Our website is made possible by displaying online advertisements to our visitors.
Please consider supporting us by disabling your ad blocker.

Ontario Highway Traffic Act

Discuss the Ontario Highway Traffic Act.


Post Your Traffic Ticket, and Get Help!


The Ontario Traffic Ticket Forum!


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 22 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Check It Out
No unread posts New Set Fines Starting Sept 1st, 2015! Read and Learn Here.
  Print view

Red light camera ticket while turning right
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:39 pm 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:23 pm
Posts: 3
Hi,

I just got a red light camera ticket (form 5) from Bronson/Carling intersection in Ottawa.

I clearly remember that I was making a right turn and stop signals as well as the right turning signal are visible on the first picture. (I most likely did a rolling stop, but lets pretend I did not say that). The reason I remember this so well is because it was at night (2:49am) and I got blinded by the flash.

Now on the second picture that is supposed to be showing me crossing the intersection shows absolutely empty intersection (it is night time though so it is actually extremely unclear) because by that time I already completed the right turn.

Two questions:

-Do I have enough evidence to have the ticket dismissed (I will try to post the scanned copy of the ticket a bit later)?

-Is it possible to somehow fight it by mail? I now work in Montreal and there is no way I can come in to court during a week day.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:58 pm 
Offline
VIP
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:27 pm
Posts: 959
Location: Guelph, Ontario
1) Yes.

2) Yes, however, the crown might provide additional arguments to which your mail-in submission might or might not answer.

_________________
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"

www.OHTA.ca & www.OntarioHighwayTrafficAct.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:31 pm 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:23 pm
Posts: 3
I guess I should have been a little bit more specific in my question:

-Would arguing that I made a full stop, and then proceeded through an intersection making a right turn get me out of the ticket? Supporting this with a claim that the stop lights and turn signal are on?
-Would the fact that my car is not even present on the second picture be enough by itself to dismiss the ticket?

-How does mail-in trial work? Do I have to call somewhere to arrange that? There is no information on the ticket about that.

By the way the ticket is here:
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx33 ... 010886.jpg

I appreciate all comments and advice.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:39 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:23 pm
Posts: 150
If this goes to trial, you don't need to take the stand to lie that you made a full stop (perjury is a serious offence). The burden of proof is on the prosecutor to prove the charge, you will cross examine the witness and/or poke holes into the prosecutor arguments to create doubt or to prove there was not enough evidence to warrant the charge in your case as your car is not seen in the second picture.

There are cases in the red light ticket section of this forum that may give you more info. Good luck


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:18 am 
Offline
VIP
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:27 pm
Posts: 959
Location: Guelph, Ontario
So, basically, you completed a turn in 1.5 seconds. You might argue that you did stop for a split second and then proceeded to make the right turn. But I am fairly certain your car needs to be in that second picture.

_________________
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"

www.OHTA.ca & www.OntarioHighwayTrafficAct.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:28 am 
Offline
VIP
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:27 pm
Posts: 959
Location: Guelph, Ontario
As for mail-in submission, I think you need to download Form 18A. Seems the closest one to description.

For the forms, visit: http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic1551.html

_________________
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"

www.OHTA.ca & www.OntarioHighwayTrafficAct.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:20 pm 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:22 pm
Posts: 2
I got exactly the same sort of ticket at the same intersection. The car is in my wife's name can I represent her in court? What is the procedure to do this?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:33 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:04 pm
Posts: 1048
Location: Ontario, Canada
Red light camera tickets should not be fought the traditional way. You will lose in trial. Why? Well there is a Picture of YOU going through the red light! :P

It might be better to just try to get a plea bargain and get your fine reduced.

