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144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

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I was pulled over and told I went through a red light during a right turn. I learned through a friend who is a police constable that the one who pulled me over is new to the job (under a year, and possibly even the first month or two of real duty). I was given a ticket for $180. I have some questions: (1) Is this offense automatically associated with 3 demerit points? I see no mention of them on the ticket, but is that understood for a 144(18) charge? (2) I have been driving for over 10 years with a perfect record. How significantly will this affect my insurance rate? (3) Do the demerit points stay on your record for three years after the ticket is written or three years after the date of conviction? (4) Is it worthwhile to plead not-guilty or is there any technique that may be beneficial for me, perhaps utilizing the services of POINTTS? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I was pulled over and told I went through a red light during a right turn. I learned through a friend who is a police constable that the one who pulled me over is new to the job (under a year, and possibly even the first month or two of real duty).

I was given a ticket for $180. I have some questions:

(1) Is this offense automatically associated with 3 demerit points? I see no mention of them on the ticket, but is that understood for a 144(18) charge?

(2) I have been driving for over 10 years with a perfect record. How significantly will this affect my insurance rate?

(3) Do the demerit points stay on your record for three years after the ticket is written or three years after the date of conviction?

(4) Is it worthwhile to plead not-guilty or is there any technique that may be beneficial for me, perhaps utilizing the services of POINTTS?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Please help me fight my ticket.
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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

1. Yes, this offense "awards" you 3 points. The tickets never tell the number of points. 2. You'll likely see it on your bill. Maybe extra $200 per year, for 3 years. However, ***SOME*** companies let the 1-st one like that slip. 3. It is 2 years after the date of conviction. Say you pay today - you're guilty today, the clock starts ticking down. The offense stays on your record for life though, but for insurance purposes it is 3 years after conviction. 4. Yes! That's what we are here for! What you want to do is file the ticket as "not guilty" (option 3 checked off), check "Officer present" on the ticket. Once you get a court date, file for disclosure. Read ticketcombat's site, there is lots of info there to start you off!

1. Yes, this offense "awards" you 3 points. The tickets never tell the number of points.

2. You'll likely see it on your bill. Maybe extra $200 per year, for 3 years. However, ***SOME*** companies let the 1-st one like that slip.

3. It is 2 years after the date of conviction. Say you pay today - you're guilty today, the clock starts ticking down. The offense stays on your record for life though, but for insurance purposes it is 3 years after conviction.

4. Yes! That's what we are here for!

What you want to do is file the ticket as "not guilty" (option 3 checked off), check "Officer present" on the ticket. Once you get a court date, file for disclosure. Read ticketcombat's site, there is lots of info there to start you off!

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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

*gulp*, for LIFE? Is there no way to request a pardon of some sort? Even a murder charge does not stay on for life! :shock: It was a rolling stop on a red light ticket, allegedly ;) I really don't want this flaw on my record. I have no record of any sort and in fact only got my first ever parking ticket within the past year.

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The offense stays on your record for life though

*gulp*, for LIFE? Is there no way to request a pardon of some sort? Even a murder charge does not stay on for life! :shock:

It was a rolling stop on a red light ticket, allegedly ;) I really don't want this flaw on my record. I have no record of any sort and in fact only got my first ever parking ticket within the past year.

Please help me fight my ticket.
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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

*gulp*, for LIFE? Is there no way to request a pardon of some sort? Even a murder charge does not stay on for life! :shock: It was a rolling stop on a red light ticket, allegedly ;) I really don't want this flaw on my record. I have no record of any sort and in fact only got my first ever parking ticket within the past year. Every ticket stays on your record. Don't worry, 1 is not huge.......no that I have more then that......ahem. :oops:

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racer wrote:

The offense stays on your record for life though

*gulp*, for LIFE? Is there no way to request a pardon of some sort? Even a murder charge does not stay on for life! :shock:

It was a rolling stop on a red light ticket, allegedly ;) I really don't want this flaw on my record. I have no record of any sort and in fact only got my first ever parking ticket within the past year.

