My dad owns a 2009 Infiniti G37 Coupe, It's his car, not mine, he's the only one on the registration and insurance. Recently he went on 3 month trip overseas and gave me full permission to use the car while he's away. The problem is i live in Toronto and he's from Hamilton and the car is registered in Hamilton. I'm getting a lot of heat from the police while driving the car around Toronto, they stop me, check the car is not stolen, i have been pulled over 6 times since Halloween. I got sick and tired of being profiled and stopped so during the latest traffic stop I provided the officer with my license, registration and insurance but kept completely silent when he asked the obvious questions of " who's car is this?" This made him extremely agitated and he threatened to tow the car away and have it impounded if I didn't speak to him and answer his questions. The thought of my dad's car being towed got me scared so I talked and was on my way within minutes. So my question is: If I invoke my constitutional rights under the charter to not talk to the police, however provide them any documents they request, can they tow my dad's car away because they couldn't verify I had permission to drive it?
My dad owns a 2009 Infiniti G37 Coupe, It's his car, not mine, he's the only one on the registration and insurance.
Recently he went on 3 month trip overseas and gave me full permission to use the car while he's away. The problem is i live in Toronto and he's from Hamilton and the car is registered in Hamilton.
I'm getting a lot of heat from the police while driving the car around Toronto, they stop me, check the car is not stolen, i have been pulled over 6 times since Halloween. I got sick and tired of being profiled and stopped so during the latest traffic stop I provided the officer with my license, registration and insurance but kept completely silent when he asked the obvious questions of " who's car is this?" This made him extremely agitated and he threatened to tow the car away and have it impounded if I didn't speak to him and answer his questions. The thought of my dad's car being towed got me scared so I talked and was on my way within minutes.
So my question is: If I invoke my constitutional rights under the charter to not talk to the police, however provide them any documents they request, can they tow my dad's car away because they couldn't verify I had permission to drive it?
The question is do you have proof the owner is your dad and not just some guy with the same last name? Young guys in fast cars can sometimes cause problems and I'm not saying you are a problem. If the issue of the police is bothering you you can file a complaint with the TPS. If the traffic stops continue after that then you have harassment case.
The question is do you have proof the owner is your dad and not just some guy with the same last name?
Young guys in fast cars can sometimes cause problems and I'm not saying you are a problem. If the issue of the police is bothering you you can file a complaint with the TPS. If the traffic stops continue after that then you have harassment case.
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
Initially i didn't, however he has faxed me over a signed letter stating i have permission to use his vehicle. I just don't understand why i have to go to such extreme as providing a officer a letter from the original owner to prove i'm not a car thief. I would be really interested to read where in the HTA it stays that i must prove i have permission to drive someone else vehicle, shouldn't my comments to the cops be enough. Under the OHTA can the police tow away a vehicle if the driver refuses to confirm they have permission to drive the vehicle? Or in my case just keeping silent.
Reflections wrote:
The question is do you have proof the owner is your dad and not just some guy with the same last name?
Initially i didn't, however he has faxed me over a signed letter stating i have permission to use his vehicle.
I just don't understand why i have to go to such extreme as providing a officer a letter from the original owner to prove i'm not a car thief. I would be really interested to read where in the HTA it stays that i must prove i have permission to drive someone else vehicle, shouldn't my comments to the cops be enough.
Under the OHTA can the police tow away a vehicle if the driver refuses to confirm they have permission to drive the vehicle? Or in my case just keeping silent.
and people never ever lie to the police it then goes into criminal investigation, to see if the person driving "has taken a motor vehicle without consent". Which does happen more often than many think.....parents are asleep or out of town and teen takes their vehicle for a joy ride. Raises more concern that the driver address does not match the address of the owner. So the owner would try to be located by phone, or have a cruiser or another police service try and locate the owner. If the search for the owner is going to be extensive, then hold onto the vehicle. Simply, keep the insurance, ownership and the letter with you and present it when stopped.
nexxen90 wrote:
shouldn't my comments to the cops be enough.
and people never ever lie to the police
Under the OHTA can the police tow away a vehicle if the driver refuses to confirm they have permission to drive the vehicle? Or in my case just keeping silent.
it then goes into criminal investigation, to see if the person driving "has taken a motor vehicle without consent". Which does happen more often than many think.....parents are asleep or out of town and teen takes their vehicle for a joy ride. Raises more concern that the driver address does not match the address of the owner.
