Any idea what the legally defined distance you have to be away from a no turn sign before it no longer in effect against your vehicle is?

E.g. the people who's driveways are directly next to that sign should still be able to make a left, right?

In making the turn, since it could not be a direct left and had to come out onto the street, what distance must I travel before the "no left" sign does not apply? Might this might be why the highway traffic act normally defines it as "in an intersection"? There is no room for these questions at an intersection.

Thanks - doesn't actually define the left turn unfortunately. I know I'm reaching at straws. Statutory interpretation is interesting - apply the law as written via definitions and interpret the rest based on plain language. Also I think I read you should take documents as whole (internal and external consistency) where "a particular statute will not be divorced from the rest of the act" - would this not allow interpretation of definitions between statutes? Had another thought and was actually hoping it could define u turn vs left turn. The driveway is one of those concrete sloped rig...

Ah... wasn't aware of statuory interpretation with regard to using one section of the act to interpret another.

Do you have any idea where I can find the definition of the "forbidding left turn" sign as it applies per 182 (2)?

Am I incorrect in assuming a sign must be defined somewhere in the HTA in order for it to be applied via the HTA? Would I have to find its municipal legal definition?

Even MTO's website states the sign to mean "do not turn left at the intersection": http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/ ... .1.1.shtml

Wasn't an intersection. Wasn't disobeying the sign by definition.

Sorry, I'll try to collect my thoughts better here, 182 (2) states you must obey the instructions of all signs errected. So, what sign did I disobey? "forbidden left turn" All signs in the HTA have specific definitions (as law should). Highway traffic act defines Signs, including "forbidding left turn" under Signs (9) Signs (9) The provisions of this section are subject to any sign, as prescribed by the regulations, forbidding a left turn, right turn, through movement or combination thereof that is posted at an intersection and every driver shall obey every such sign. R.S.O...

Yes - you are correct I was charged under 182 (2). I think its already accepted that 182 (2) does not apply to private signs posted. So, although 182 (2) states all signs posted - it clearly is not enforceable as all signs posted. Also, from my notes above, the highway traffic act (with regard to signage) clearly is meant to apply to the highway. The sign posted (no left) was giving direction from a private driveway - something the act (maybe?) does not cover. Could it be argued if the HTA was meant to regulate traffic existing a private driveway - section 139 would not be required, nor the ex...

I'm just thinking further into this, Part X - RULES OF THE ROAD - specifically states an intersection as: Signs (9) The provisions of this section are subject to any sign, as prescribed by the regulations, forbidding a left turn, right turn, through movement or combination thereof that is posted at an intersection and every driver shall obey every such sign. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 144 (9). An intersection is defined pretty clearly: "intersection" includes any portion of a highway indicated by markings on the surface of the roadway as a crossing place for pedestrians; ("intersec...

OK - from what I can tell this relates to section 139 (1) about leaving a private road onto public highway. This states you can enter so long as it does not constitute any hazard. (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a driver or operator entering a highway from a private road or driveway controlled by a traffic control signal of a traffic control signal system. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 139 (2). http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm Subsection (2) does not apply, as a no left turn sign is not a "traffic control signal", which is defined below spec...

Got a ticket for failing to obey this "no left" sign.

It's attached to the Tim Hortons in Toronto, it's hardly noticeable when leaving the drive-through.

How can I find out if this sign is a private or public?

http://i.imgur.com/GFUqrE4.png

Thanks!