Every ticket stays on your record. Don't worry, 1 is not huge.......no that I have more then that......ahem. :oops:

http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

*gulp*, for LIFE? Is there no way to request a pardon of some sort? Even a murder charge does not stay on for life! :shock: It was a rolling stop on a red light ticket, allegedly ;) I really don't want this flaw on my record. I have no record of any sort and in fact only got my first ever parking ticket within the past year. It's a traffic ticket we are talking about. US Customs won't hassle you at the border if you have a red light. The only thing it affects is the break the next officer will be willing to give you... Insurance will stop caring about the ticket 3 years after conviction. MTO will stop caring about it and erase the points after 2 years.

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racer wrote:

The offense stays on your record for life though

*gulp*, for LIFE? Is there no way to request a pardon of some sort? Even a murder charge does not stay on for life! :shock:

It was a rolling stop on a red light ticket, allegedly ;) I really don't want this flaw on my record. I have no record of any sort and in fact only got my first ever parking ticket within the past year.

It's a traffic ticket we are talking about. US Customs won't hassle you at the border if you have a red light. The only thing it affects is the break the next officer will be willing to give you...

Insurance will stop caring about the ticket 3 years after conviction.

MTO will stop caring about it and erase the points after 2 years.

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The Red Light ticket the officer gave you has 3 demerit points on it. If you pay the ticket it will go on your driving record for 3 years to which your insurance company has access to and can base your insurance rate on. Its a particularly bad ticket because your insurance company will perceive that your driving through intersections against the traffic lights and likely to be involved in an accident, thereby increasing your insurance rates. Its important to make sure you fight it.

The Red Light ticket the officer gave you has 3 demerit points on it.

If you pay the ticket it will go on your driving record for 3 years to which your insurance company has access to and can base your insurance rate on.

Its a particularly bad ticket because your insurance company will perceive that your driving through intersections against the traffic lights and likely to be involved in an accident, thereby increasing your insurance rates.

Its important to make sure you fight it.

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I really hope I have some chance of winning it... The cop is a rookie so I hope he is unaware of some of the legal procedures. I'm REALLY worried about this ticket, my future, and my ability to travel to other countries after receiving this ticket.

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The Red Light ticket the officer gave you has 3 demerit points on it.

If you pay the ticket it will go on your driving record for 3 years to which your insurance company has access to and can base your insurance rate on.

Its a particularly bad ticket because your insurance company will perceive that your driving through intersections against the traffic lights and likely to be involved in an accident, thereby increasing your insurance rates.

Its important to make sure you fight it.

I really hope I have some chance of winning it...

The cop is a rookie so I hope he is unaware of some of the legal procedures.

I'm REALLY worried about this ticket, my future, and my ability to travel to other countries after receiving this ticket.

Please help me fight my ticket.
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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

You have not been charges properly. The ticket you were issued is invalid thus they is no valid proceeding before the court. You cannot be convicted and even if they convict you then you will win your case on appeal. S. 8 of the POA allows you to settle out of court by pleading guilty and paying the set fine. Now look at the ticket you were issued. It tells you that in order to settle out of court you must pay the total payable. The toal payable includes a victim surcharge fine and a court cost fine. They're trying to rip you off. The ticket form is invalid. It is not in compliance with the law; POA s. 8. You have choices on hiw to proceed. You can just ignore the ticket all together and after they convict you you will appeal and point out the error and win your case. Or, you can request a trial and once in court, prior to pleding not guilty, you will make a motion for the justice to quash your charge due to the same error described above. If the justice refuses to quash your proceeding, then you'll end up being convicted and again you will win on appeal. The justice will try and tell you that he has the power to amend the ticket but he's full of *EDIT*. He might offer you an adjournment. Say no. There is no valid proceeding before him so he cannot amend anything, and besides not only is the sum of money incorrect the written instruction errors on the ticket is preprinted so he cannot amend that anyway. Which ever way you proceed, you'll win, and if you don't you'll prove that I'm not the Greatest Canadian.

You have not been charges properly. The ticket you were issued is invalid thus they is no valid proceeding before the court. You cannot be convicted and even if they convict you then you will win your case on appeal.

S. 8 of the POA allows you to settle out of court by pleading guilty and paying the set fine.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut ... .htm#BK165

Payment out of court

8. (1) Where an offence notice is served on a defendant who does not wish to dispute the charge, the defendant may sign the plea of guilty on the offence notice and deliver the offence notice and amount of the set fine to the office of the court specified in the notice.

