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not going to hijack a thread so starting a new one... I know mine will not be near any of this for quite some time, but how lazy are kids becoming??? - need motorized vehicles - handheld gaming computers - XBOX etc. - cellphone/texting Wonder where bicycling, roller blading and even skateboarding has gone? Where has general atheletic activities gone? (tag, orienteering, hockey, playing 21 - baseball or basketball etc...) no wonder the Canada ranks 35th of all countries at 61% obesity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Canada and YES, I am at the gym over 3 plus times a week and still bicycle about 20k 3-4 times a week.

not going to hijack a thread so starting a new one...

I know mine will not be near any of this for quite some time, but how lazy are kids becoming???

- need motorized vehicles

- handheld gaming computers

- XBOX etc.

- cellphone/texting

Wonder where bicycling, roller blading and even skateboarding has gone? Where has general atheletic activities gone? (tag, orienteering, hockey, playing 21 - baseball or basketball etc...)

no wonder the Canada ranks 35th of all countries at 61% obesity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Canada

and YES, I am at the gym over 3 plus times a week and still bicycle about 20k 3-4 times a week.

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Kids are DEFINITELY more lazy now a days. I am not that old, but when I was a kid, in the 80s and early 90's atleast, I played LOTS of sports and that was it! T.V. was the only other alternative to spend my time (oh, and ofcourse studying :roll: :twisted: ), and I would watch a bit of T.V. every night, which was mostly mind number cartoons. But now I think because of the internet, these kids, spend upto 8 hours a day on internet alone, forget T.V. or radio. They got Facebook! and oh lets not forget www.OHTA.ca :P And YES, these kids are growing up obese. They need to run around playing tag instead of halo 3!

Kids are DEFINITELY more lazy now a days.

I am not that old, but when I was a kid, in the 80s and early 90's atleast, I played LOTS of sports and that was it!

T.V. was the only other alternative to spend my time (oh, and ofcourse studying :roll: :twisted: ), and I would watch a bit of T.V. every night, which was mostly mind number cartoons.

But now I think because of the internet, these kids, spend upto 8 hours a day on internet alone, forget T.V. or radio.

They got Facebook! and oh lets not forget www.OHTA.ca :P

And YES, these kids are growing up obese. They need to run around playing tag instead of halo 3!

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Is said lazy generation the product of "lazy" parenting? Just asking. On the subject, it used to be that kids would be out playing all of the time on the streets. They'd make friends in the neighbourhood. You see very little of that now. The "internet generation" not only is becoming obese, but they also have poor social skills and their grammar/language skills are laughable. Too much time Facebooking and text-messaging, and not enough time interacting with real people. I've seen cover letters that are written with the same sort of abbreviations/phraseology as short-form text messages. :shock: What kind of leadership, ambition and productivity will come from them when they hit the workforce? In defence of our kids, though... you should see some American cities... like Memphis. :shock: Not that we shouldn't be encouraging people to be more physically active, though.

Is said lazy generation the product of "lazy" parenting? Just asking.

On the subject, it used to be that kids would be out playing all of the time on the streets. They'd make friends in the neighbourhood. You see very little of that now.

The "internet generation" not only is becoming obese, but they also have poor social skills and their grammar/language skills are laughable. Too much time Facebooking and text-messaging, and not enough time interacting with real people. I've seen cover letters that are written with the same sort of abbreviations/phraseology as short-form text messages. :shock: What kind of leadership, ambition and productivity will come from them when they hit the workforce?

In defence of our kids, though... you should see some American cities... like Memphis. :shock: Not that we shouldn't be encouraging people to be more physically active, though.

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Oh wow. Well what do you expect. When every major city in North America has been structured around the car what do you think any person is going to opt for. I use a road bike to help train for track and not once have I gone on a ride where someone hasn't nearly ran me over. I think this is what you're hoping for. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AbPav5E5M[/youtube] Unfortunately we don't live there. Did you guys ever think that all this internet chatting and texting language is doing nothing more than what any language has ever done. Change. Think of it this way, English scholars from every generation will always tell you that the old way was the proper way to talk. Ever watch an episode of Anne of Green Gables? I don't know what they're saying half the time. Going back to Shake-sphere, I don't have a clue what's going on. Everyone always complains how the good days were. How that's the real way to be a better person. This line of thinking stuns me. The world changes fast and children have done nothing more than keep up. How about instead of chastising technology for causing obesity in children you instead provide the environment for them to flourish in. That said, I don't know how anyone believes that sports have disappeared. Maby you just don't know they exist because of the crowds of people trying to register their kids in hockey are in your way. All these issues are based around stale thinking and poor community infrastructure. Perhaps people should contact their local MP if they are concerned about their child's health.

I know mine will not be near any of this for quite some time, but how lazy are kids becoming???

- need motorized vehicles

- handheld gaming computers

- XBOX etc.

- cellphone/texting

Oh wow. Well what do you expect. When every major city in North America has been structured around the car what do you think any person is going to opt for. I use a road bike to help train for track and not once have I gone on a ride where someone hasn't nearly ran me over.

I think this is what you're hoping for.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AbPav5E5M[/youtube]

Unfortunately we don't live there.

Did you guys ever think that all this internet chatting and texting language is doing nothing more than what any language has ever done. Change.

Think of it this way, English scholars from every generation will always tell you that the old way was the proper way to talk. Ever watch an episode of Anne of Green Gables? I don't know what they're saying half the time. Going back to Shake-sphere, I don't have a clue what's going on.

Everyone always complains how the good days were. How that's the real way to be a better person. This line of thinking stuns me. The world changes fast and children have done nothing more than keep up. How about instead of chastising technology for causing obesity in children you instead provide the environment for them to flourish in. That said, I don't know how anyone believes that sports have disappeared. Maby you just don't know they exist because of the crowds of people trying to register their kids in hockey are in your way.

All these issues are based around stale thinking and poor community infrastructure. Perhaps people should contact their local MP if they are concerned about their child's health.

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Change is always "Good" however, getting fat at an early age due to technology which is causing this is not so good of a "Change" Not saying kids don't exercise or play sports anymore, and I'm sure the hockey club is full of kids, however, things like Technology is making it harder for them to do so, or better yet they do NOT choose to play sports like hockey anymore. Why? Simple. They have TONS of other types of entertainment to choose from now such as xbox, iphone, facebook, you name it, its there. Also, keeping in mind this is very recent. We don`t fully know what the future will hold for us, and I don`t think that every change is a good thing for our health. Even new research is suggesting cell phone use can be linked to certain types of cancer. Next thing you know they gonna have virtual reality sport games. Oh wait, they already do, its called Wii Fit! :P The idea is to live long and healthy, and that needs to start at an early age.

Change is always "Good" however, getting fat at an early age due to technology which is causing this is not so good of a "Change"

Not saying kids don't exercise or play sports anymore, and I'm sure the hockey club is full of kids, however, things like Technology is making it harder for them to do so, or better yet they do NOT choose to play sports like hockey anymore.

Why? Simple. They have TONS of other types of entertainment to choose from now such as xbox, iphone, facebook, you name it, its there.

Also, keeping in mind this is very recent. We don`t fully know what the future will hold for us, and I don`t think that every change is a good thing for our health.

Even new research is suggesting cell phone use can be linked to certain types of cancer.

Next thing you know they gonna have virtual reality sport games. Oh wait, they already do, its called Wii Fit! :P

The idea is to live long and healthy, and that needs to start at an early age.

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I can't possibly agree for a single second that having a high rate of child obesity is a good thing, even if that's the "change" that's being heralded right now. Change is not always good, it's not always bad either. Kids used to go outside and play with their friends, go to parks, etc. The new thinking is that this not good, and they must be put into organized sports. The cost of sports is going up and many lower-income families can't afford to have their kids play sports. My point was that there are a dwindling number of children playing recreationally and not competitively. It's taking its toll.

I can't possibly agree for a single second that having a high rate of child obesity is a good thing, even if that's the "change" that's being heralded right now. Change is not always good, it's not always bad either.

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All these issues are based around stale thinking and poor community infrastructure.

Kids used to go outside and play with their friends, go to parks, etc. The new thinking is that this not good, and they must be put into organized sports. The cost of sports is going up and many lower-income families can't afford to have their kids play sports. My point was that there are a dwindling number of children playing recreationally and not competitively. It's taking its toll.

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If people are contacting an MP for this issue......WOW....nothing like people blaming someone else for your own misfortunes/problems. It is as simple as bike down to the park and throw/bat/kick a ball around or play hide and seek. None of that costs much, if anything. But instead, parents buy a $300 gaming system and $60 games and tell the kid to go use it. My neighbours teen won't cut the grass, won't roll out the garbage bin or roll back the empty bin from the curb, won't shovel snow, won't vaccum the pool, won't even toss a ball for their dog....but will sit and text away.....obviously I won't tell my neighbour how to raise their child, but WTF?

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All these issues are based around stale thinking and poor community infrastructure. Perhaps people should contact their local MP if they are concerned about their child's health.

If people are contacting an MP for this issue......WOW....nothing like people blaming someone else for your own misfortunes/problems.

It is as simple as bike down to the park and throw/bat/kick a ball around or play hide and seek. None of that costs much, if anything. But instead, parents buy a $300 gaming system and $60 games and tell the kid to go use it.

My neighbours teen won't cut the grass, won't roll out the garbage bin or roll back the empty bin from the curb, won't shovel snow, won't vaccum the pool, won't even toss a ball for their dog....but will sit and text away.....obviously I won't tell my neighbour how to raise their child, but WTF?

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Hopefully your neighbours not reading this :lol:

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My neighbours teen won't cut the grass, won't roll out the garbage bin or roll back the empty bin from the curb, won't shovel snow, won't vaccum the pool, won't even toss a ball for their dog....but will sit and text away.....obviously I won't tell my neighbour how to raise their child, but WTF?

Hopefully your neighbours not reading this :lol:

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I notice a difference in my generation. An early 70s child, and growing up in the 80s we did have Atari and Coleco Vision, but my brother who is a few years younger than me is much more involved in "gaming". So are his friends. While most of my former classmates are on Facebook now, I haven't been on since Nov '09. You wanna catch up? Let's go for coffee. You wanna be BFF's? Annual birthday "e-cards" don't cut it. You won't catch me on a computer after work hours unless it's to do a paper. My sister in law who is 23 gets chauffeured around. I would've been given $1.25 and told to catch a bus. If we wanted to be social, we went out. Saturday nights with SIL are on the PC webcam on IM. It's amazing. My hubby is a former pro sports player. His cousins are currently pro sports players. Saturday mornings started at 6-7am with laps around rinks. We girls danced and karate'd our way through adolescence. Our son will be at the rinks and not playing NHL10 on Xbox360. I know it's much easier to plop him down and hand him a controller, but it is not the best thing for him. I do believe it has to do with lazy parenting, or, more appropriately, busy 2-income households with parents exhausted and at their wits end trying to juggle home life and the office.

