minimal damage to roommates car. Other 2 cars are pretty much going to get written off (srs damage).
6. Cop gives me a ticket for improper lane change and failure to show pink insurance slip.
7. Cop is generous, gives 7 days to mutual friend (owner of car) to produce all this information but impounds car for now. Claims he will give car owner big fine...permitting to drive vehicle without insurance.
So far, I still am not sure WHAT i should do. I know i am responsible and am willing to take my fair share of the responsibility. So what would be my next steps? How to get the car out of impound? How to not involve the mutual friend (car owner)...even though I think that will be impossible. What happens with the other damaged vehicles?
Getting the vehicle out of impound would typically simply require paying the towing and storage fee. If its not insured, you wouldnt be able to drive it, so you would have to pay to have it towed to your residence. Not involving the car owner isnt possible since its his vehicle. The only way he wouldnt be liable for you operating it without insurance would be if you took the car without permission. If that truly were the case however youll likely face a criminal charge for taking a motor vehicle without consent, so its not something you can make up to get him off the hook. The other vehicles that you struck will likely be insured through their respective owners, but youll be ultimately responsible for repaying the costs. Also, you said the plates are legal, but in your first post you said the previous owner left them on. If that's the case, they're not legal. Sellers cannot transfer their plates to new owners.
Getting the vehicle out of impound would typically simply require paying the towing and storage fee. If its not insured, you wouldnt be able to drive it, so you would have to pay to have it towed to your residence.
Not involving the car owner isnt possible since its his vehicle. The only way he wouldnt be liable for you operating it without insurance would be if you took the car without permission. If that truly were the case however youll likely face a criminal charge for taking a motor vehicle without consent, so its not something you can make up to get him off the hook.
The other vehicles that you struck will likely be insured through their respective owners, but youll be ultimately responsible for repaying the costs.
Also, you said the plates are legal, but in your first post you said the previous owner left them on. If that's the case, they're not legal. Sellers cannot transfer their plates to new owners.
Thanks again for your reply Stanton. I called the towing company and they agreed to tow the car out but they want police authorization via a release document. I told our mutual friend (car owner) to get in touch with the police and take responsibility. I don't want this to become a criminal case so I hope he doesn't claim that I took the car without his consent in an effort to free himself. But I need for him to get the release documents as the towing company needs them to release the vehicle so I can pay that bill. Now the question is, he is out of town. If he gets subpoenaed to come to court for the 'permitting vehicle to be operated without insurance' offense, does he have to fly into town? Or can I hire a lawyer for him to represent him and possibly fight/reduce this charge as well? In that case can the lawyer go to court in his place if he is subpoenaed?
Thanks again for your reply Stanton.
I called the towing company and they agreed to tow the car out but they want police authorization via a release document.
I told our mutual friend (car owner) to get in touch with the police and take responsibility. I don't want this to become a criminal case so I hope he doesn't claim that I took the car without his consent in an effort to free himself. But I need for him to get the release documents as the towing company needs them to release the vehicle so I can pay that bill.
Now the question is, he is out of town. If he gets subpoenaed to come to court for the 'permitting vehicle to be operated without insurance' offense, does he have to fly into town? Or can I hire a lawyer for him to represent him and possibly fight/reduce this charge as well? In that case can the lawyer go to court in his place if he is subpoenaed?
Hi, I am new to the forum. I have been trying to get information off of here and www.ticketcombat.com for my case.
I was given a ticket for going 122km/h in a posted 100km/h zone at Hwy 401 east at Thickson Rd in Whitby ON on April 10th, 2009.
I find this absolutely absurd, since I was in the left most lane of the 401 approximately(within 5km/h) following the speed of traffic in my lane. The guy in…
Hey this is my first ticket so as much information that people can provide will be appreciated. I was making the drive home going around 90kph(in a 80) behind what I knew was an undercover police car. The cop abruptly pulled to the side and pulled back in behind me to pull me over. Now I reduced my speed to below 80 when the cop pulled to the side but he claimed he had me clocked at 109kph and…
On Wednesday I attended court at 1530 Markham Road, courtroom E2, in order to fight my speeding ticket. My original plan was to plead not guilty, and to watch all the people who went before me, the process, the Prosecutor and the Justice Of The Peace so I could strategize and form the best plan for my defence at trial. I had done some research online and sort of knew I wanted to defend myself,…
About 5 months ago I was driving along a two-way road approaching an intersection. The road had a left/ straight turning lane and a right turning lane. There was an 18 wheel gravel truck occupying the left lane at a red light. I pulled behind the truck intending to drive straight. After not moving for about 1 second, I check my rear view mirror, signaled and changed lanes to the right…
I am currently working for an auto parts delivery company and they contracted me to work as a courier.
As I left my base to make my first delivery which was less than 300 meters away from the shop, I had my seat belt off because i was under the impression, according to Section 106 Exception #6 subsection (c) of the highway traffic act, that I would be exempted from the seat belt law. The rule…
Got a ticket yesterday for "Insecure Load" contrary to HTA Sec 111(2). $160. I was pulling a utility trailer in which I had loaded a steel and wood cabinet. Total length of cabinet is 57.5". 14.75" (1/4 of the cabinet) was sticking out over the side of the trailer at about a 45 degree angle, the rest (3/4) was inside the trailer. The trailer has sides 24" high. I didn't have a tie-down or bungee…
I've been researching for months for defence strategy and basic trial information regarding my speeding ticket. However, the information is so conflicting that I have no confidence whatsoever that I know what I'm doing.