Now look at the ticket you were issued. It tells you that in order to settle out of court you must pay the total payable. The toal payable includes a victim surcharge fine and a court cost fine. They're trying to rip you off.

The ticket form is invalid. It is not in compliance with the law; POA s. 8.

You have choices on hiw to proceed. You can just ignore the ticket all together and after they convict you you will appeal and point out the error and win your case.

Or, you can request a trial and once in court, prior to pleding not guilty, you will make a motion for the justice to quash your charge due to the same error described above.

If the justice refuses to quash your proceeding, then you'll end up being convicted and again you will win on appeal. The justice will try and tell you that he has the power to amend the ticket but he's full of *EDIT*. He might offer you an adjournment. Say no. There is no valid proceeding before him so he cannot amend anything, and besides not only is the sum of money incorrect the written instruction errors on the ticket is preprinted so he cannot amend that anyway.

Which ever way you proceed, you'll win, and if you don't you'll prove that I'm not the Greatest Canadian.

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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

Now look at the ticket you were issued. It tells you that in order to settle out of court you must pay the total payable. The toal payable includes a victim surcharge fine and a court cost fine. They're trying to rip you off. The ticket form is invalid. It is not in compliance with the law; POA s. 8. You have choices on hiw to proceed. You can just ignore the ticket all together and after they convict you you will appeal and point out the error and win your case. Or, you can request a trial and once in court, prior to pleding not guilty, you will make a motion for the justice to quash your charge due to the same error described above. If the justice refuses to quash your proceeding, then you'll end up being convicted and again you will win on appeal. The justice will try and tell you that he has the power to amend the ticket but he's full of *EDIT*. He might offer you an adjournment. Say no. There is no valid proceeding before him so he cannot amend anything, and besides not only is the sum of money incorrect the written instruction errors on the ticket is preprinted so he cannot amend that anyway. Which ever way you proceed, you'll win, and if you don't you'll prove that I'm not the Greatest Canadian. This is the best post ever! I have had the most stressful week of my entire life after getting this ticket and this is a huge relief. Has anyone tried this method with success?

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You have not been charges properly. The ticket you were issued is invalid thus they is no valid proceeding before the court. You cannot be convicted and even if they convict you then you will win your case on appeal.

S. 8 of the POA allows you to settle out of court by pleading guilty and paying the set fine.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut ... .htm#BK165

Payment out of court

8. (1) Where an offence notice is served on a defendant who does not wish to dispute the charge, the defendant may sign the plea of guilty on the offence notice and deliver the offence notice and amount of the set fine to the office of the court specified in the notice.

Now look at the ticket you were issued. It tells you that in order to settle out of court you must pay the total payable. The toal payable includes a victim surcharge fine and a court cost fine. They're trying to rip you off.

The ticket form is invalid. It is not in compliance with the law; POA s. 8.

You have choices on hiw to proceed. You can just ignore the ticket all together and after they convict you you will appeal and point out the error and win your case.

Or, you can request a trial and once in court, prior to pleding not guilty, you will make a motion for the justice to quash your charge due to the same error described above.

If the justice refuses to quash your proceeding, then you'll end up being convicted and again you will win on appeal. The justice will try and tell you that he has the power to amend the ticket but he's full of *EDIT*. He might offer you an adjournment. Say no. There is no valid proceeding before him so he cannot amend anything, and besides not only is the sum of money incorrect the written instruction errors on the ticket is preprinted so he cannot amend that anyway.

Which ever way you proceed, you'll win, and if you don't you'll prove that I'm not the Greatest Canadian.

This is the best post ever! I have had the most stressful week of my entire life after getting this ticket and this is a huge relief.

Has anyone tried this method with success?

Please help me fight my ticket.
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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

