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Re: Is this sign on public/private property?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:30 pm 
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Ah... wasn't aware of statuory interpretation with regard to using one section of the act to interpret another.

Do you have any idea where I can find the definition of the "forbidding left turn" sign as it applies per 182 (2)?

Am I incorrect in assuming a sign must be defined somewhere in the HTA in order for it to be applied via the HTA? Would I have to find its municipal legal definition?


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Signs are covered by regulation 615 of the HTA. http://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/regu/r ... g-615.html


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Re: Is this sign on public/private property?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:51 pm 
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Thanks - doesn't actually define the left turn unfortunately.

I know I'm reaching at straws.

Statutory interpretation is interesting - apply the law as written via definitions and interpret the rest based on plain language. Also I think I read you should take documents as whole (internal and external consistency) where "a particular statute will not be divorced from the rest of the act" - would this not allow interpretation of definitions between statutes?

Had another thought and was actually hoping it could define u turn vs left turn. The driveway is one of those concrete sloped right ones forcing you first onto the road.

Is it possible to argue u turn, since youre changing directions after entering the roadway?


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You could argue a U-turn... but the problem is a U-turn is a left turn so you're not helping yourself with that one.

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Re: Is this sign on public/private property?
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Any idea what the legally defined distance you have to be away from a no turn sign before it no longer in effect against your vehicle is?

E.g. the people who's driveways are directly next to that sign should still be able to make a left, right?

In making the turn, since it could not be a direct left and had to come out onto the street, what distance must I travel before the "no left" sign does not apply? Might this might be why the highway traffic act normally defines it as "in an intersection"? There is no room for these questions at an intersection.


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