Our website is made possible by displaying online advertisements to our visitors.
Please consider supporting us by disabling your ad blocker.

Ontario Highway Traffic Act

Discuss the Ontario Highway Traffic Act.


Post Your Traffic Ticket, and Get Help!


The Ontario Traffic Ticket Forum!


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 
Check It Out
No unread posts New Set Fines Starting Sept 1st, 2015! Read and Learn Here.
  Print view

speeding 76 in 50 zone
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:32 am 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:08 am
Posts: 2
Location: Toronto
I've been given a speeding ticket 76 in 50 zone but believe I have a fatal flaw - lucky for me! The traffic cop didn't note an address where the alleged infraction took place only that it occured on Dundas St W. If you know Toronto then you'd know that Dundas W starts at Downtown Yonge St and goes all the way to Burlington.

If that doesn't work I've also sent the prosecutor's office a request for early trial and for disclosure - thanks to www.Ticketcombat.com.

Actually I am blown away by the quality and effort of that web site. Its first class undertaking! And I've learned a tremendous amount by reading it.

I do have a question though - Under Step 3 / Preparation - Linear Direction under a photo of a speed trap set up targeting cars coming out of an underpass, it states in part that while ...... "the officer has a clear view of the vehicles, the direction of travel is not linear (they're coming up a slope) toward the officer. A laser gun reading would be suspect and easily attacked for its accuracy"

Could anyone explain exactly what this means? When a vehicle is traveling up or down a slope and is not on a level surface with the laser gun, the gun is still pointed in a straight line at the vehicle. Why would this affect the speed reading of the vehicle? Where's the error?

The reason this is important to me is I was coming down a sloping road.

If someone can answer this question it would be most appreciated. :?: :?:

_________________
away we go


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:23 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:49 pm
Posts: 1490
Location: somewhere in traffic
mboyko wrote:
I do have a question though - Under Step 3 / Preparation - Linear Direction under a photo of a speed trap set up targeting cars coming out of an underpass, it states in part that while ...... "the officer has a clear view of the vehicles, the direction of travel is not linear (they're coming up a slope) toward the officer. A laser gun reading would be suspect and easily attacked for its accuracy"

Could anyone explain exactly what this means? When a vehicle is traveling up or down a slope and is not on a level surface with the laser gun, the gun is still pointed in a straight line at the vehicle. Why would this affect the speed reading of the vehicle? Where's the error?

The reason this is important to me is I was coming down a sloping road.

If someone can answer this question it would be most appreciated. Question Question


What is referenced here is cosine (as in math class) error. If the gun is pointed in your direction and you are driving down or up a hill your linear position, with reference to the gun is not the same as travelling away from the gun on a flat road. This error works in your favour though, as the speed registered by the device reads lower then actual. In the event that the officer was shooting uphill with a LIDAR, laser, device, the beam could have easily hit the road in front of your vehicle, then your vehicle, causing an erroneous reading.

I think I might draw this up, it's easier to visualize.

_________________
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com


Top
 Profile  
 
76 in a 50 zone
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:40 pm 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:08 am
Posts: 2
Location: Toronto
I understand the cosine law erring in favour of the motorist. Doesn't sound like I'll win on that one.

How about the fatal error? The cop named the street but not address or intersection near by.

_________________
away we go


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:05 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:26 pm
Posts: 2881
Location: Toronto
The location on the ticket does not have to be specific. "Dundas St W" is enough. Unfortunately it is not a "fatal error."

Reflections mentions the possible error with the LIDAR. That's one avenue. It really depends on how receptive the JP is to hearing your argument, and how familiar the officer is with the equipment.

Your disclosure request will yield some information that can help you. You want the officer's notes to see if he tested the device before and after use, his observations, and compare that to the manual which should also be included in the disclosure. No manual = improper disclosure = trial stayed. Was there more than one officer at the scene?


Top
 Profile  
 
Re: 76 in a 50 zone
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:20 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:21 am
Posts: 2933
Location: In YOUR rearview mirror!
mboyko wrote:
How about the fatal error? The cop named the street but not address or intersection near by.


Unless it the offence is collision related there would not be a 2nd road listed. Another road has nothing to do with the offence.

Would not list a 911 number either as did not occur in a residence.

_________________
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Related topics
 Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Speeding at 86 km/hr in 70 km/hr zone.

nayyarmukul

6

1151

Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:26 pm

nayyarmukul View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Speeding 95 in 60 zone - please help!

nayyarmukul

0

1096

Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:08 am

nayyarmukul View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Attachment(s) Speeding 89 km in 60 km zone

Seoulkid

11

1860

Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:33 pm

Radar Identified View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. speeding 130 km/h on 90 km/h zone

jackqu

3

963

Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:25 pm

Traffic Law View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Speeding - 117km/h in 80 zone

astubbe

1

564

Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:15 am

racer View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Speeding 90 km/h in 70 km/h zone (Reduced)

schumacher

13

1516

Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:55 pm

downpat View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Speeding 108 Km/Hr in a 60 Km/Hr Zone

Flyingz

0

593

Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:40 am

Flyingz View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Speeding 90 km/hr in a 100 km/hr zone (?!)

Parnoble

1

895

Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:41 pm

daggx View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Speeding 102KM in a 60 Zone

Sonic

0

542

Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:55 pm

Sonic View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Toronto speeding 83 in 60 zone

Sandruas

4

1052

Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:25 am

287 View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Speeding Ticket for 89 km/h in 60 km/hr zone

bijalshah01

1

986

Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:24 pm

bend View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Trial for a speeding at 89 KM/hr on 60 KM/hr. zone

bijalshah01

4

821

Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:47 pm

xolunaxo View the latest post

 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Web Development & Search Engine Optimization
Home | Court Listings | Ontario Traffic Ticket

Copyright 2007 - 2017 © Microtekblue Inc. Web Development & Search Engine Optimization Service. We Support phpBB All Rights Reserved.