_________________
Visit us at: Ontario Ticket OR OHTA OR Ontario Traffic Act OR Highway Traffic Act


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:51 pm 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:23 pm
Posts: 3
I called the court and Yes, anybody can represent you at the trial, the ticket is given to your car, not to you. But I think I am just going to pay it. The camera only triggers if you are going through the intersection faster then 25km/hr, the prosecution will just simply argue that I did not make a full stop before turning right. (that is what I was told) I'd rather pay $180 then waste half of my day on going to court.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:11 pm 
Offline
Jr. Member

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:52 am
Posts: 64
leshka wrote:
The camera only triggers if you are going through the intersection faster then 25km/hr

...now I know how to beat the system, no more red lights for me :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:39 pm 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:32 am
Posts: 14
but in this case, the driver made a right turn... are you saying that you will still lose if you use this argument?

admin wrote:
Red light camera tickets should not be fought the traditional way. You will lose in trial. Why? Well there is a Picture of YOU going through the red light! :P

It might be better to just try to get a plea bargain and get your fine reduced.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:51 pm 
Offline
Jr. Member

Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:46 pm
Posts: 66
you must come to a complete stop even making a right on a red. the HTA doesnt state a time frame for how long you must stop. it could be for a millionth of a nanosecond or three seconds, 5 seconds, 5 years whatever.
fight it. why give the province or city any more money. its worth a shot.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:58 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:49 pm
Posts: 1490
Location: somewhere in traffic
Off_Camber wrote:
you must come to a complete stop even making a right on a red. the HTA doesnt state a time frame for how long you must stop. it could be for a millionth of a nanosecond or three seconds, 5 seconds, 5 years whatever.
fight it. why give the province or city any more money. its worth a shot.


Do split atoms for living cuz that is some accurate right there......

_________________
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com


Top
 Profile  
 
Red light camera-Bronson and Carling Ottawa
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:49 pm 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:27 pm
Posts: 1
I received a similar ticket at that intersection of Bronson Avenue and Carling Avenue. I will be fighting this ticket and it appears that they have made my argument for me. The ticket states I approached the intersection after the light had been red for 4.6 seconds, and proceeded through the intersection when the light had been red for 6.3 seconds. So, where was i for the difference of 1.7 seconds, i was stopped. The same as you, my car is not in the second picture either.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:33 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:04 pm
Posts: 1048
Location: Ontario, Canada
rbee wrote:
but in this case, the driver made a right turn... are you saying that you will still lose if you use this argument?

admin wrote:
Red light camera tickets should not be fought the traditional way. You will lose in trial. Why? Well there is a Picture of YOU going through the red light! :P

It might be better to just try to get a plea bargain and get your fine reduced.


Don't think it matters. The camera's and the technology used are well aware of right turns. So if you made a rolling stop then well you didn't stop and that is considered running a red light.

If you do take this to trial please keep us updated.

_________________
Visit us at: Ontario Ticket OR OHTA OR Ontario Traffic Act OR Highway Traffic Act


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 22 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Related topics
 Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Turning right and got a Red Light Camera Ticket

plgcool

1

2262

Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:00 pm

admin View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Red Light Camera ticket while turning right

RosieLee

4

982

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:16 pm

bend View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Red Light - Fail to Stop & Red Light Camera ticket

goldhead124

7

1840

Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:56 am

t3ch9 View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Attachment(s) Red light camera ticket - broken down truck on the light

blueboy

5

3901

Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:01 am

bend View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Red Light Camera Ticket

Red Light Camera

3

13513

Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:02 am

Simon Borys View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Red Light Camera Ticket

nn810

0

1352

Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:29 am

nn810 View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Red Light Camera Ticket

Clarkey

2

6768

Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:32 pm

Radar Identified View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Red light camera ticket

acura17el

3

3719

Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:36 pm

Simon Borys View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. red light camera ticket

katheryne

1

2684

Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:49 am

Stanton View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. red light ticket NO camera

[ Go to pageGo to page: 1, 2 ]

sidmuer

15

2808

Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:19 am

sidmuer View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. RED LIGHT CAMERA TICKET

jjsams

0

990

Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:26 pm

jjsams View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. red light camera offence ticket

[ Go to pageGo to page: 1 ... 4, 5, 6 ]

naomi

75

58449

Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:20 pm

litestuff View the latest post

 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Web Development & Search Engine Optimization
Home | Court Listings | Ontario Traffic Ticket

Copyright 2007 - 2017 © Microtekblue Inc. Web Development & Search Engine Optimization Service. We Support phpBB All Rights Reserved.