Hi. I just got a ticket with the offence indicated as "SPEEDING KM/HR IN A KM/HR ZONE" below said remark Violation of HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT Section 128. This happened in Pickering in a 60km/hr zone early in the morning when I did not notice that I was already speeding over the limit. Actually the police showed me the radar that I went 89km/hr. The police told me that he won't give me a hard time and just set fine of $25 (total payable $40) with no demerit points. I'm just worried that if conviction is made, this will stay in my record and impact my insurance premium. I'm wondering if, during the trial, I could move for the quashal of the offense charged "SPEEDING KM/HR IN A KM/HR ZONE" is unknown to law. And by the way, if I would request for disclosure from the prosecutor, which will show this offense charge, will it not work against me so that the prosecutor equirecan amend the charge. What if during the trial, the witness (police officer) can show evidence of the actual speed registered in the radar and his notes, will this defense of fatal error still work? In addition, what does the signature requirement in the ticket mean? Does it have to be the handwritten signature? The ticket issued me just indicates the police officer's name printed electronically with no handwritten signature and I'm wondering if there is an opportunity to raise fatal error. I'm not sure if this is a case of an electronic signature. I would appreciate your opinion of the matters above. Thanks and regards, Red Cliff
Looks like a fatal error to me so much for computers... Here's a pretty good blurb about it: http://www.ticketcombat.com/step5/quash.php It will be easiest for you to just ignore the ticket though you run a small risk of the JP missing the error and you having to appeal.
Looks like a fatal error to me so much for computers...
@ynotp, thank you. Just a few more... 1. There is nothing in law or the rules of court that says its a contempt to ignore an offence notice, right? 2. In case the JP overlooks the fatal error and places a conviction, will that input and stay automatically in my driving record/history even though I win in the appeal? Or, will the record show what transpired (eg convicted but appealed)? 3. Has there been an instance where, the judge in the appellate court remands the case for trial back to the JP's jurisdiction who rendered the conviction? Thanks, Red
@ynotp, thank you.
Just a few more...
1. There is nothing in law or the rules of court that says its a contempt to ignore an offence notice, right?
2. In case the JP overlooks the fatal error and places a conviction, will that input and stay automatically in my driving record/history even though I win in the
appeal? Or, will the record show what transpired (eg convicted but appealed)?
3. Has there been an instance where, the judge in the appellate court remands the case for trial back to the JP's jurisdiction who rendered the conviction?
Not going to court means you are deemed not to dispute the charge and if the ticket has no errors you will be convicted. Once you are granted appeal successfully the conviction is erased. Yes but not for fatal errors.
Not going to court means you are deemed not to dispute the charge and if the ticket has no errors you will be convicted.
Once you are granted appeal successfully the conviction is erased.
@ynotp: Taking the route of ignoring the ticket: 1. Once I ignore the ticket, and after 15 days from issuance of offence notice, will the conviction be entered on the 16th day? 2. Will I be notified of the conviction (mail)? Usually when can I expect it? 3. When will the fine imposed be usually due after conviction? 4. In case appeal is inevitable, is it something that I will need an expert to help me out with the process? Is there a link to refer to for a step by step appeal process specifically applicable to convictions by non-dispute of charge (by ignoring the ticket) based on fatal error? Thanks again. Regards, Red
@ynotp:
Taking the route of ignoring the ticket:
1. Once I ignore the ticket, and after 15 days from issuance of offence notice, will the conviction be entered on the 16th day?
2. Will I be notified of the conviction (mail)? Usually when can I expect it?
3. When will the fine imposed be usually due after conviction?
4. In case appeal is inevitable, is it something that I will need an expert to help me out with the process? Is there a link to refer
to for a step by step appeal process specifically applicable to convictions by non-dispute of charge (by ignoring the ticket)
Hi, Sorry, I should have asked about this question further earlier altogether... In case the JP decides to quash the proceedings due to certificate being not complete and regular on its face, do I get notified of said decision? Thanks, Red
Hi,
Sorry, I should have asked about this question further earlier altogether... In case the JP decides to quash the proceedings due to certificate being not complete and regular on its face, do I get notified of said decision?
@Red Cliff, check daggx's post about the appeal process: http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com ... tml#p30086 The courts have a generous grace period of ~30-days that gives defendants extra time especially if they're mailing in their tickets. It's your responsibility to contact the court house to monitor the status of your ticket. You have 30 days from the date you're convicted to appeal it.
The courts have a generous grace period of ~30-days that gives defendants extra time especially if they're mailing in their tickets.
It's your responsibility to contact the court house to monitor the status of your ticket. You have 30 days from the date you're convicted to appeal it.
@iFly55: Thanks for your input. One thing, if the JP decides to quash the proceedings due to certificate being not complete and regular on its face, do I get notified of said decision? Regards, Red
@iFly55: Thanks for your input. One thing, if the JP decides to quash the proceedings due to certificate being not complete and regular on its face, do I get notified of said decision?