So the owner would try to be located by phone, or have a cruiser or another police service try and locate the owner. If the search for the owner is going to be extensive, then hold onto the vehicle.
Simply, keep the insurance, ownership and the letter with you and present it when stopped.
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
This is why the officers word is trusted before a civilian...... The issue being raised here is: Why would nexxen90 be pulled over 6 times since Halloween???? Make some notes on the questions you are being asked and see if they are the same over and over. The officers usually are just doing their jobs, but they could be over doing it.
hwybear wrote:
and people never ever lie to the police
This is why the officers word is trusted before a civilian......
The issue being raised here is: Why would nexxen90 be pulled over 6 times since Halloween????
Make some notes on the questions you are being asked and see if they are the same over and over. The officers usually are just doing their jobs, but they could be over doing it.
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
you could try and go into a station and tell them about your situation.... depending on who's working the desk they could put a note on locals about it....
you could try and go into a station and tell them about your situation.... depending on who's working the desk they could put a note on locals about it....
- also could be several different shifts and a different officer assigned to a zone each time. - maybe there is high break and enters in this area and then a vehicle registered "out of town" is there?
Reflections wrote:
The issue being raised here is: Why would nexxen90 be pulled over 6 times since Halloween????
Make some notes on the questions you are being asked and see if they are the same over and over. The officers usually are just doing their jobs, but they could be over doing it.
- also could be several different shifts and a different officer assigned to a zone each time.
- maybe there is high break and enters in this area and then a vehicle registered "out of town" is there?
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
Don't ever try that! Like Bear said the cop has many reasons to suspect you. He can also make up any probable cause to impound your car, so do what he asks. Do not challenge a police officer, a good officer may turn into a bad apple if being challenged. If you insist to invoke your constitutional rights, make sure you have your lawyer's number handy.
nexxen90 wrote:
So my question is: If I invoke my constitutional rights under the charter to not talk to the police, however provide them any documents they request, can they tow my dad's car away because they couldn't verify I had permission to drive it?
Don't ever try that! Like Bear said the cop has many reasons to suspect you.
He can also make up any probable cause to impound your car, so do what he asks. Do not challenge a police officer, a good officer may turn into a bad apple if being challenged.
If you insist to invoke your constitutional rights, make sure you have your lawyer's number handy.
Excellent Question! Just came back from school (studying at U of T) and it happened again, pulled over the moment i got off the DVP. This time i had the letter and handed it to the cop, she stilled asked me to step outside the vehicle while her partner decided to walk around the car and examine if i had any suspicious things. This time they were actually very polite and understanding, still doesn't excuse the traffic stop. I'm going try install a video camera in the car and start recording this traffic stops, put them on youtube, maybe just maybe if i flex my constitutional rights and talk back i might document something interesting.
Reflections wrote:
The issue being raised here is: Why would nexxen90 be pulled over 6 times since Halloween????.
Excellent Question!
Just came back from school (studying at U of T) and it happened again, pulled over the moment i got off the DVP. This time i had the letter and handed it to the cop, she stilled asked me to step outside the vehicle while her partner decided to walk around the car and examine if i had any suspicious things. This time they were actually very polite and understanding, still doesn't excuse the traffic stop. I'm going try install a video camera in the car and start recording this traffic stops, put them on youtube, maybe just maybe if i flex my constitutional rights and talk back i might document something interesting.
What part of Toronto are you living in? In some neighbourhoods, a university-aged guy driving a 2009 Infiniti G37 is going to get a lot of attention from the cops. If you don't mind me asking, what colour is the car? Does it have any slight window tinting? The reason I ask is that the G37 and some cars similar to it are known to be driven by gang members and drug traffickers in Toronto, specifically in parts of Scarborough, Keele/Eglinton, Jamestown and Jane/Finch. They are also uber-hot theft targets, usually to be sold to the same people. There is a possibility that, for whatever reason, a flag was put on the licence plate. Any of those reasons may be the "trigger" behind the repetitive traffic stops. Example: I live in Scarborough. One of my neighbours drives a black BMW. He's in his late 20s but looks younger. He's got money because he's some sort of computer animation guru with a film production company. He gets stopped all the time... and I mean, ALL the time, but it's pretty much limited to when he's in Scarborough and not so much around where he works.
nexxen90 wrote:
I'm getting a lot of heat from the police while driving the car around Toronto, they stop me, check the car is not stolen, i have been pulled over 6 times since Halloween.