Now look at the ticket you were issued. It tells you that in order to settle out of court you must pay the total payable. The toal payable includes a victim surcharge fine and a court cost fine. They're trying to rip you off. The ticket form is invalid. It is not in compliance with the law; POA s. 8. You have choices on hiw to proceed. You can just ignore the ticket all together and after they convict you you will appeal and point out the error and win your case. Or, you can request a trial and once in court, prior to pleding not guilty, you will make a motion for the justice to quash your charge due to the same error described above. If the justice refuses to quash your proceeding, then you'll end up being convicted and again you will win on appeal. The justice will try and tell you that he has the power to amend the ticket but he's full of *EDIT*. He might offer you an adjournment. Say no. There is no valid proceeding before him so he cannot amend anything, and besides not only is the sum of money incorrect the written instruction errors on the ticket is preprinted so he cannot amend that anyway. Which ever way you proceed, you'll win, and if you don't you'll prove that I'm not the Greatest Canadian. This is the best post ever! I have had the most stressful week of my entire life after getting this ticket and this is a huge relief. Has anyone tried this method with success? Carefull! GC has some grand ideas, but nothing proven in court. I would PM him and ask if he'll represent you throughout the process and post the results so the rest of us can learn. As for your insurance question, every carrier will have different rules. Here's a list of questions I asked MY carrier and I base my decisions re. ticket options on his answers. http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic911.html

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Greatest Canadian wrote:

You have not been charges properly. The ticket you were issued is invalid thus they is no valid proceeding before the court. You cannot be convicted and even if they convict you then you will win your case on appeal.

S. 8 of the POA allows you to settle out of court by pleading guilty and paying the set fine.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut ... .htm#BK165

Payment out of court

8. (1) Where an offence notice is served on a defendant who does not wish to dispute the charge, the defendant may sign the plea of guilty on the offence notice and deliver the offence notice and amount of the set fine to the office of the court specified in the notice.

Now look at the ticket you were issued. It tells you that in order to settle out of court you must pay the total payable. The toal payable includes a victim surcharge fine and a court cost fine. They're trying to rip you off.

The ticket form is invalid. It is not in compliance with the law; POA s. 8.

You have choices on hiw to proceed. You can just ignore the ticket all together and after they convict you you will appeal and point out the error and win your case.

Or, you can request a trial and once in court, prior to pleding not guilty, you will make a motion for the justice to quash your charge due to the same error described above.

If the justice refuses to quash your proceeding, then you'll end up being convicted and again you will win on appeal. The justice will try and tell you that he has the power to amend the ticket but he's full of *EDIT*. He might offer you an adjournment. Say no. There is no valid proceeding before him so he cannot amend anything, and besides not only is the sum of money incorrect the written instruction errors on the ticket is preprinted so he cannot amend that anyway.

Which ever way you proceed, you'll win, and if you don't you'll prove that I'm not the Greatest Canadian.

This is the best post ever! I have had the most stressful week of my entire life after getting this ticket and this is a huge relief.

Has anyone tried this method with success?

Carefull! GC has some grand ideas, but nothing proven in court. I would PM him and ask if he'll represent you throughout the process and post the results so the rest of us can learn.

As for your insurance question, every carrier will have different rules. Here's a list of questions I asked MY carrier and I base my decisions re. ticket options on his answers.

http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic911.html

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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

Well, I guess that about covers it. The police seem to get off lightly.

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... judges are not "honourable, they are ... Scum of the Earth ... most JPs are ... Scum of the Earth ... most crowns are ... Scum of the Earth ... most cops are simply cement heads.

Well, I guess that about covers it. The police seem to get off lightly.

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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

Phew, good thing I'm taking the LEO route instead of law school. Could have been a disaster. :shock:

Phew, good thing I'm taking the LEO route instead of law school. Could have been a disaster. :shock:

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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

If I go to the Justice of the Peace and give him a sob story which is actually a true one, can he throw out the ticket or allow me to take a driver's re-education course or anything along those lines? I don't care about paying money, I just don't want to have a record. What is the absolutely most intelligent thing I can do from a sheerly probability perspective at this point?

If I go to the Justice of the Peace and give him a sob story which is actually a true one, can he throw out the ticket or allow me to take a driver's re-education course or anything along those lines? I don't care about paying money, I just don't want to have a record.

What is the absolutely most intelligent thing I can do from a sheerly probability perspective at this point?

Please help me fight my ticket.
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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

1. Does the Justice of the Peace have the power to throw out a ticket? 2. If a police officer does not tell me about demerit points, is that a fatal error? He did not inform me.

1. Does the Justice of the Peace have the power to throw out a ticket?

2. If a police officer does not tell me about demerit points, is that a fatal error? He did not inform me.

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1. Yes. The JP can throw out tickets, quash proceedings, stay proceedings, as well as convict you :roll: 2. No. The police are not required to tell you how many points there are with your charge at all.