@AbsoluteTT: Hi Catherine, Thank you for your inputs. So the even if I just ignore the ticket and the JP examines the ticket and finds it incomplete and irregular on its face, he will still have the prosecutor amend the certificate? I'm trying to look at POA Sec 9.2.b which states Action by justice (2) Where a defendant is deemed to not wish to dispute the charge, a justice shall examine the certificate of offence and shall, (a) where the certificate of offence is complete and regular on its face, enter a conviction in the defendants absence and without a hearing and impose the set fine for the offence; or (b) where the certificate of offence is not complete and regular on its face, quash the proceeding. 2009, c. 33, Sched. 4, s. 1 (13) Are you referring to an instance where one request for a trial, showed up and moved to quash the proceedings? I am actually referring to the option of just ignoring the ticket because of offence stated unknown to law as earlier quoted from the ticket "SPEEDING KM/HR IN A KM/HR ZONE". I'd like to know that if the JP decides to quash the proceedings based on the above sec 9.2.b POA, will I be notified that the proceedings has been quashed (eg. by mail)? Regards, Red
@AbsoluteTT:
Hi Catherine,
Thank you for your inputs. So the even if I just ignore the ticket and the JP examines the ticket and finds it incomplete and irregular on its face, he will still have the prosecutor amend the certificate? I'm trying to look at POA Sec 9.2.b which states
Action by justice
(2) Where a defendant is deemed to not wish to dispute the charge, a justice shall examine the certificate of offence and shall,
(a) where the certificate of offence is complete and regular on its face, enter a conviction in the defendants absence and
without a hearing and impose the set fine for the offence; or
(b) where the certificate of offence is not complete and regular on its face, quash the proceeding. 2009, c. 33, Sched. 4, s.
1 (13)
Are you referring to an instance where one request for a trial, showed up and moved to quash the proceedings? I am actually referring to the option of just ignoring the ticket because of offence stated unknown to law as earlier quoted from the ticket "SPEEDING KM/HR IN A KM/HR ZONE". I'd like to know that if the JP decides to quash the proceedings based on the above sec 9.2.b POA, will I be notified that the proceedings has been quashed (eg. by mail)?
I'm going to hazard a guess that Catherine is just trying to drum up business and didn't read your post fully. Your ticket would only be amended at trial.
I'm going to hazard a guess that Catherine is just trying to drum up business and didn't read your post fully. Your ticket would only be amended at trial.
It's your responsibility to contact the court house to monitor the status of your ticket. I don't believe they're lawfully obligated to let you know whether it's quashed by mail. If you're convicted, they may send you a letter with a 'Notice of Fine and Due Date'. If you fail to pay, you'll receive a letter from the MTO that your driver's license was suspended for non-payment. It's in your best interest to exercise due diligence and contact the court house; this is maybe why choosing trial/early-resolution are better options, because you'll know the exact date a JP will have either quashed/convicted your ticket.
It's your responsibility to contact the court house to monitor the status of your ticket. I don't believe they're lawfully obligated to let you know whether it's quashed by mail.
If you're convicted, they may send you a letter with a 'Notice of Fine and Due Date'. If you fail to pay, you'll receive a letter from the MTO that your driver's license was suspended for non-payment.
It's in your best interest to exercise due diligence and contact the court house; this is maybe why choosing trial/early-resolution are better options, because you'll know the exact date a JP will have either quashed/convicted your ticket.
@iFly55: Thanks. I'm just confused. I thought ignoring the ticket is the best solution given the circumstance that the ticket says "SPEEDING KM/HR IN A KM/HR ZONE" Regards, Red
@iFly55: Thanks. I'm just confused. I thought ignoring the ticket is the best solution given the circumstance that the ticket says "SPEEDING KM/HR IN A KM/HR ZONE"
I think ignoring your ticket is the fastest route to victory. If I were you I would wait for 30 days and then if you haven't heard anything by then call the court house and ask about the status of your ticket. If it has been quashed they will tell you, at which point your case is over and you have won. When the quash a ticket they do not send out a written notice so the only way for you to find out is to call. If they tell you it is still pending then thank them and hang up. Wait for another 15 days or so and then call back and check again. If they tell you that a conviction has been entered against you then you will need to prepare your appeal. Although if this happens you will also get a notice of fine and due date in the mail.
I think ignoring your ticket is the fastest route to victory. If I were you I would wait for 30 days and then if you haven't heard anything by then call the court house and ask about the status of your ticket.
If it has been quashed they will tell you, at which point your case is over and you have won. When the quash a ticket they do not send out a written notice so the only way for you to find out is to call.
If they tell you it is still pending then thank them and hang up. Wait for another 15 days or so and then call back and check again.
If they tell you that a conviction has been entered against you then you will need to prepare your appeal. Although if this happens you will also get a notice of fine and due date in the mail.
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