What part of Toronto are you living in? In some neighbourhoods, a university-aged guy driving a 2009 Infiniti G37 is going to get a lot of attention from the cops. If you don't mind me asking, what colour is the car? Does it have any slight window tinting?
The reason I ask is that the G37 and some cars similar to it are known to be driven by gang members and drug traffickers in Toronto, specifically in parts of Scarborough, Keele/Eglinton, Jamestown and Jane/Finch. They are also uber-hot theft targets, usually to be sold to the same people. There is a possibility that, for whatever reason, a flag was put on the licence plate. Any of those reasons may be the "trigger" behind the repetitive traffic stops.
Example: I live in Scarborough. One of my neighbours drives a black BMW. He's in his late 20s but looks younger. He's got money because he's some sort of computer animation guru with a film production company. He gets stopped all the time... and I mean, ALL the time, but it's pretty much limited to when he's in Scarborough and not so much around where he works.
probable cause Is that not gone now, replaced by reasonable and probable grounds? And the 2 actualy have a slight different meaning? Or am i backwards?
nexxen90 wrote:
He can also make up any probable cause
probable cause
Is that not gone now, replaced by reasonable and probable grounds? And the 2 actualy have a slight different meaning? Or am i backwards?
I would just ask him if it was reported stolen? If not, "Am I free to go now? I have better things to do than sit here being overtaken by all those slow motorists I worked so hard at passing!" ...yadda, yadda, yadda... Then from jail, I would call my lawyer! :P
I would just ask him if it was reported stolen? If not, "Am I free to go now? I have better things to do than sit here being overtaken by all those slow motorists I worked so hard at passing!"
I find it difficult to believe, in a City the size of Toronto that you are being "targeted" as you suggest. There has to be some reason you are continually getting stopped. It could be your driving, could be something you or your friends are involved in or any number of other things. Funny thing, if your Dad's car was stolen you'd be pretty happy the car was continually being stopped. Sounds to me like you are looking for a confrontation with Police by your statement and your previous actions of "remaining silent" which didn't work out too well for you. I can assure you, your efforts to try and antagonize an officer to elicit an unprofessional response will likely produce the same poor results.
I find it difficult to believe, in a City the size of Toronto that you are being "targeted" as you suggest. There has to be some reason you are continually getting stopped. It could be your driving, could be something you or your friends are involved in or any number of other things.
Funny thing, if your Dad's car was stolen you'd be pretty happy the car was continually being stopped.
maybe just maybe if i flex my constitutional rights and talk back i might document something interesting.
Sounds to me like you are looking for a confrontation with Police by your statement and your previous actions of "remaining silent" which didn't work out too well for you. I can assure you, your efforts to try and antagonize an officer to elicit an unprofessional response will likely produce the same poor results.
Ah yes, blame me, surely the police are right all the time, I must be doing something wrong? Why would I waste my time posting on a public forum if knew the reason I was getting pulled over, I came here to ask for help, not be accused of being a criminal in disguise. Exercising my legal rights to remain silent is now considering "confrontation with Police"? Installing a video camera as an impartial witness in my dealings with the cops is confrontation with police? I find it sad that you consider anyone who stands up for their charter of rights and respects the law is considered, in your eyes, someone thats looking for trouble. I live near U of T downtown, townhouse i share with 2 other students, however i work near Finch Ave W and Weston Rd area, i have been pulled over mostly in that area. The car is black with factory tinted windows, also has aftermarket dark color rims, looks like ghost at night lol.
cruzmisl wrote:
could be something you or your friends are involved in or any number of other things.
Ah yes, blame me, surely the police are right all the time, I must be doing something wrong?
Why would I waste my time posting on a public forum if knew the reason I was getting pulled over, I came here to ask for help, not be accused of being a criminal in disguise.
cruzmisl wrote:
Sounds to me like you are looking for a confrontation with Police by your statement and your previous actions of "remaining silent". I can assure you, your efforts to try and antagonize an officer to elicit an unprofessional response will likely produce the same poor results.
Exercising my legal rights to remain silent is now considering "confrontation with Police"? Installing a video camera as an impartial witness in my dealings with the cops is confrontation with police? I find it sad that you consider anyone who stands up for their charter of rights and respects the law is considered, in your eyes, someone thats looking for trouble.
Radar Identified wrote:
What part of Toronto are you living in?.
I live near U of T downtown, townhouse i share with 2 other students, however i work near Finch Ave W and Weston Rd area, i have been pulled over mostly in that area.
Radar Identified wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, what colour is the car? Does it have any slight window tinting?