I notice a difference in my generation. An early 70s child, and growing up in the 80s we did have Atari and Coleco Vision, but my brother who is a few years younger than me is much more involved in "gaming". So are his friends. While most of my former classmates are on Facebook now, I haven't been on since Nov '09. You wanna catch up? Let's go for coffee. You wanna be BFF's? Annual birthday "e-cards" don't cut it. You won't catch me on a computer after work hours unless it's to do a paper.

My sister in law who is 23 gets chauffeured around. I would've been given $1.25 and told to catch a bus. If we wanted to be social, we went out. Saturday nights with SIL are on the PC webcam on IM. It's amazing. My hubby is a former pro sports player. His cousins are currently pro sports players. Saturday mornings started at 6-7am with laps around rinks. We girls danced and karate'd our way through adolescence. Our son will be at the rinks and not playing NHL10 on Xbox360. I know it's much easier to plop him down and hand him a controller, but it is not the best thing for him. I do believe it has to do with lazy parenting, or, more appropriately, busy 2-income households with parents exhausted and at their wits end trying to juggle home life and the office.

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Getting out and actually interacting with other people is what makes us grow and mature as human beings... as you've indicated. This is what the "internet generation" is missing. And I'm not that far removed from them, either: I was born in 1979. When I had problems in my youth, my parents didn't jump in and take care of it for me. They asked: "What are you going to do about it?" It was my problem, so it was my responsibility to fix it. So many parents these days try to solve problems for their kids, that the kids do not have a sense of responsibility and have a greatly reduced ability to cope with the stresses, problems and demands of the working world. That's not a positive change. I also spent a lot of time on outdoor rinks just playing pick-up hockey in Ottawa, I hiked in the Gatineau Hills, biked along the Rideau Canal, etc. My friends and I actually got together and did things, as opposed to e-mailing and text-messaging non-stop. It's easier and healthier to actually meet a live person than to text-message to the point of getting carpal tunnel. All of that recreational outdoors stuff is still available, in abundance. Technology really isn't the problem, in and of itself. It's the fact that many parents are relying on it to raise their kids.

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My sister in law who is 23 gets chauffeured around. I would've been given $1.25 and told to catch a bus. If we wanted to be social, we went out. Saturday nights with SIL are on the PC webcam on IM. It's amazing. My hubby is a former pro sports player. His cousins are currently pro sports players. Saturday mornings started at 6-7am with laps around rinks. We girls danced and karate'd our way through adolescence. Our son will be at the rinks and not playing NHL10 on Xbox360. I know it's much easier to plop him down and hand him a controller, but it is not the best thing for him.

Getting out and actually interacting with other people is what makes us grow and mature as human beings... as you've indicated. This is what the "internet generation" is missing. And I'm not that far removed from them, either: I was born in 1979.

When I had problems in my youth, my parents didn't jump in and take care of it for me. They asked: "What are you going to do about it?" It was my problem, so it was my responsibility to fix it. So many parents these days try to solve problems for their kids, that the kids do not have a sense of responsibility and have a greatly reduced ability to cope with the stresses, problems and demands of the working world. That's not a positive change.

I also spent a lot of time on outdoor rinks just playing pick-up hockey in Ottawa, I hiked in the Gatineau Hills, biked along the Rideau Canal, etc. My friends and I actually got together and did things, as opposed to e-mailing and text-messaging non-stop. It's easier and healthier to actually meet a live person than to text-message to the point of getting carpal tunnel. All of that recreational outdoors stuff is still available, in abundance. Technology really isn't the problem, in and of itself. It's the fact that many parents are relying on it to raise their kids.

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Ok well this is what I'm seeing. Not a single person here has once had something to say other than "I'm active, and my kids sure aren't going to be lazy either." Ok well thats real nifty. I've got a story too. I didn't want to go outside and play as a kid but my mother smacked me up side the head and gave me some common sense. Not that difficult of a lesson to teach. (and try not to take the physical violence literally.) What I see is a bunch of people complaining about how lazy kids are nowadays but still flat out refusing to do anything about it because it's not their problem. Just blame electronics, despite the fact that YES they are more interisting and fun. How bout next time someone doesn't like the way something is they try and do something about it. Hmmmmm. Interesting thought here. What would someone be if they saw an issue but didn't do anything about it? Lazy? My cousin is about in the 40's now and he has lots of childhood storires too. Alot of them seem to revolve around throwing sticks at each other. Everyones generation does stupid things. Don't blame mine because you see kids parked on their asses in front of a computer screen for hours on end. I am completely capable of play 4 hours straight of a single video game and still remain completely active and intelligent. I even believe video games help people cognively progress. Any takers?

Ok well this is what I'm seeing. Not a single person here has once had something to say other than "I'm active, and my kids sure aren't going to be lazy either." Ok well thats real nifty. I've got a story too. I didn't want to go outside and play as a kid but my mother smacked me up side the head and gave me some common sense. Not that difficult of a lesson to teach. (and try not to take the physical violence literally.)

What I see is a bunch of people complaining about how lazy kids are nowadays but still flat out refusing to do anything about it because it's not their problem. Just blame electronics, despite the fact that YES they are more interisting and fun. How bout next time someone doesn't like the way something is they try and do something about it. Hmmmmm. Interesting thought here. What would someone be if they saw an issue but didn't do anything about it? Lazy?