1. Yes. The JP can throw out tickets, quash proceedings, stay proceedings, as well as convict you :roll:

2. No. The police are not required to tell you how many points there are with your charge at all.

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1. No, I think the Justice of the Peace is who you plead guilty with explanation too. JP can reduce your fines, but they can't throw it out. You need a Trial to get your ticket thrown out. 2. An LEO doesn't have to tell you anything about demerit points.

1. No, I think the Justice of the Peace is who you plead guilty with explanation too. JP can reduce your fines, but they can't throw it out. You need a Trial to get your ticket thrown out.

2. An LEO doesn't have to tell you anything about demerit points.

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As a "statutory" Court (a Court created by statute), the Ontario Court of Justice has that jurisdiction which is specifically given to it by the laws of Ontario and Canada. In broad terms, the justices of the peace of the Court have jurisdiction with respect to provincial offences, bail hearings and search warrants. Judges of the Court deal with a wide range of family law cases (including child protection, custody, access, support and adoption) as well as the overwhelming majority of criminal charges laid within the province.

As a "statutory" Court (a Court created by statute), the Ontario Court of Justice has that jurisdiction which is specifically given to it by the laws of Ontario and Canada. In broad terms, the justices of the peace of the Court have jurisdiction with respect to provincial offences, bail hearings and search warrants. Judges of the Court deal with a wide range of family law cases (including child protection, custody, access, support and adoption) as well as the overwhelming majority of criminal charges laid within the province.

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A Justice of Peace is not a judge. Only a Judge can throw your case out. Anyone can become a Justice of Peace: http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/jpaac/en ... cation.htm

A Justice of Peace is not a judge. Only a Judge can throw your case out.

Anyone can become a Justice of Peace:

http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/jpaac/en ... cation.htm

Qualifications and Selection Criteria for a Justice of the Peace in Ontario

Minimum qualifications for consideration for an appointment as a justice of the peace are set out in s. 2.1(15), (16) and (17) of the Justices of the Peace Act, as follows:

Qualification

(15) A candidate shall not be considered by the Justices of the Peace Appointment Advisory Committee unless he or she has performed paid or volunteer work equivalent to at least 10 years of full-time experience and,

(a) has a university degree;

(b) has a diploma or advanced diploma granted by a college of applied arts and technology or a community college following completion of a program that is the equivalent in class hours of a full-time program of at least four academic semesters;

(c) has a degree from an institution, other than a university, that is authorized to grant the degree,

(i) under the Post-secondary Education Choice and Excellence Act, 2000

(ii) under a special Act of the Assembly that establishes or governs the institution, or

(iii) under legislation of another province or territory of Canada;

(d) has successfully completed a program designated as an equivalency under subsection (16); or

(e) meets the equivalency requirement set out in subsection (17). 2006, c. 21, Sched. B, s. 3.

Equivalency programs

(16) For the purposes of clause (15) (d), the Attorney General may designate programs that involve training in the justice system, including programs designed to enhance diversity in the justice system, as programs that meet the educational equivalency, and shall make the list of programs so designated public. 2006, c. 21, Sched. B, s. 3.

Exceptional qualifications

(17) For the purposes of clause (15) (e), a candidate may be considered to have met the equivalency requirement if he or she clearly demonstrates exceptional qualifications, including life experience, but does not have the educational requirements set out in clauses (15) (a) to (d). 2006, c. 21, Sched. B, s. 3.

General Selection Criteria For Evaluating Candidates

In addition, the Act requires the Justices of the Peace Appointments Advisory Committee to develop general selection criteria. The following have been adopted by the Committee:

Skills and Abilities

* Skills, experience and/or education relevant and transferrable to the work of a justice of the peace

* A high level of achievement in the area(s) of paid or volunteer work

* An awareness, interest in and understanding of the role of a justice of the peace

* Strong intellectual, analytical and decision-making abilities

* Strong listening skills

* Strong written and oral communication skills

* Ability to work independently, managing time and heavy workload without supervision

* Ability to make sound and timely judgments

* Ability to keep an open mind while hearing all sides of an argument

* Capacity to handle stress, pressures and isolation of the judicial role

* Strong, dignified interpersonal skills

* Computer skills

* Ability and willingness to learn

* Ability to travel as required

* Ability to present a clear, concise and well-written application document that is reflective of the candidates interest and ability