The car is black with factory tinted windows, also has aftermarket dark color rims, looks like ghost at night lol.
I said "could" and never accused you of anything. If you are going to record a conversation and "talk back" you are undoubtedly going to provoke a confrontation. You are doing this in hopes of posting it on youtube and the like to reduce the credibility of the Police Service you are dealing with. Based on your response I can see why you are stopped all the time. BTW no car comes with factory tinted windows. If your side windows are tinted you can be pulled over anytime, regardless of how dark the tint is.
could be something you or your friends are involved in or any number of other things.
I said "could" and never accused you of anything.
maybe just maybe if i flex my constitutional rights and talk back i might document something interesting
If you are going to record a conversation and "talk back" you are undoubtedly going to provoke a confrontation. You are doing this in hopes of posting it on youtube and the like to reduce the credibility of the Police Service you are dealing with.
Based on your response I can see why you are stopped all the time.
BTW no car comes with factory tinted windows. If your side windows are tinted you can be pulled over anytime, regardless of how dark the tint is.
My car has factory tinted windows. It's not a film and cannot be removed. You can be pulled over any time, regardless of anything. The police may pull over anyone driving or seen driving on a public road to check that documents are in order.
cruzmisl wrote:
BTW no car comes with factory tinted windows. If your side windows are tinted you can be pulled over anytime, regardless of how dark the tint is.
My car has factory tinted windows. It's not a film and cannot be removed.
You can be pulled over any time, regardless of anything. The police may pull over anyone driving or seen driving on a public road to check that documents are in order.
You could politely ask the officer why you are getting pulled over so much. Explain nicely that you are just a nice fellow in a nice car but you have been pulled over X times in X weeks and see what transpires. If the officers computer has a red flag on your plate, then they must be able to "green Flag" it somehow. Once again notes and or your camera would help. Toronto did have that whole racial profiling going on and I have a doubt that it has been fully removed from all the officer's minds.
You could politely ask the officer why you are getting pulled over so much. Explain nicely that you are just a nice fellow in a nice car but you have been pulled over X times in X weeks and see what transpires. If the officers computer has a red flag on your plate, then they must be able to "green Flag" it somehow. Once again notes and or your camera would help. Toronto did have that whole racial profiling going on and I have a doubt that it has been fully removed from all the officer's minds.
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Now the picture is clear: Plus This is why you are being pulled over so much. Confrontation or not, unfortunately the type of vehicle you are driving, the fact that your licence plate is registered to a residence in Hamilton (far distance), you are a young male, and you are out driving around in the Finch & Weston area basically combines to be a red flag. Same thing happens to my neighbour. Next time you do get pulled over: +1.
Now the picture is clear:
nexxen90 wrote:
I live near U of T downtown, townhouse i share with 2 other students, however i work near Finch Ave W and Weston Rd area, i have been pulled over mostly in that area.
Plus
nexxen90 wrote:
The car is black with factory tinted windows, also has aftermarket dark color rims
This is why you are being pulled over so much. Confrontation or not, unfortunately the type of vehicle you are driving, the fact that your licence plate is registered to a residence in Hamilton (far distance), you are a young male, and you are out driving around in the Finch & Weston area basically combines to be a red flag. Same thing happens to my neighbour.
Next time you do get pulled over:
Reflections wrote:
You could politely ask the officer why you are getting pulled over so much.
Plus This is why you are being pulled over so much. Confrontation or not, unfortunately the type of vehicle you are driving, the fact that your licence plate is registered to a residence in Hamilton (far distance), you are a young male, and you are out driving around in the Finch & Weston area basically combines to be a red flag. Same thing happens to my neighbour. Next time you do get pulled over: +1. Thanks a lot Radar, i think your right. I have only been in Toronto for 18 months so haven't had a grasp of the "high risk" neighborhoods yet. Come to think of it, if i was cop i would be very suspicious of a car like that as-well, and getting off work at near midnight doesn't help either. I honestly don't think it has anything with race, more with "community profiling" more crime, more cops, more stops and unfortunately i got caught in the middle.
Radar Identified wrote:
Now the picture is clear:
nexxen90 wrote:
I live near U of T downtown, townhouse i share with 2 other students, however i work near Finch Ave W and Weston Rd area, i have been pulled over mostly in that area.