My cousin is about in the 40's now and he has lots of childhood storires too. Alot of them seem to revolve around throwing sticks at each other. Everyones generation does stupid things. Don't blame mine because you see kids parked on their asses in front of a computer screen for hours on end. I am completely capable of play 4 hours straight of a single video game and still remain completely active and intelligent. I even believe video games help people cognively progress. Any takers?

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ManlyMinute, what is your point? I cannot do "anything" save and except where it concerns my own child. BTW, that is THE solution, as it's teaching our contribution to the next generation to be active and interested in their own health/lives. It means less of a drain on healthcare, social services, and more contribution to the economy.

ManlyMinute, what is your point? I cannot do "anything" save and except where it concerns my own child. BTW, that is THE solution, as it's teaching our contribution to the next generation to be active and interested in their own health/lives. It means less of a drain on healthcare, social services, and more contribution to the economy.

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Speaking of having to figure things out ourselves and maturing, Radar Identified, my cousin went to war with a cab company because her 24 year old was so drunk one night that she couldn't take money out of her ATM, so the cabbie took her iPod as payment. Rather than cousin's daughter call and fight it herself, her mother did for her! At 24, she is old enough to put out her own fires. It's not allowed (what the cabbie did) but she's old enough to commence action on her own. The last time my mother went to war for me, I was 10 and being bullied by a nitwit in the junior high across the football field from our elementary school.

Speaking of having to figure things out ourselves and maturing, Radar Identified, my cousin went to war with a cab company because her 24 year old was so drunk one night that she couldn't take money out of her ATM, so the cabbie took her iPod as payment. Rather than cousin's daughter call and fight it herself, her mother did for her! At 24, she is old enough to put out her own fires. It's not allowed (what the cabbie did) but she's old enough to commence action on her own.

The last time my mother went to war for me, I was 10 and being bullied by a nitwit in the junior high across the football field from our elementary school.

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My point is that this topic started of as a national statistic. 61% of children are considered obeese. All anyone has done here is beliache(sp*) about how other children are fat and how their children will never be like that. Usually when people have an issue about something and like to complain about it, I like to ask those people what they're doing about it. You can't do anything about it? :? Com'on. I've coached dozens of public school kids into Youth Nationals by the time they've gone through highschool. I've also encouraged numerous more parents into signing their kids up into bi- and tri-athalon events. From what you've said I've done more about this child health issue than you ever have and I haven't even broken a quarter century yet. You can't do anything? Step up to the plate. Who is really being lazy.

My point is that this topic started of as a national statistic. 61% of children are considered obeese. All anyone has done here is beliache(sp*) about how other children are fat and how their children will never be like that.

Usually when people have an issue about something and like to complain about it, I like to ask those people what they're doing about it.

You can't do anything about it? :? Com'on. I've coached dozens of public school kids into Youth Nationals by the time they've gone through highschool. I've also encouraged numerous more parents into signing their kids up into bi- and tri-athalon events.

From what you've said I've done more about this child health issue than you ever have and I haven't even broken a quarter century yet.

You can't do anything? Step up to the plate. Who is really being lazy.

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With all *due* respect, ManlyMan, I haven't commented on anything regarding my volunteering duties in my personal life, so you wouldn't know what I contribute to. I wouldn't at this juncture either, as it's extremely uncouth to brag about one's charity in order to win a virtual pissing contest. Many of the techie generation and beyond suffer from Entitlement Elephantitis, and are far beyond any help your local rugby team volunteers may offer. However, by far the most interesting to me is how they want to be President and CEO in their entry-level positions, and get miffed when they are sent fetching coffee, indignant that their English Lit degree hasn't offered them the corner office. I will give them this though, they have created a new texting language because it was just too darned frustrating to communicate in proper English. Kudos on that.....who's lazy again? You volunteer? Good on ya, but keep it to yourself, pal. Many here do so too, including those who do so daily on their jobs. Aside from what contributions to society I make, my kids are being brought up with respect, a yearning for the outdoors and in sports. I'm offering the future a healthy adult who will contribute to society, and that's a valuable contribution in itself. Cheers, Manly.

With all *due* respect, ManlyMan, I haven't commented on anything regarding my volunteering duties in my personal life, so you wouldn't know what I contribute to. I wouldn't at this juncture either, as it's extremely uncouth to brag about one's charity in order to win a virtual pissing contest.

Many of the techie generation and beyond suffer from Entitlement Elephantitis, and are far beyond any help your local rugby team volunteers may offer. However, by far the most interesting to me is how they want to be President and CEO in their entry-level positions, and get miffed when they are sent fetching coffee, indignant that their English Lit degree hasn't offered them the corner office. I will give them this though, they have created a new texting language because it was just too darned frustrating to communicate in proper English. Kudos on that.....who's lazy again?

You volunteer? Good on ya, but keep it to yourself, pal. Many here do so too, including those who do so daily on their jobs. Aside from what contributions to society I make, my kids are being brought up with respect, a yearning for the outdoors and in sports. I'm offering the future a healthy adult who will contribute to society, and that's a valuable contribution in itself.

Cheers, Manly.

