ticketed for 149km/h on 401 by PEEL POLICE

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ticketed for 149km/h on 401 by PEEL POLICE

by: he123456 on
Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:26 pm

So my brother was ticketed for going 149 in a 100 zone on the 401. the thing is that it was Peel Police who issued the ticket and not OPP. he was not followed from the ramp either. He said the cop didn't mention anything about demerit points, and there's nothing written on the ticket about them.

I have to represent him in court next month. Should my main argument be about jurisdiction? Never done this before and would appreciate some help since i'm new here.

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by: screeech on
Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:53 pm

All police officers are sworn in, In and For the Province of Ontario...jurisdictional argument will not be valid...a Thunder Bay City officer can write tickets in Metropolitan Toronto Police jurisdiction if they want, no problems...Tickets never say anything about points. The MTO deals with the points, not the police...Do you know if the officer lowered the ticket down from a higher speed to 149Km/H? jsherk should be along shortly to tell you to plead not guilty, ask for disclosure, post it on this site with personal information blacked out so we can look at it to see if there is any defence that can be recommended
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by: he123456 on
Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:01 pm

screeech wrote:All police officers are sworn in, In and For the Province of Ontario...jurisdictional argument will not be valid...a Thunder Bay City officer can write tickets in Metropolitan Toronto Police jurisdiction if they want, no problems...Tickets never say anything about points. The MTO deals with the points, not the police...Do you know if the officer lowered the ticket down from a higher speed to 149Km/H? jsherk should be along shortly to tell you to plead not guilty, ask for disclosure, post it on this site with personal information blacked out so we can look at it to see if there is any defence that can be recommended
yes i believe the speed was clocked at 154 originally. Do i have time for disclosure? the court date is in 2 weeks
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by: argyll on
Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:34 pm

You won't get it on time. 54 to 49 is one of those times you really need to be sure you'll win before electing to go to trial. BIG difference for your insurance.
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by: screeech on
Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:56 pm

If you opt for trial, the prosecutor will ask to amend the ticket back up to the origional speed of 154Km/H. If convicted, there will be a higher fine and the prosecutor can seek a licence suspension up to 30 day. The officer could have charged under the stunting section and impounded the car for 7 days as well as a 7 day licence suspension at the time of the offence. You are not likely to get the disclosure within the 2 weeks. You can always ask to have the matter put over to get disclosure but he Justic of the Peace won't be happy with you and may not allow it...I don't want to seem like an uncaring person or anything, but given the questions you have asked, and you stated you have never done this before, I am guessing a trial is not the best route for you to take. The chances of you getting your butt handed to you is very high, at the expence of your brother...You can always talk to the prosecutor on the day of trial and see if they will lower the ticket (not likely though)
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screeech wrote: jsherk should be along shortly to tell you to plead not guilty
^^^ that there was just WAYYY too funny :)
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by: Zatota on
Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:25 pm

I seem to remember reading somewhere (either HTA or Police Services Act) that OPP has exclusive jurisdiction on the 400-Series highways. Did I read that incorrectly or has that been repealed? I can't find the reference.
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by: Markus on
Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:15 am

Zatota wrote:I seem to remember reading somewhere (either HTA or Police Services Act) that OPP has exclusive jurisdiction on the 400-Series highways. Did I read that incorrectly or has that been repealed? I can't find the reference.

Well, I've seen drivers pulled over on 417 in Ottawa my Ottawa Police AND by military police. I spoke with a member pf the military police about this and was told that while they are allowed to pull over vehicles on public roads they usually don't unless they suspect the driver is impaired or is doing something truly dangerous.
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