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Driver's record and by-law vs OHTA convictions
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:12 pm 
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Hi,

I have a question about driver's records and convictions. Recently, I went to court for an Improper Left Turn ticket which resulted in a guilty plea to a lesser offence: a City of Toronto Bylaw of failing to clear an intersection.

My question is: because this is a guilty plea to a bylaw of Toronto and not the OHTA, would that still show up on my driver's record?

I ask, because just two days ago I got dinged with a Hand-Held Communication Device (78.1(1)) and I am trying to figure out whether to fight it or not, seeing is how I would tolerate one offence on my record but not really two (for insurance reasons).

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:40 pm 
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Location: In YOUR rearview mirror!
I have seen hundreds of driving records, never have I seen any bylaw infraction on a driving history/record.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:38 am 
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I have seen them, though it's pretty rare. My understanding is that the municipality needs to notify the Ministry of the conviction, something that doesn't always happen.

Probably best to get a copy of your driving abstract (conviction history) to be sure.


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Thanks for your replies.

To get a copy of my driving abstract (conviction history), is that possible through the Ministry's kiosks that I see in shopping malls?

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I know that it can be viewed through ICON which is a court based records management system but I have never seen it on regular MTO Driver's Abstracts.


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I'm not sure about the mall kiosks, but you can order them on-line through the Ministry's website. You have to pay a user fee, but then the system will e-mail you a copy of your abstract.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:35 pm 
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OK thanks, I actually got my abstract online and realized I made an error in what I wrote earlier and in what I thought!

I was actually convicted of FAIL TO PROCEED AS DIRECTED BY GREEN LIGHT instead of Improper Left Turn. It carries 0 demerit points but is on my record.

So now that I know what, I'd like to ask another question for those who may know: how can this conviction plus a DEVICE - HAND HELD COMMUNICATION DEVICE impact my insurance rates?

I would fight the DEVICE charge but the ticket was issued in Niagara Falls and I live in Toronto, so it would be a total hassle to get out there.

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