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Yeah, I'll take this one on. I've got a Psych degree. Playing video games incessantly and spending a lot of time on the computer has been linked to higher rates of ADHD. Incidentally, if you volunteer, good for you, but don't assume that none of us volunteer, or make significant contributions to society. This post and thread is nothing personal, so don't take it that way. Marquisse pretty much summed up what I'm seeing right here: In my opinion, technology itself isn't the problem. It's the way society has decided to raise the next generation. Technology is great, but it's no substitute for parenting, and getting them regular exercise. Well that's good, trying to get people to solve a problem. Everyone has to take responsibility for themselves, and for raising their kids... and what hwybear expressed in the original post that started this pissing contest was that a lot of parents are not. And, the problem is, you can't really go over and parent someone else's kid for them. I can lead a horse to water but I can't make it drink. We're all dragged down by their lack of parenting, though. Society does not benefit from having people who are lazy, immature and have no sense of responsibility, but an inflated sense of entitlement, try to take the reins to lead us into the future. This is exactly what I was referring to in parents fighting their kids battles for them. At 24, she's more than old enough to deal with that. Good grief. No offence to your cousin, but WTF?!

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I even believe video games help people cognively progress. Any takers?

Yeah, I'll take this one on. I've got a Psych degree. Playing video games incessantly and spending a lot of time on the computer has been linked to higher rates of ADHD.

Incidentally, if you volunteer, good for you, but don't assume that none of us volunteer, or make significant contributions to society. This post and thread is nothing personal, so don't take it that way.

Marquisse pretty much summed up what I'm seeing right here:

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Many of the techie generation and beyond suffer from Entitlement Elephantitis, and are far beyond any help your local rugby team volunteers may offer. However, by far the most interesting to me is how they want to be President and CEO in their entry-level positions, and get miffed when they are sent fetching coffee, indignant that their English Lit degree hasn't offered them the corner office. I will give them this though, they have created a new texting language because it was just too darned frustrating to communicate in proper English. Kudos on that.....who's lazy again?

In my opinion, technology itself isn't the problem. It's the way society has decided to raise the next generation. Technology is great, but it's no substitute for parenting, and getting them regular exercise.

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Usually when people have an issue about something and like to complain about it, I like to ask those people what they're doing about it.

Well that's good, trying to get people to solve a problem. Everyone has to take responsibility for themselves, and for raising their kids... and what hwybear expressed in the original post that started this pissing contest was that a lot of parents are not. And, the problem is, you can't really go over and parent someone else's kid for them. I can lead a horse to water but I can't make it drink.

We're all dragged down by their lack of parenting, though. Society does not benefit from having people who are lazy, immature and have no sense of responsibility, but an inflated sense of entitlement, try to take the reins to lead us into the future.

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Speaking of having to figure things out ourselves and maturing, Radar Identified, my cousin went to war with a cab company because her 24 year old was so drunk one night that she couldn't take money out of her ATM, so the cabbie took her iPod as payment. Rather than cousin's daughter call and fight it herself, her mother did for her! At 24, she is old enough to put out her own fires.

This is exactly what I was referring to in parents fighting their kids battles for them. At 24, she's more than old enough to deal with that. Good grief. No offence to your cousin, but WTF?!

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Soooo, this is not intended to lead someone to believe that you aren't doing anything to help this global issue? Isn't video game playing also proven to improve visual spacial skills, reaction time, fine motor reflexes, and other such skills. Not being snooty here I'm actually asking a direct question. So if this were true then video games aren't entirely evil and may even be considered useful, provided we can find a solution to the ADHD problem. And Marquisse if you believe that I am an all high and mighty, cocky, arrogant youth then you must understand that those were not my intentions. Unfortunately words can only convey so much personal expression and if you have taken what I have said as a personal stab then I'm sorry and I'll drop this topic altogether.

I cannot do "anything" save and except where it concerns my own child.

Soooo, this is not intended to lead someone to believe that you aren't doing anything to help this global issue?

Playing video games incessantly and spending a lot of time on the computer has been linked to higher rates of ADHD.

Isn't video game playing also proven to improve visual spacial skills, reaction time, fine motor reflexes, and other such skills. Not being snooty here I'm actually asking a direct question.

So if this were true then video games aren't entirely evil and may even be considered useful, provided we can find a solution to the ADHD problem.

And Marquisse if you believe that I am an all high and mighty, cocky, arrogant youth then you must understand that those were not my intentions. Unfortunately words can only convey so much personal expression and if you have taken what I have said as a personal stab then I'm sorry and I'll drop this topic altogether.

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Hhhhmmmmm, isn't this the issue we are arguing? Anywho, the problems with technology today is that it offers instant gratification. You want to know now you have it, need info google it, sports scores on your phone, your friends cell message away. So when Jimmy Newgrad, from da skool of better then u, comes to the office for the first day, his view is skewed and non-realistic. I have always found that reality lessons are the toughest.

Unfortunately words can only convey so much personal expression

Hhhhmmmmm, isn't this the issue we are arguing?

Anywho, the problems with technology today is that it offers instant gratification. You want to know now you have it, need info google it, sports scores on your phone, your friends cell message away.

So when Jimmy Newgrad, from da skool of better then u, comes to the office for the first day, his view is skewed and non-realistic. I have always found that reality lessons are the toughest.

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This is exactly what I was referring to in parents fighting their kids battles for them. At 24, she's more than old enough to deal with that. Good grief. No offence to your cousin, but WTF?! I know. WTF is an understatement. I can share so much more but I'm afraid the stories are so bizarre that they might make my cousin identifiable on the 'net. They also know I belong to a forum that talks about HTA issues, so I'll leave it at that.

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Speaking of having to figure things out ourselves and maturing, Radar Identified, my cousin went to war with a cab company because her 24 year old was so drunk one night that she couldn't take money out of her ATM, so the cabbie took her iPod as payment. Rather than cousin's daughter call and fight it herself, her mother did for her! At 24, she is old enough to put out her own fires.