Plus
nexxen90 wrote:
The car is black with factory tinted windows, also has aftermarket dark color rims
This is why you are being pulled over so much. Confrontation or not, unfortunately the type of vehicle you are driving, the fact that your licence plate is registered to a residence in Hamilton (far distance), you are a young male, and you are out driving around in the Finch & Weston area basically combines to be a red flag. Same thing happens to my neighbour.
Next time you do get pulled over:
Reflections wrote:
You could politely ask the officer why you are getting pulled over so much.
+1.
Thanks a lot Radar, i think your right.
I have only been in Toronto for 18 months so haven't had a grasp of the "high risk" neighborhoods yet.
Come to think of it, if i was cop i would be very suspicious of a car like that as-well, and getting off work at near midnight doesn't help either.
I honestly don't think it has anything with race, more with "community profiling" more crime, more cops, more stops and unfortunately i got caught in the middle.
You get off work at midnight in that area on top of all of that?! If I were a cop I'd be stopping you, too. I think that we may have found the answer behind all of the stops. Truthfully, I doubt that the police are targeting you, I don't think it's anything personal - just a rather unfortunate combination of circumstances. However, if I were in your situation, the next time I get stopped I'd mention, politely, that "I've been pulled over six times in the past twelve days, is there something I should know about? Have I been flagged?" Or you could visit a police station and ask them (again, politely) the same sort of question, just in case there is something else.
You get off work at midnight in that area on top of all of that?! If I were a cop I'd be stopping you, too. I think that we may have found the answer behind all of the stops. Truthfully, I doubt that the police are targeting you, I don't think it's anything personal - just a rather unfortunate combination of circumstances. However, if I were in your situation, the next time I get stopped I'd mention, politely, that "I've been pulled over six times in the past twelve days, is there something I should know about? Have I been flagged?" Or you could visit a police station and ask them (again, politely) the same sort of question, just in case there is something else.
There are compelling reasons why the vehicle would raise suspicion, but can someone please tell me if there is a record of when a licence # has been pulled over? If so, then surely the office next pulling over the vehicle knows this when they punch in the licence #? At some point, it becomes unreasonable. I think this "some point" has come to pass. I would go to my nearest detachment and voice my concerns and ask for a note to be placed on file, if possible. This many times in such a short period, if it were happening to me, would be worrisome, and as a citizen sharing the road with others, with no criminal record or associations, I would consider it harassment if it didn't stop and file a complaint with the board. I am appreciative of Metro doing their job as is obvious here, but now it is overkill and the OP needs to be left in peace. He's earned it, and surely, there has been enough police contact to know that his story checks out. Unless of course, something very crucial to this story has been omitted.
There are compelling reasons why the vehicle would raise suspicion, but can someone please tell me if there is a record of when a licence # has been pulled over? If so, then surely the office next pulling over the vehicle knows this when they punch in the licence #?
At some point, it becomes unreasonable. I think this "some point" has come to pass. I would go to my nearest detachment and voice my concerns and ask for a note to be placed on file, if possible. This many times in such a short period, if it were happening to me, would be worrisome, and as a citizen sharing the road with others, with no criminal record or associations, I would consider it harassment if it didn't stop and file a complaint with the board. I am appreciative of Metro doing their job as is obvious here, but now it is overkill and the OP needs to be left in peace. He's earned it, and surely, there has been enough police contact to know that his story checks out.
Unless of course, something very crucial to this story has been omitted.
Some developments: Instead of walking into the Police station and Voicing my concerns with a low level officer I decided to write a 2 page Essay of my experiences with 31 Division portal cops titled " Suspicion vs. Abuse of Power : The Failure of 31 Division" and paid Canada Post to hand deliver it to Unit Commander: Superintendent, 2nd in Charge: Inspector and the Toronto Star, I made sure the cops clearly saw that cc. was the Toronto Star. I expressed the letter on Canada post with their "priority next am" service. In the letter I criticized the police for their unprofessional nature, harassment and pointless frequent stops. I honestly didn't think the letter would do anything, at approximately 2:18pm this afternoon, my cell phone rings and caller ID says " Toronto Police", to my surprise my letter reached the Unit Commander and he wanted to discuss my concerns, he kept emphasizing that his goal was to make sure that public had confidence in his division and he was alarmed I sent a copy to the Toronto Star. We had a good 20 minute talk and he admitted that his officers where " over-doing" their jobs and he would personally request that they lay off me, if they don't have strong suspicion of wrong doing. Overall he sounded sincere and we'll see what happens, haven't been pulled over yet. The cops followed me last night on Finch East towards Hwy 400 south but no traffic stop, I guess the Unit Commander's orders to leave me alone was obeyed.
