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Why not just increase the fine to cover court costs and a late fee on top of that ? Why the need to suspend their licence for such a small offence ? It's entirely unjustified.

Well you never paid the small fine so why would you pay the increased fine? The suspension is an inducement that forced you to pay the fines so i would say it worked ...

Not really I have managed to drive for the last 25 years, and yes I have gotten tickets(lots of them) and i have always managed to pay them and not get m DL suspended...

The alternative is we could go like the USA and just issue warrants for unpaid tickets and haul people off to jail.

OPS

Whether you think the suspension is to severe or not does not matter. HTA tickets not paid result in suspended tickets do matter the cost.

You knew you got the ticket and Chose to not pay it or fight it. The predicament you are in is purely a result of your decisions.

You could try and get it re-opened and fight it but I have not that work when ...

It is actually quite easy to see some one not wearing a seatbelt...even from 20 meters.

yes the police can come onto your property with out permission. He is in lawful execution of his duties.

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That is unless he saw him not wearing his seatbelt on the road as STOPPED him in the driveway..

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Someone Brake checks it is fairly obvious. Usually there is road rage or they do it in an area that has no turn offs... I have charged two times under the criminal code and both were convicted. This is something that I do not *EDIT* around with.

You will not get an HTA charge and I will go straight to criminal charges. Even if there is no accident ...

Because you did not speed in the past has no bearing on your speeding now. You admit here you were speeding. No where in the HTA does it say you can speed. IF you think someone is to close slow down and pull right and let the car go by.

Get disclosure and go from there.
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Charge only has to be laid within that time frame. If part of your judgment includes a Dl suspension then it shall be. If you chose to not pay the fine then it will be suspended for non-payment...

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1. Does not have to unless you ask and even then as long as the cop can explain why it was not locked in it is still valid

2.big deal...No bearing

3. No radars work in one direction at a time...Or he may have used LIDAR

4. again So...People with clean records speed..

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No...A Dl that is surrendered stays..say you surrender and then come back in 5 years. you do not get a new dl..They re-issue the same DL number so suspension stays..

You may surrender the DL but the number stays attached to you

Plus if you get a license from another jurisdiction and drive in Ontario you are still suspended as the DL number is ...

This brand new officer has more than likely been on the job for 8 or mor months.

Pre police college at OPP hq

Police college 13 weeks

Post police college at HQ

OJ training riding with a coach officer


Being on the job 3 day really has no bearing. If you are trained to lay criminal charges you can also lay HTA ones.

Like it or not the officer ...

It is highway traffic act offense. You will never be given a persons criminal record. In fact for a criminal code offense you will never get a person criminal record. Nor should you. You also will not be given a persons address.

Not sure where people think they should have access to this but I have seen this crop up more frequently in the last ...

[quote="yamahaR6"]The missing disclosure I requested are:

1. The officer's training record and certification related to use of radar units.

Won't get. Officer will testify if they are qualified or not. That is all that is required

2. Calibration record of laser unit.

Won't get. Tests of calibration are done before stop and after stop.

3 ...

Question 1: Yes

question 2: Yes can be seen by any TPS members but that is it. Not seen by insurance. Just an in house record

question 3:You seemed to know they were police so that is goo enough. Not sure where there is a written protcol on stopping a car. Yet you are the second person say that there is. As for pvt property. There were there for ...

criminal code charge questions= ask your lawyer.

I am not sure any of us a versed in Michigan criminal/highway laws as to what is a vehicle and what is not.

OPS Copper

Insurance charges are the easiest for us to charge and prosecutors to win.

We charge based on no or expired card or statements.. The owner now has to prove they had insurance.

Not sure what opening or disclosure would bring you. It is not a gray area. You either had insurance or you did not.

I am willing to bet that there is more than a 5k fine ...

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Ontario+court+upholds+racing/2697987/story.html

ORONTO — The Ontario Court of Appeal has upheld the provinces controversial stunt racing law that includes potential jail sentences for speeding more than 50 kilometres per hour over the limit.

The ruling issued Thursday overturns a lower court decision and states ...

Oh where to begin

HTA

33. (1) Every driver of a motor vehicle or street car shall carry his or her licence with him or her at all times while he or she is in charge of a motor vehicle or street car and shall surrender the licence for reasonable inspection upon the demand of a police officer or officer appointed for carrying out the provisions of ...

The courts have no control over demerit points. You plead guilty to offense MTO applies the points. So Yes it would show on our record.

OPS

No it just means that the officer wrote the wrong incident number down and then it was corrected. The incident number you got on the original could be for anything.

Happens all the time as we regularly have more than one incident open that we are working on.

OPS

"This allegation surely does not meet the required elements of the charge."

It sure does if it is a criminal code suspension. Criminal code suspensions are an "anywhere" offense.

The officer may have run the plate and noticed that it came back to a person who is suspended under the criminal code. Happens all the time.

OPS

here 3rd offense for driving under suspension usually equals jail time.

Since you did not have ID i bet the address he used is one relating to suspension.


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That is what I meant by Insurance blame. I Just could not remember what it was called.

Insurance world is weird. All I can say is what happened to me. I was in my own vehicle on Carleton Campus and guy runs a stop sign. He was blamed for collision and I paid no part of my deductible. So based on that he was at fault.

OPS copper

Plus insurance blame is different than HTA blame. You can be sure that if you are not stopping at a stop sign and cause a collision you may not get a ticket. But the report will reflect that you are clearly at fault. In my experience you will be blamed fully for the collisions.( this is from a personal collision I had in PVt property. Other guy did ...

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and a manual:seems this is dependant on prosecutor. some give manual some only give relevant parts

All parts are relevant

Perhaps but Seems that prosecutors are all doing different things when it comes to this....

OPS

Hey all,

for the following on the disclosure:
copy of the police officers notes: Will get

copy of both sides of the officers copy of the ticket with some tickets there is nothing on the back. With our e-ticketing there is no back

typed version of any hand written notes: will only get if you cannot read officers notes

statements made by the ...

Plus you knew you were suspended as it sounds like a ADLS for Refusal or failed Breath test.

Our job is to prove you were the driver. You will need to prove you were not...


Like Bear this is one of the few slam dunks for POA court.

OPS

I believe it is two days after all fines and fees have been paid.

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Not to get into my case any further but I'll literally only had a beer or two over a period of 4 hours. I know I was fine... I truly believe that that apple fritter at tim hortons actually might have gave a false positive. Anyhow, I appreciate your input on the licence screw up.

Thanks.

If you get a lawyer to run with this defense you will be ...

Nope its just an error that can easily be explained away...If you had a 1 piece license you would still be here with no ID.

Plus the ADSL has noting to do with guilt or innocence with impaired driving...So it has no bearing on the criminal code. If you are found not guilty the suspension does not go away...

A D.D is supposed to drink nothing ...