I didn't get this info from a friend of a friend, it came from this website, court officials, case laws, and a consultation with a traffic ticket fighting company.
So I was driving east bound pulling an empty tandem trailer on a gravel highway. Eventually I caught up to a truck pulling a fifth wheel. The speed limit was 70km/h and I don't quite remember but I'm almost 100% that the guy in front of me was driving at 60km/h. After being behind him for a few kilometers and getting two cracks in my windshield from rocks off his tires, I decided to pass him. I…
I have been driving for over 10 years without any tickets and accidents what so ever. Unfortunately my luck ran out this past Friday; when the officer pulled me over doing 80 in a 50 zone in Mississauga, Ontario. Officer was very friendly and polite not to mention nice enough to reduce the charge to 15KM.
On the speeding ticket it now says doing 65km in a 50 zone. Never having a speeding…
hi everyone im just wondering if its right for a cop to have my car impounded and give me a traffic ticket for improper plates when my car didnt leave my property, yes i knew the plates werent to my car but on private property it dont matter aslong as it dosent go onto public property. am i right with this that i shouldnt have gotten the ticket or my car impounded?????????????
Have been busy and haven't had much time to follow up on this...
Went to court having not received disclosure (and was not organized enough to apply for a stay), so the trial was adjourned. They photocopied the officer's ticket and notes and provided a log sheet from the plane. I've sent another request for the rest of the disclosure items.
So here's my question -- can an officer amend the ticket…
Hi guys, I got pulled over last night and was ticketed with HTA 172, I was going 157 on a 100 on 400N and was wondering what I should do. I was using cruise control but the guy in the lane to my left was driving into my lane irresponsibly to I sped up to get ahead of him and just my luck that's when an OPP cruiser pulled up behind me flashing his lights. My court date is at the end of the month…
If anyone can answer this I would greatly appreciate it.
Friday morning I checked my mail and received a letter from the MTO stating that under section 47(1) of the HTA the Registrar of Motor Vehicles has decided to suspend my driving privilege for medical reasons. This was due to a report submitted by a physician in compliance with section 203 of the HTA. Enclosed with that letter were forms to…
Ok so looking for some advice in regards to my wife's speeding ticket 120k in 100 (I was in vehicle so witnessed most - but was resting at initial clock.)
whats the likelihood of positive outcome of an 11b (or an officer no show, which I suspect doesn't really happen as much as web/Ads would have you believe) of 8months.
Wife REALLY doesn't want to go, and of course I'm the one doing all of the…
I know I shouldn't have driving but I slept at my buddies' place and I thought I was ok to drive in the morning.. needless to say I still drove and got pulled over.
Background details:
I was pulled over in the morning last week, apparently going 120 km/hr on 90km Northbound DVP. Two cop cars tailed me for a bit, saw them in my rearview mirror while on the left lane, slowed down to…
I got two tickets on Feb 20 2011. One for red light, and the other for Stop sign. I knew I had a good chance at getting off on the red light, because the officer couldn't actually see the light facing me. He was at an opposite angle, further up the street.
I set a court date for both tickets. On April 22 I moved to a new place. I went to the Service Ontario location and renewed my licence…
Winnipeg's police officers have been told to issue more traffic tickets, in part to increase revenue.
And a union representing cops says the move could hurt their efforts to curb the city's gang violence.
Police Chief Keith McCaskill said last night he -- and he alone, without input from Mayor Sam Katz -- recently made the call to patrolling officers and to those in specialized units to step up…
I'm wondering if anyone could enlighten me on what to do about the following scenario:
I was pulled over by a YRP constable because I only had one front head light working. Upon being pulled over, I also realized my insurance card was expired by one month and my car permit was not on me at all. (It doesn't matter now but my valid insurance card was sitting at home in an envelope…
I have a wicked prosecutor in my area, he is an evil man and will lie and cheat, whatever is necessary for him to win. I got a yellow light infraction ticket and the cop was a no show. I requested the charge dismissed and it went like this:
Me: I request the charge be dismissed because the officer is not here
Prosecutor: No, we are going to adjourn the trial so the officer can attend
Accident happened at a regular intersection with turning lanes and lights. I was turning left. The light turned yellow, and the car approaching sped up to make the light. I thought he was stopping, so i made the turn. At the time of the collision the light was red.
I understand that it is my fault. I'm just wondering what my best course of action is.
alright well to get started ive developed a passion for longboarding
for those of you who dont already know a longboard is a big skateboard too heavy for tricks and stuff but boy can they ever go fast
my hobbies include going up the escarpment here in hamilton and stoney creek and riding down the roads leading to the lower part of the city. just wondering here. what would happen if i was going down…
My court date is nearing at old city hall at appeals court.
iwhats going to happen and what do i do?
do I present my certificate of offence and point out to the judge the fine was incorrect, I did not appear and am now appealing on the grounds the Justice of the peace erred and failed to quash the ticket on the basis of the certificate not being properly examined and is not complete and regular on…