This is exactly what I was referring to in parents fighting their kids battles for them. At 24, she's more than old enough to deal with that. Good grief. No offence to your cousin, but WTF?!

I know. WTF is an understatement. I can share so much more but I'm afraid the stories are so bizarre that they might make my cousin identifiable on the 'net. They also know I belong to a forum that talks about HTA issues, so I'll leave it at that.

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anyway.... Blackhawks or Flyers? :D

anyway.... Blackhawks or Flyers? :D

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Reaction time: No. Visuo-spatial skills: Yes, generally. Fine motor reflexes: Not to the point of being detectable. Visual perception ability: Yes, generally. However, there are a limited set of occupations that require good reaction time and visuo-spatial skills, etc. It would, theoretically, "prime" you with a skill set to be a better driver (visuo-spatial skills)... assuming you're not text-messaging. It also depends upon what type of video game you're playing. There's a big difference between playing World of Warcraft, Battlechess or some of the combat games. With Philly coming back from a 3-0 deficit vs. Boston... I'll say Flyers in six.

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Isn't video game playing also proven to improve visual spacial skills, reaction time, fine motor reflexes, and other such skills.

Reaction time: No.

Visuo-spatial skills: Yes, generally.

Fine motor reflexes: Not to the point of being detectable.

Visual perception ability: Yes, generally.

However, there are a limited set of occupations that require good reaction time and visuo-spatial skills, etc. It would, theoretically, "prime" you with a skill set to be a better driver (visuo-spatial skills)... assuming you're not text-messaging.

It also depends upon what type of video game you're playing. There's a big difference between playing World of Warcraft, Battlechess or some of the combat games.

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anyway.... Blackhawks or Flyers?

With Philly coming back from a 3-0 deficit vs. Boston... I'll say Flyers in six.

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Blackhawks in 7...... should be a good series.

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anyway.... Blackhawks or Flyers? :D

Blackhawks in 7...... should be a good series.

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Yeah, I'll take this one on. I've got a Psych degree. Playing video games incessantly and spending a lot of time on the computer has been linked to higher rates of ADHD. Incidentally, if you volunteer, good for you, but don't assume that none of us volunteer, or make significant contributions to society. This post and thread is nothing personal, so don't take it that way. Marquisse pretty much summed up what I'm seeing right here: In my opinion, technology itself isn't the problem. It's the way society has decided to raise the next generation. Technology is great, but it's no substitute for parenting, and getting them regular exercise. Well that's good, trying to get people to solve a problem. Everyone has to take responsibility for themselves, and for raising their kids... and what hwybear expressed in the original post that started this pissing contest was that a lot of parents are not. And, the problem is, you can't really go over and parent someone else's kid for them. I can lead a horse to water but I can't make it drink. We're all dragged down by their lack of parenting, though. Society does not benefit from having people who are lazy, immature and have no sense of responsibility, but an inflated sense of entitlement, try to take the reins to lead us into the future. This is exactly what I was referring to in parents fighting their kids battles for them. At 24, she's more than old enough to deal with that. Good grief. No offence to your cousin, but WTF?! Awesome response. I'm 24. I grew up in one of very few households with Internet - both of my parents are academics and affiliated with the local university, which offered dial-up in the early 90s. We've always had several computers and many games. With that in mind, I was incorrectly diagnosed as having ADD as a child but it turned out that i just had an exceptionally high IQ and school activities were not intellectually stimulating enough to keep me from being bored. I did a lot of volunteering, participated in sports, rebelled against authority, played road hockey, rode my bicycle everywhere, played the occasional video game and watched a bit of TV, with millions more activities in between. Today I fight my own battles and (like to think) I make good decisions for ONE reason and ONE alone: Parenting. My parents understood the value in not giving me everything I wanted all the time. There was discipline and a very strong sense of authority with them. I couldn't bargain with them and once a decision was made, I was unable to argue with it (no matter how good I was at arguing). Don't get me wrong, I had everything I needed, but my parents understood that they knew better about what I needed than I did, and were not afraid to say no to me. When I got myself into trouble, my parents guided me on the correct course of action. If I was wrong, they told me why they would not support my actions and would often punish me accordingly. If I was victimized, they took my side only after it became obvious that it wasn't by some fault of my own, but if I was able to fight the battle myself, they often let me. Now that I'm a little bit older, some of my friends and family members are starting to have kids, and it seems so bizarre to observe people bargaining with their kids, or treating a 2-year-old like an adult and trying to reason with them, giving them more authority than they know what to do with. Currently, I'm entrusted to make important decisions for my family, but if I mess up, the onus lies on me to correct my actions. Responsibility/accountability has been a running theme in my personal experience. I absolutely blame the parents for I'd say probably 80+% of behavioural issues that arise in today's youth. In fact, some of the uber-spoiled kids that I envied (and who probably made fun of me) when I was younger, are incapable of doing anything for themselves now, or live in a perpetual sense of entitlement, and have the idea that everyone/society/the world owes them things. At the end of the day, as much as kids need to be creative and express themselves effectively, they crave structure at a young age. The problem is simply that they are too young to know that. They WANT play time all the time, but what they need is some sense of structure. An excellent way to gain this sense of structure is through sports, proper scheduling, some rules, and consequences for inappropriate behaviour. Play is important but it should not dominate any person's life. Anyway, that's my opinion FWIW. I like to think I'm a pretty well-balanced young person, and this has been my interpretation of why.[/u][/i]

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I even believe video games help people cognively progress. Any takers?

Yeah, I'll take this one on. I've got a Psych degree. Playing video games incessantly and spending a lot of time on the computer has been linked to higher rates of ADHD.

Incidentally, if you volunteer, good for you, but don't assume that none of us volunteer, or make significant contributions to society. This post and thread is nothing personal, so don't take it that way.

Marquisse pretty much summed up what I'm seeing right here:

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Many of the techie generation and beyond suffer from Entitlement Elephantitis, and are far beyond any help your local rugby team volunteers may offer. However, by far the most interesting to me is how they want to be President and CEO in their entry-level positions, and get miffed when they are sent fetching coffee, indignant that their English Lit degree hasn't offered them the corner office. I will give them this though, they have created a new texting language because it was just too darned frustrating to communicate in proper English. Kudos on that.....who's lazy again?

In my opinion, technology itself isn't the problem. It's the way society has decided to raise the next generation. Technology is great, but it's no substitute for parenting, and getting them regular exercise.

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Usually when people have an issue about something and like to complain about it, I like to ask those people what they're doing about it.

Well that's good, trying to get people to solve a problem. Everyone has to take responsibility for themselves, and for raising their kids... and what hwybear expressed in the original post that started this pissing contest was that a lot of parents are not. And, the problem is, you can't really go over and parent someone else's kid for them. I can lead a horse to water but I can't make it drink.

We're all dragged down by their lack of parenting, though. Society does not benefit from having people who are lazy, immature and have no sense of responsibility, but an inflated sense of entitlement, try to take the reins to lead us into the future.

Marquisse wrote:

Speaking of having to figure things out ourselves and maturing, Radar Identified, my cousin went to war with a cab company because her 24 year old was so drunk one night that she couldn't take money out of her ATM, so the cabbie took her iPod as payment. Rather than cousin's daughter call and fight it herself, her mother did for her! At 24, she is old enough to put out her own fires.

This is exactly what I was referring to in parents fighting their kids battles for them. At 24, she's more than old enough to deal with that. Good grief. No offence to your cousin, but WTF?!

Awesome response.

I'm 24. I grew up in one of very few households with Internet - both of my parents are academics and affiliated with the local university, which offered dial-up in the early 90s. We've always had several computers and many games.

With that in mind, I was incorrectly diagnosed as having ADD as a child but it turned out that i just had an exceptionally high IQ and school activities were not intellectually stimulating enough to keep me from being bored.

I did a lot of volunteering, participated in sports, rebelled against authority, played road hockey, rode my bicycle everywhere, played the occasional video game and watched a bit of TV, with millions more activities in between.

Today I fight my own battles and (like to think) I make good decisions for ONE reason and ONE alone:

Parenting.

My parents understood the value in not giving me everything I wanted all the time. There was discipline and a very strong sense of authority with them. I couldn't bargain with them and once a decision was made, I was unable to argue with it (no matter how good I was at arguing).

Don't get me wrong, I had everything I needed, but my parents understood that they knew better about what I needed than I did, and were not afraid to say no to me.

When I got myself into trouble, my parents guided me on the correct course of action. If I was wrong, they told me why they would not support my actions and would often punish me accordingly. If I was victimized, they took my side only after it became obvious that it wasn't by some fault of my own, but if I was able to fight the battle myself, they often let me.

Now that I'm a little bit older, some of my friends and family members are starting to have kids, and it seems so bizarre to observe people bargaining with their kids, or treating a 2-year-old like an adult and trying to reason with them, giving them more authority than they know what to do with.

Currently, I'm entrusted to make important decisions for my family, but if I mess up, the onus lies on me to correct my actions. Responsibility/accountability has been a running theme in my personal experience.

I absolutely blame the parents for I'd say probably 80+% of behavioural issues that arise in today's youth.

In fact, some of the uber-spoiled kids that I envied (and who probably made fun of me) when I was younger, are incapable of doing anything for themselves now, or live in a perpetual sense of entitlement, and have the idea that everyone/society/the world owes them things.

At the end of the day, as much as kids need to be creative and express themselves effectively, they crave structure at a young age. The problem is simply that they are too young to know that. They WANT play time all the time, but what they need is some sense of structure. An excellent way to gain this sense of structure is through sports, proper scheduling, some rules, and consequences for inappropriate behaviour. Play is important but it should not dominate any person's life.

Anyway, that's my opinion FWIW. I like to think I'm a pretty well-balanced young person, and this has been my interpretation of why.[/u][/i]

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Well said Slyk... This is a much bigger problem than people realize. In fact, today my wife and I stopped in to York University's parking office. (She's going back to school for her third degree... different story...) The receptionist was busy on the phone with a parent, whose kid had received a parking ticket. Pardon me for sounding unreasonably violent, but I wanted to reach through the phone and slap the parent. The kid is university-aged, he can fight his own friggin' battles!!! I also happen to know a woman who was sheltered during her younger years. Her mom insisted on fighting all of her battles for her. Some times, kids do need guidance and help, but we're talking about high-school stuff that most kids (myself included) dealt with on our own. When she was cut loose into the working world, she ended up on leave (and, for a while, medication), because the stresses of the adult working world were far too great to handle. And it was not a particularly stressful job, either. How was her life made any better by having to learn how to deal with life at the age of 25? How did society benefit from her lost productivity? Life is tough and it's not fair, but parents need to properly prepare their kids for it, not always cuddle and shield them. Anyway... how this pertains to driving... remember Tim Mulcahy? He did not parent his child. He bought him a 430-horsepower Audi S4. His son bragged about speeding and driving fast and racing. He didn't take his keys. His son died in a car crash that inspired "Premier Daddy" McGuinty to impose a restriction that no driver under the age of 21 could have any alcohol in their blood when driving. Conversely, recently we heard of a 19-year-old in Vaughan who bragged of going 140 in a 40 zone with the car his parents bought for him. His parents made a mistake, but they fixed it: When they found out what their son did, they took his car. Permanently. No messing around there.

Well said Slyk...

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In fact, some of the uber-spoiled kids that I envied (and who probably made fun of me) when I was younger, are incapable of doing anything for themselves now, or live in a perpetual sense of entitlement, and have the idea that everyone/society/the world owes them things.

This is a much bigger problem than people realize. In fact, today my wife and I stopped in to York University's parking office. (She's going back to school for her third degree... different story...) The receptionist was busy on the phone with a parent, whose kid had received a parking ticket. Pardon me for sounding unreasonably violent, but I wanted to reach through the phone and slap the parent. The kid is university-aged, he can fight his own friggin' battles!!!

I also happen to know a woman who was sheltered during her younger years. Her mom insisted on fighting all of her battles for her. Some times, kids do need guidance and help, but we're talking about high-school stuff that most kids (myself included) dealt with on our own. When she was cut loose into the working world, she ended up on leave (and, for a while, medication), because the stresses of the adult working world were far too great to handle. And it was not a particularly stressful job, either. How was her life made any better by having to learn how to deal with life at the age of 25? How did society benefit from her lost productivity? Life is tough and it's not fair, but parents need to properly prepare their kids for it, not always cuddle and shield them.

Anyway... how this pertains to driving... remember Tim Mulcahy? He did not parent his child. He bought him a 430-horsepower Audi S4. His son bragged about speeding and driving fast and racing. He didn't take his keys. His son died in a car crash that inspired "Premier Daddy" McGuinty to impose a restriction that no driver under the age of 21 could have any alcohol in their blood when driving. Conversely, recently we heard of a 19-year-old in Vaughan who bragged of going 140 in a 40 zone with the car his parents bought for him. His parents made a mistake, but they fixed it: When they found out what their son did, they took his car. Permanently. No messing around there.

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Some of it can be outright unbelievable sometimes.... I wonder where the shift happened on a societal level. Like, I somehow doubt that a lot of people in the 1950s and 1960s North America were spoiling their kids to the degree that is more common today. Am I wrong? I'm too young to actually know for sure, but I feel like my generation's parents always lectured about how things were different when they were growing up and how it was societally/culturally expected for children to have responsibilities and enjoy simpler luxuries rather than the way it is now...

Some of it can be outright unbelievable sometimes....

I wonder where the shift happened on a societal level. Like, I somehow doubt that a lot of people in the 1950s and 1960s North America were spoiling their kids to the degree that is more common today.

Am I wrong? I'm too young to actually know for sure, but I feel like my generation's parents always lectured about how things were different when they were growing up and how it was societally/culturally expected for children to have responsibilities and enjoy simpler luxuries rather than the way it is now...

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Online NASCAR racing clearly improves one's driving skills :) (except that one time... see avatar)

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Isn't video game playing also proven to improve visual spacial skills, reaction time, fine motor reflexes, and other such skills.

Online NASCAR racing clearly improves one's driving skills :)

(except that one time... see avatar)

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Online NASCAR racing clearly improves one's driving skills :) (except that one time... see avatar) So you are really good turning to the left and going around in circles!! :lol:

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Isn't video game playing also proven to improve visual spacial skills, reaction time, fine motor reflexes, and other such skills.

Online NASCAR racing clearly improves one's driving skills :)

(except that one time... see avatar)

So you are really good turning to the left and going around in circles!! :lol:

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I like how parents of today always seem to blame others for thier childrens actions or in this case inaction. Lazy parents, lazy kids. My brother children are active in sports, thier tv and video gaming time is restricted. If parents were more active this thier kids lives instead of treating them like pets or accessories we'd all be better off. thats my two cents.

I like how parents of today always seem to blame others for thier childrens actions or in this case inaction.

Lazy parents, lazy kids.

My brother children are active in sports, thier tv and video gaming time is restricted.

If parents were more active this thier kids lives instead of treating them like pets or accessories we'd all be better off.

thats my two cents.

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and when you thought it couldn't get worse........ :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/ ... ub=Toronto

and when you thought it couldn't get worse........ :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Premier open to allowing cellphones in class

Ontario schoolboards should keep an open mind when it comes to allowing cellphones in classrooms, Premier Dalton McGuinty said Wednesday.

"Telephones and BlackBerrys and the like are conduits for information today, and one of the things we want our students to do is to be well-informed," McGuinty told reporters. "And it's something that we should be looking at in our schools."

The Toronto District School Board, one of the largest schoolboards in the country, is considering a review of its cellphone policy which bans their use in the classroom and requires students turn them off during class.

The board is looking at ways to make cellphone use more acceptable in the classroom, such as letting students use them to take notes, according to spokesperson Kelly Baker.

The premiers comments have been heavily criticized by opposition leaders, especially in light of his governments recent legislation banning drivers from using cellphones and other hand-held devices behind the wheel, and his own personal ban on the use of communications devices in his cabinet meetings.

McGuinty admits that while communications devices can be a distraction for adults and children alike, he says there is a "right way" to use them.

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Cell phones in class to take notes? is a big NO NO! The very last thing a kid who is trying to learn needs a cell phone...like hellooo!

Cell phones in class to take notes? is a big NO NO!

The very last thing a kid who is trying to learn needs a cell phone...like hellooo!

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