At 7:29AM on my own car's clock, I proceeded to turn right at an intersection that had a sign restricting right turns between 7:30AM and 6:00PM. I got stopped by an officer who's first question was "How do you like your new car?" and other time-wasting stall tactics. Eventually, at 7:36AM on my car's clock, he issued me my ticket noted at 7:40AM.
What gives? Can I mount an effective defense against the charge, besides hoping the officer doesn't show? What about a Notice of Constitutional Question, given that the offence was in May 2007 and my first trial date is June 2008?
Thanks for any info anyone can offer...
- Jr. Member
- Posts: 26
- Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:13 pm
- Location: Belleville, ON
I am not sure how I came across it, but it has all of the basic elements needed for the document.
At the Motion hearing, you will want to argue that your case has been prejudiced by the un-justified delay. You may also want to stress that any evidence given by witnesses may not be as reliable as memories do fade.
Be sure to let us know how you make out with your argument, if you have further questions, be sure to post them.
Made a turn just around 6:50 AM near Downsview... (don't know Toronto to well, so I pulled over to the side street). Was browsing at my map for a few minutes and the cop walked up to my car to give me a ticket (before the 7AM restriction)
I'm going to try and fight it. Offence date was early Nov 2007. Court date has been set for Jan 2009!
Couple things I have been considering to defend myself:
- Almost 15 months to defend myself?
- Verifying his source of time. I am going to request CPIC/MTO queries to verify the time he ran my plate. If he did it over the radio, going to see if I can get timestamps. He did this well before 7 AM - how could he have my DL# if the offence occured after 7AM?
- The no right turn sign is not posted in advance of the intersection (remember being a min distance in the HTA somewhere)
Anyhow - never been to court before (I prefer not to hang out there )... any suggestions on how I can present evidence? Thinking of going to watch a few cases to see how it works.
RE: Notice/Motion - is this something you need to wait for your court date for or something you file in advance of the court date?
Any suggestions would be great!
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
I have had time challenged in court before, guy brings in a gas receipt where he filled up 3km away....stated impossible to get from that gas station to the stopped location in the time indicated on the ticket compared to the gas receipt.....and he was an "engineer" and can make the calculations..distance over time......anyway, prosecutor asked what time my watch was on the stand, I told him, turned to the big court clock, it was different.....JP quickly tossed that defence as the JP's watch did not match mine or the court clock. Basically as long as it was the proper day and time was relatively close it's good to go.tmtu wrote: Verifying his source of time. I am going to request CPIC/MTO queries to verify the time he ran my plate. If he did it over the radio, going to see if I can get timestamps. He did this well before 7 AM - how could he have my DL# if the offence occured after 7AM?
However, I can certainly see the importance in your situation, but don't know how to clarify the time issue.
That is not the case for a "no turn sign". It also does not make sense. The sign must be visible if stopped at that intersection. So when the light changes or whatever, the driver can't say they didn't see the sign, which would be the case if it was posted prior to the intersection.tmtu wrote: - The no right turn sign is not posted in advance of the intersection (remember being a min distance in the HTA somewhere)
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
Regarding the time of day being close to when you are/not allowed to turn, you can mount a strict liability defence stating you believed the time still permitted you to make the turn. You are morally innocent, especially if we are talking about only a few minutes.
For tmtu's charge (since your court date is still pending next year), most restricted turns in Toronto are not valid as the sign has to be bilingual. If the sign restricts a specific time of day than you can easily have the ticket tossed. Discussion board rules prevent me from linking to my own site but step by step instructions to make the argument can be found in "Step 5". Click the "bilingual defence" link on the right navigation bar.
Fight Your Ticket!
- Similar Topics
New post Fail to Obey a stop sign-ticket has no intersection
Last post by jsherkreplies: 1
Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:00 am
Posted in Failing to obey a stop sign, traffic control stop/slow sign, traffic light or railway crossing signalby fisherman888 in Failing to obey a stop sign, traffic control stop/slow sign, traffic light or railway crossing signalLast post by jsherk Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:00 am
New post 144(18) - Proceed Before Green - Early Res Question
Last post by argyllreplies: 3
Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:19 pm
Posted in Failing to obey a stop sign, traffic control stop/slow sign, traffic light or railway crossing signalby yvr-to-yyz in Failing to obey a stop sign, traffic control stop/slow sign, traffic light or railway crossing signalLast post by argyll Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:19 pm
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest