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Bookm wrote: Otherwise defense strategies would have to be bloated masses of "possible" lines of questioning that would totally swamp the courts time every time there is a trial..

so everyone should just be pleading guilty with the proper notes!! Hence why the Quebec system works!

While drivers are cheering over new speed limiters required in transports and the OPP does its best to get people to slow down, there is someone else who is advocating the opposite. MPP Randy Hillier says he'd like to see the speed limit on the 400 series of highways increased to 110 kilometres an hour and the limiters abolished. The PC party ...

TORONTO STAR

A Brampton man driving with a suspended license after a previous street-racing conviction was clocked at 190 km/h on Hwy. 407 this morning.

The 27-year-old suspect was driving east near Weston Rd. around 6:50 a.m. when police spotted the vehicle travelling at a high rate of speed, said Ontario Provincial Police Const. Dave Woodford ...

Would this make a difference to the JP? My "gut" says, Improper Disclosure .

Don't think it is improper disclosure.

What happens is our court has a file for each case and can track everything on the front of the file (ie: first court date, resolution meeting, next court date, adjournments, disclosure etc..) Something like the "police notes ...

I will always have my lights on when on the shoulder and that is completing my "paperwork" from the previous stop which is more than justified.

Now personally, unless I have someone stopped, another cruiser has someone stopped OR the person I just sent on their way is merging onto the highway and up to speed, I won't bother anyone.

However, come ...

'Bear wrote that the request for disclosure comes from the prosocuter to him....can't find it right now......so why wouldn't it go from him to the prosocuter to the defendant?????

Almost exactly.... here is how my office runs things....seems easy enough

- person uses option # 3 and returns PON to court
- court sends trial notice to defendant ...

Well, ahem: There is case law that refers to officers notes and whether or not something took place. Case in point: http://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2007/2007oncj266/2007oncj266.html .

Read all that, but that is specific times req'd for test times.

For example if I have a follow too close offence and I maybe I put
DR: Smith, John 01JAN71 ...

Curious from someone else point...what is the big deal BS about police notes and whether they are legible to someone else or not?

Notes are not the end all be all, notes are made to merely refresh my own personal memory of the incident and nothing more.

OR if my notes are legible but all in code that I know...again is to refresh my memory not ...

Do NOT reply!! this is a double post

see identical posting at:

http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic580.html

Squishy wrote:You should have jogged in place alongside his window, yelling "Slow down!" while grabbing your hat to keep it from flying off.

Excellent!!! At least I would not be sprayed with mud.....and get my real boss (home) really really pissed...althou I think she would tell me to put the clothes where the sun don't shine if I tried that!

Squishy....had that similiar thing about 7yrs ago......went to a possible impaired driver call, driver lost it and went into a soybean field (spring time no crop), so driver i sitting there spinning the tires, turning the steering wheel, I knock on the window....looks at me, rolls down window and tells me..."I'll never catch up" and guns it....mud ...

PetitionGuy wrote:

hwybear wrote:Fantino has been an excellent leader for us.

are you sure about that?

Absolutely!!! The best that I have seen at the helm in my career.

All you see is newpaper writings and most times is biased reporting at that. The public does not see the day to day operations and how things have changed for the better for the employees.

Squishy wrote:Which section is it?

159.1 ( 1 ) and 159.1 ( 2 )

As for Fantino.. Ever since the very idea of Bill 203 came out, he started chasing cameras to find every opportunity to advance his future political career by being out there in the media..
I don't think it was a bad thing to get right out front and centre with the media in regards to Bill 203. The gov't did not say much, so Fantino did...at ...

Last fall an MC outran OPP near Woodstock area as the cruiser tried to pull him over.....only thing the MC driver didn't know was that the OPP Cesna was the one that "clocked" him to begin with.....so they let him go, followed him via air, had ground units move in, he outruns again......plane follows him to another location (gas station) where he ...

Here, here Racer..

thumbs up! (we need more smilies)

I see so much of this type of thing you mention (nanny state) Racer. I have seen so much whinning, sniveling, etc of everyone for anything....how many protests do you see, everyday there is a protest. We have rights groups out our @$$. We have inquires out our butt too. Criminals have more ...

I wouldn't even know how to find last weeks stats, much less last year or the year before.

Maybe under the OPP main website, the annual report 2008/2007
http://www.opp.ca/Intranetdev/groups/public/documents/businessservices/opp_002587.pdf

It just does not make a difference to me, calls will happen no matter how many stats there is. Just can't ...

tdrive2 wrote:Cool but bear do you guys have some sort of limit your not supposed to exceed in a chase or in general?

We have to be able to justify our speed (slow or fast) when asked.

Again to all of you that say this law has saved so many lives.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/orsar/orsar04/chp2_04.shtml#ref_2a
(scroll down to 2.8)
I like the part where it mentions speed to fast and to fast for conditions accounts for about 160 out of 1200 collisions, and the fact that some almost 500 or just under half this amount ...

tdrive2 wrote: If this does get repealed this will make big time news. Well if its gets changed i heard Fantino's time is up soon

The law was not put into affect by Fantino, but by "your" elected government period.
Fantino has been an excellent leader for us. The most important thing is he supports the very front line officers that work day/night.

Besides i heard cops are not supposed to exceed 200 or 180 or something in a pursuit if they have to go faster they are supposed to call ahead?

Does this also apply to emergencies (tractor trail crash on side of hwy, etc)

Every pursuit the air is "open" so units ahead can get in position
The "heard cops" thing is a rumour.

Most calls for ...

PetitionGuy wrote:

ticketcombat wrote:Sorry to rain on this parade but the MacLeans article is out of date and the JP in the case does not know her recent case law.

that article is from 7 days ago...and apparently, the JP in the case just made recent case law?

JP made a decision, not case law.

I'll pull out my tennis ball (can't afford the crystal ball) and gaze into the fuzzy side ...

The ball is predicting that the future holds a change to part of the act.

The vehicle impoundment part will be removed, but the 7 day suspension will stand.

Just for ya Bookm....

"Stops Kill"

Lucky did not issue a 3rd ticket: "Fail to have a validated permit" (validation sticker that goes on the licence plate, there is a corresponding sticker that goes on the back of the permit)

There can be 2 charges for the insurance card:
1) Fail to surrender insurance card
2) Fail to have insurance card
Both are a total of $65.

PrincessKyle wrote:The sats show convenient numbers, done on test subjects that are taken in convenient demographics....

We have shown stats can be construed to whom ever wants the "point" they want to make.

knight_yyz wrote:but you stated you park perpendicular to the road when you are on duty. which means you would be looking through the windshield? .

I park at an area which is at an intersection, see directly thru the side windows as the vehicle is stopped at a stop sign.

Bear, do you think BAC is a good measure of the level of impairment?

We are speaking of 2 different things there. There is:
1) Driving with more than 80mgs of alcohol in 100ml of blood. This is the total amount a person has consumed.
2) Impaired driving - if the symptoms and signs are there after 1 drink, theoretically one could be charged with ...

Bookm....think we did this beer ratio thing before.

Good quick guideline. (weight, sex will affect it, but this is a standard average)

1 drink (beer, glass wine, 1 shot) = 15 mgs of alcohol in 100ml of blood.
2 drinks = 30mgs
3 drinks = 45mgs
4 drinks = 60mgs etc

Body Eliminates 15mgs of alcohol per hour.

Unfortunately, this modern era of policing seems to associate performance with number of tickets written.
I have never been told to write any more or less tickets. Nor have I seen anyone with a handful of tickets for a month get bothered either.

I think the police strategy has become: write multiple tickets so that the crown will negotiate down ...