Some developments:
Instead of walking into the Police station and Voicing my concerns with a low level officer I decided to write a 2 page Essay of my experiences with 31 Division portal cops titled " Suspicion vs. Abuse of Power : The Failure of 31 Division" and paid Canada Post to hand deliver it to Unit Commander: Superintendent, 2nd in Charge: Inspector and the Toronto Star, I made sure the cops clearly saw that cc. was the Toronto Star. I expressed the letter on Canada post with their "priority next am" service.
In the letter I criticized the police for their unprofessional nature, harassment and pointless frequent stops. I honestly didn't think the letter would do anything, at approximately 2:18pm this afternoon, my cell phone rings and caller ID says " Toronto Police", to my surprise my letter reached the Unit Commander and he wanted to discuss my concerns, he kept emphasizing that his goal was to make sure that public had confidence in his division and he was alarmed I sent a copy to the Toronto Star. We had a good 20 minute talk and he admitted that his officers where " over-doing" their jobs and he would personally request that they lay off me, if they don't have strong suspicion of wrong doing. Overall he sounded sincere and we'll see what happens, haven't been pulled over yet.
The cops followed me last night on Finch East towards Hwy 400 south but no traffic stop, I guess the Unit Commander's orders to leave me alone was obeyed.
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:shock: You've got the balls of a brass monkey, fella. I congratulate you on the outcome, though the means are not something I would've considered! Yowzers!
You've got the balls of a brass monkey, fella. I congratulate you on the outcome, though the means are not something I would've considered!
For your situation, you did what you had to do. If the officers followed you and did nothing, this is step in the right direction. Your written "essay", haven't used that word in a while, was just what was needed. I judge by your posts here that you are educated to the point of presenting your case with enough vigor, and without derogitory remarks, that you were taken seriously. Well done and keep us posted..
For your situation, you did what you had to do. If the officers followed you and did nothing, this is step in the right direction. Your written "essay", haven't used that word in a while, was just what was needed. I judge by your posts here that you are educated to the point of presenting your case with enough vigor, and without derogitory remarks, that you were taken seriously.
Well done and keep us posted..
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I'm Officially declaring my problem solved! Thank You to everyone that helped me out, my saga of being pulled over is officially over! It's been almost one week and absolutely no traffic stops, no looks, no tailing, nothing! I feel like just a normal "Joe" driving around Toronto. My situation went from being pulled over at least once a day, harassed numerous times, to complete freedom! OHTA Community has served me well, thank you!
admin wrote:
Great Job man! That's the way to work the system. Public awareness scares them and so do essays!
I'm Officially declaring my problem solved!
Thank You to everyone that helped me out, my saga of being pulled over is officially over! It's been almost one week and absolutely no traffic stops, no looks, no tailing, nothing! I feel like just a normal "Joe" driving around Toronto. My situation went from being pulled over at least once a day, harassed numerous times, to complete freedom!
Don't ever try that! Like Bear said the cop has many reasons to suspect you. He can also make up any probable cause to impound your car, so do what he asks. Do not challenge a police officer, a good officer may turn into a bad apple if being challenged. If you insist to invoke your constitutional rights, make sure you have your lawyer's number handy. Isn't it ironic that someone insinuates that people often lie to the police....then you get told that the cop could ' make up any probable cause to impound your car' What you need to remember is that the police are OUR public servants. Unfortunately they now seem to believe its the other way around. We all still have constitutional rights and have every right to to invoke them. print off a copy of the section you need and carry it with you. Also I would definitely get a camera and audio equipment in your car...it is a necessity these days.... Also I advise more people to take heavy handed cops to task. Start standing up for yourselves, claim your rights and don't put up with the harassment. They are not paid to harass they are paid to protect and serve us...about time they got it right !!!
liveontheedge wrote:
nexxen90 wrote:
So my question is: If I invoke my constitutional rights under the charter to not talk to the police, however provide them any documents they request, can they tow my dad's car away because they couldn't verify I had permission to drive it?
Don't ever try that! Like Bear said the cop has many reasons to suspect you.
He can also make up any probable cause to impound your car, so do what he asks. Do not challenge a police officer, a good officer may turn into a bad apple if being challenged.
If you insist to invoke your constitutional rights, make sure you have your lawyer's number handy.