* Bilingual ability (may be required in some base court locations)

Personal Characteristics

* Demonstrates good judgment and common sense

* Politeness, compassion, empathy and respect for the essential dignity of all persons

* Keen interest in people and humanity

* Moral courage and high ethics

* Patience

* Punctuality and good regular work habits

* A reputation for integrity and fairness

* An absence of pomposity and authoritarian tendencies

* Courtesy

* Honesty

* Reliability and preparedness

* Not involved in serious, unresolved professional complaints/claims, civil actions or financial claims including proposals to creditors or family support arrears or bankruptcy

Community Awareness

* A demonstrated commitment to community service

* Awareness of and an interest in regional and social issues that give rise to cases coming before the courts

In its review process, the Committee recognizes the importance of reflecting the diversity of Ontarios population in appointments of justices of the peace.

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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

For demerit points, it's actually 2 years from the date of offense. If the trial takes 16 months, the points will only show up for the last 8 months. Everything else though takes place from date of conviction.

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3. It is 2 years after the date of conviction. Say you pay today - you're guilty today, the clock starts ticking down. The offense stays on your record for life though, but for insurance purposes it is 3 years after conviction.

For demerit points, it's actually 2 years from the date of offense. If the trial takes 16 months, the points will only show up for the last 8 months.

Everything else though takes place from date of conviction.

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For demerit points, it's actually 2 years from the date of offense. If the trial takes 16 months, the points will only show up for the last 8 months. Everything else though takes place from date of conviction. That's great news! So it would be in my interest to prolong the trial as much as possible. How do I "file for disclosure"?

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3. It is 2 years after the date of conviction. Say you pay today - you're guilty today, the clock starts ticking down. The offense stays on your record for life though, but for insurance purposes it is 3 years after conviction.

For demerit points, it's actually 2 years from the date of offense. If the trial takes 16 months, the points will only show up for the last 8 months.

Everything else though takes place from date of conviction.

That's great news! So it would be in my interest to prolong the trial as much as possible.

How do I "file for disclosure"?

Please help me fight my ticket.
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Re: 144(18) - Alleged rolling stop on a red light.

Send in a typed & signed form by fax, registered mail, or drop it off at the courthouse - make sure you get a receipt if you drop it off! Ticketcombat's website gives a sample form: http://www.ticketcombat.com/step4/disclosurehow.php A word of caution: The "specific request" in the sample disclosure form that Ticketcombat provides does not fully apply to your case. What you want is to request a full copy of the officer's notes. If you no longer have a copy of your ticket, ask for a photocopy of the ticket as well. Note that on TC's sample form it says a "photocopy of the front & back of the ticket," but the back is where the officer may (if they choose to do so) insert notes. Otherwise, it will simply be blank and the officer's notes will come from his/her notebook, so asking for the back to be photocopied is not necessary. Retain a copy of your disclosure request as well. If you go to the courthouse to drop it off, keep a record of the name of the clerk you spoke with, date and time, and what was said. This is in case they try to play any games with you, such as "we don't accept disclosure requests like this" or "you'll need to get a legally accredited individual to file this" or other cute little tricks that they think are acceptable. :roll:

Send in a typed & signed form by fax, registered mail, or drop it off at the courthouse - make sure you get a receipt if you drop it off!

Ticketcombat's website gives a sample form:

http://www.ticketcombat.com/step4/disclosurehow.php

A word of caution: The "specific request" in the sample disclosure form that Ticketcombat provides does not fully apply to your case. What you want is to request a full copy of the officer's notes. If you no longer have a copy of your ticket, ask for a photocopy of the ticket as well. Note that on TC's sample form it says a "photocopy of the front & back of the ticket," but the back is where the officer may (if they choose to do so) insert notes. Otherwise, it will simply be blank and the officer's notes will come from his/her notebook, so asking for the back to be photocopied is not necessary.

Retain a copy of your disclosure request as well. If you go to the courthouse to drop it off, keep a record of the name of the clerk you spoke with, date and time, and what was said. This is in case they try to play any games with you, such as "we don't accept disclosure requests like this" or "you'll need to get a legally accredited individual to file this" or other cute little tricks that they think are acceptable. :roll:

* The above is NOT legal advice. By acting on anything I have said, you assume responsibility for any outcome and consequences. *
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