Isn't it ironic that someone insinuates that people often lie to the police....then you get told that the cop could ' make up any probable cause to impound your car'
What you need to remember is that the police are OUR public servants. Unfortunately they now seem to believe its the other way around.
We all still have constitutional rights and have every right to to invoke them. print off a copy of the section you need and carry it with you. Also I would definitely get a camera and audio equipment in your car...it is a necessity these days....
Also I advise more people to take heavy handed cops to task. Start standing up for yourselves, claim your rights and don't put up with the harassment. They are not paid to harass they are paid to protect and serve us...about time they got it right !!!
Congratulations on the way you handled it, nexxen90. Glad it's worked out as it should. It would be even nicer if the problem had never arisen at all, of course, but we do live in the real world, and stuff happens. Just a thought... have you considered sending a follow-up letter to the same exalted personages, noting what has transpired, and confirming that the problem has gone away, leaving you able to carry on a normal life again (assuming, of course, that it has gone away for good)? Jeez, maybe they'll hire you to head up a civilian review board or something.
Congratulations on the way you handled it, nexxen90. Glad it's worked out as it should. It would be even nicer if the problem had never arisen at all, of course, but we do live in the real world, and stuff happens.
Just a thought... have you considered sending a follow-up letter to the same exalted personages, noting what has transpired, and confirming that the problem has gone away, leaving you able to carry on a normal life again (assuming, of course, that it has gone away for good)? Jeez, maybe they'll hire you to head up a civilian review board or something.
I searched but could not retrieve a satisfactory answer.
It seems matter-of-fact that all sorts of work equipment, namely backhoes, loaders and other similar mororized vehicles without licence plates, sometimes equipped with a slow moving vehicle sign, often not, some with an amber beacon, some without, are encountered on a highway, travelling under their own power, sometimes on multi-lane roads…
Hello everyone I'm not sure if this is the right place to put it but I need some answers as I'm very scared and don't know what to do. Recently if got a Novice Driver B.A.C Above zero I am 23 years old and I'm pretty due to get my G class license in a couple of weeks. I understand that I was wrong for drinking a beer and half and driving with a G2 Class license.
I have been reading Fight Your Traffic Ticket site and have a couple of comments.
I was issued two tickets at the same time, one for invalid left turn (Hwy 7 in Markham and Swansea). Another one, because the officer did not like my copy of registration documents.
I am planning to challenge it in the court. Actually I already submitted the request.
Hi, I have a court date Oct. 21,08 for parking in the fire route of my friends building. How can i get this $100 fine reduced or eliminated? only argument i really have is that visitor parking was full and i went around a few times. I wasn't there for long either.
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I just got a ticket for going right on red fail to stop(114[18])$180. No pedestrians were in the way. I'm not a unsafe driver, so I'm…
My mom received a ticket under OHTA 159(1). She was turning left at an intersection. The light was green and there were no cars in front of her. She entered the intersection and waited for incoming traffic to clear so that she could complete the turn. As she waited, a fire truck with its sirens on was driving from the street onto which she was turning (perpendicular). He honked at her (presumably…
Basically, I was selling the car and I informed the buyer that the car was in not insured at the time.
He bought dealer plates from his work place and assured me that it was fine. We got pulled over by OPP and they asked for our information.
I explained that it was my car and the test driver was working at a dealership with his plates that has insurance, they told us that the plates don't apply
The other day I was given a ticket for speeding 119 in a 90, on highway 17 near Marathon, ON (Speeding ticket capital of the universe, BTW). The officer claims to have "clocked" me using the vehicle mounted radar at 121 KMH and dropped it (presumably to lower fine and demerits).
I was not going that fast, but there was a larger, and faster moving, vehicle behind me, gaining fast (I was driving a…
Location: 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd, Kitchener/ Cambridge.
I was going on 401. When I was approaching the location mentioned at the topic, I tried to over take a truck in front of me, and realized a car tailgating me right after I went out to the fast lane. At first I thought it was some other fast drivers so I just thought that I would go back into the middle…
Hey, i recently got a ticket for failing to stop a red light (Section 114(18)).
I was travelling south, the cop was travelling north. He was on the other side of the intersection then me, my light turned yellow and i tried running it but it turned red before i could cross the line. I was going too fast to be able to stomp the break so i had to run it through.
I'm just curious how long will a Driving while suspended affect my insurance rates? Initially when I got my conviction with DWS my rates went from 180 a month to 390, since then I've had no tickets or even been pulled over and my rates have gone down to 240 since then. I believe it will be 3 years in Sept 2017. Will the DWS affect my insurance for 6 years because thats how long it stays on my…
It's winter, and there's been a cold snap. The highway you are traveling on is wet, but not slippery. You take your exit, but the salt trucks haven't been on this ramp, and despite slowing down to below the recommended speed, your car slips on some black ice, and you find the car rotating clockwise. The car rotates 180 degrees, and slides backwards off the ramp…
So about a month ago I received a stunt/racing charge for going 140 in an 80 zone. I decided to go with a paralegal, and was notified by the paralegal that on the summon's it states to go to a criminal court. The paralegal was confused as this should be at a Provincial court. They said that since I do not have any criminal charges, that the officer wrote the wrong address down including…
I got a careless driving ticket and I was involved in quite a serious accident. I was driving at about 60 km/h arriving towards a stop sign. Unfortunately when I tried to stop, my shoes were sliding off from my foot as they did not have any strap and were perhaps oversized and slippery. I could not stop at the sign and hit a van that had the right of way. Both vehicles were badly damaged and…
In some cases, it takes too long for the Crown to bring a charge against a defendant to trial. If your charge has taken too long to come to trial, you can stop the proceedings by "filing an 11B." This is filing paperwork to bring a motion at your trial, where you essentially say, "my rights to a speedy trial have been violated, and I want the case stopped." It is called an 11B because section…
Hi I'm new to this forum but I hope I'm bringing you all good news.
I recently wrote a book short titled ABUSE OF POWER
This book is all about how the Ontario government broke the law to enact the new street racing legislation.
To start with the denial of the right to remain innocent until proven guilty was enacted without due process under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. How it wasn't done…
I have been caught 3 times driving while suspended for unpaid fines . I have still not paid the fines and did not go to the first 2 court dates. When I was pulled over the second time the police officer said he would put down as it was my first time . But I had to work as I just started a new job. I called in to have the date changed but they said it was to late . So I did not go to court .…
Today I received a hand held device ticket on Gardiner. I was pulled over by the police officer and told i was using my cell phone while driving but i never even touched my cell phone. He told me my hand was not on steering. I am sure i didn't touch the phone. The phone was on the right passenger seat connected to my car. I was using mobile gps which was on dashboard display and never touched…
As the title states, I received a ticket for failing to proceed at a green light. I have gained a lot of knowledge from this site for various things, however even a google search of this ticket doesn't seem to pull up much info. Someone else had made a post about this back in 2009 but my story is quite different.
So I shall explain...
On the night of February 23/2013 I had decided to be the…
Need some advice on reaching a plea deal with the prosecutor and how to go about talking to the crown. I'm not here to be lectured ect. I'm aware I made a mistake, and need advice on fixing it. So kindly keep comments about my impulsive decision to yourself.
Backstory:
I'm 19 with a g2 license. Was going home late at night and decided to go down a road that I knew was smooth with zero traffic so I…
I recently got pulled over and issued a ticket for following too closely and am looking to challenge the charges. However, I will be at school by the trial date. This is significant because I received the ticket in Ottawa (where my family lives), but attend school in Waterloo (almost 6 hours away). I will also be starting co-op this summer and as such likely won't be returning home in order to…
I was charged with careless driving for a one-vehicle accident, and would like to know how to go about pleading not guilty. I was driving on a rural road at night in an 80 kmh zone. I was driving up a hill. At the top of the hill is a 90 degree turn sign (no stop sign, no kmh posted). I hit the brakes too late, and because the road goes downhill and there's a lot of gravel, skidded one or two…
Not sure the right place for this so if it needs to be moved please do so.
I was stopped today for 15 over the speed limit, I gave all the documents to the officer and he said he could not accept a photocopy of my ownership only the original I had a photo copy front and back and I had my plate sticker number with it.
he gave me a ticket for HWY ACT Section 7(5)(a) he said only the original would…
Tonight, I was pulled over for apparently doing 132km in an 80km zone. Although I'd only caught myself doing 120km(yes, still over, I'm aware). After about 30 min of sitting on the side of the road, the officer came over and kindly decided not to take away my license or impound the car on the spot. I did not recieve any fines. He did, however, give me a court date in August. Never mentioning…
I have been a frequent visitor of this site for a while now but I just made an account today to ask a question that I have gotten no real clear cut answer on in the past.
What I'm talking about here is H.I.D. (High Intensity Discharge) Headlight Conversion Kits. For those of you who don't know what they are all about you can just google it and you will receive more than enough…
