Hi my name is MeatballMaster and I'm a younge driver. I have a few questions regarding right turns. a) Is it legal to turn right into a two lane road when I have a red light and the oncoming traffic has the green advance arrow? b) Which lane do I turn into when there are three lanes and the rightmost lane is a bus lane? For example this intersection: https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.8614997, ... !1e1?hl=en . c) When turning right onto a two lane road I usually wait until both lanes are clear before turning in case someone changes lanes. Is that incorrect? I also understand that police and insurance sometimes have different methods for finding who's at fault. In any of these cases would their ruling be different? Thanks for the help.
Hi my name is MeatballMaster and I'm a younge driver. I have a few questions regarding right turns.
a) Is it legal to turn right into a two lane road when I have a red light and the oncoming traffic has the green advance arrow?
c) When turning right onto a two lane road I usually wait until both lanes are clear before turning in case someone changes lanes. Is that incorrect?
I also understand that police and insurance sometimes have different methods for finding who's at fault. In any of these cases would their ruling be different? Thanks for the help.
1) Yes, provided you come to a full stop first and yield to all other traffic, pedestrians, etc. (Remember to look to the right for pedestrians and cyclists on the sidewalk before moving.) 2) If the rightmost lane is reserved for buses (as it appears to be in your link), you would turn into the next-closest lane. 3) It's not required, but certainly I would recommend it as a general practice. Your last question is a bit speculative, so I will pass on a specific answer but yes, the insurance fault determination rules are separate from the OHTA.
1) Yes, provided you come to a full stop first and yield to all other traffic, pedestrians, etc. (Remember to look to the right for pedestrians and cyclists on the sidewalk before moving.)
2) If the rightmost lane is reserved for buses (as it appears to be in your link), you would turn into the next-closest lane.
3) It's not required, but certainly I would recommend it as a general practice.
Your last question is a bit speculative, so I will pass on a specific answer but yes, the insurance fault determination rules are separate from the OHTA.
From What I recall when I did my driving school approx 7 years ago, you were supposed to turn into the furthest right lane, and merge to the proper lane within 100m of turning. Second, the person making the left with the advanced green has the right of way, you are supposed to STOP and YIELD your right of way at a red light, and proceed when it SAFELY can be done. Sounds like you were making a right, guy had an advanced green, and you guys hit. Insurance finds fault based on the Fault Determination rules (see here https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900668).
From What I recall when I did my driving school approx 7 years ago, you were supposed to turn into the furthest right lane, and merge to the proper lane within 100m of turning. Second, the person making the left with the advanced green has the right of way, you are supposed to STOP and YIELD your right of way at a red light, and proceed when it SAFELY can be done.
Sounds like you were making a right, guy had an advanced green, and you guys hit. Insurance finds fault based on the Fault Determination rules (see here https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900668).
Pretty sure it is actually illegal to turn right on a red when the opposite direction has an advanced green. I could be wrong, but I think that came up on another thread here and there specifically is an HTA section for that.
Pretty sure it is actually illegal to turn right on a red when the opposite direction has an advanced green. I could be wrong, but I think that came up on another thread here and there specifically is an HTA section for that.
Thanks for the information. I was reading the OHTA and in section 141(6) it says when making a left turn you must exit the intersection in the left lane. Would they have right of way for both left and right lane or just the left? I'll give a bit more context for my questions. I was waiting at a red light to turn right. The traffic on the opposite side of the intersection had the green advance arrow. Three or four of the cars turning left turn directly into the right lane instead of the left which, according to section 141(6) of the OHTA, is incorrect. I wait because I don't want to hit one of them and the dude behind me starts to honk. I can't find any official information about this. This exact situation has happened a few times and I have no idea what I should do.
Thanks for the information. I was reading the OHTA and in section 141(6) it says when making a left turn you must exit the intersection in the left lane. Would they have right of way for both left and right lane or just the left? I'll give a bit more context for my questions. I was waiting at a red light to turn right. The traffic on the opposite side of the intersection had the green advance arrow. Three or four of the cars turning left turn directly into the right lane instead of the left which, according to section 141(6) of the OHTA, is incorrect. I wait because I don't want to hit one of them and the dude behind me starts to honk. I can't find any official information about this. This exact situation has happened a few times and I have no idea what I should do.
You have right of way only in far left lane when making a left turn. You have right of way only in far right lane when making a right turn. So if two vehicles approach intersection from opposite directions, both with green lights, then one can turn left and one can turn right at the same time (assuming there are two or more lanes to turn into) and they can turn in simultaneously side be side because they should both stay in their own lane.
You have right of way only in far left lane when making a left turn.
You have right of way only in far right lane when making a right turn.
So if two vehicles approach intersection from opposite directions, both with green lights, then one can turn left and one can turn right at the same time (assuming there are two or more lanes to turn into) and they can turn in simultaneously side be side because they should both stay in their own lane.
This has been dealt with on these forums and elsewhere on the Internet. It is not illegal to turn right in a red light if there's an advanced green on the same side or the opposite direction. As long as you comply with the condition of turning on that red light and there's no sign prohibiting it.
This has been dealt with on these forums and elsewhere on the Internet. It is not illegal to turn right in a red light if there's an advanced green on the same side or the opposite direction. As long as you comply with the condition of turning on that red light and there's no sign prohibiting it.
Do you have an official source for that information? Just wondering because for every person agreeing with you there is one who disagrees. Thanks.
Decatur wrote:
This has been dealt with on these forums and elsewhere on the Internet. It is not illegal to turn right in a red light if there's an advanced green on the same side or the opposite direction. As long as you comply with the condition of turning on that red light and there's no sign prohibiting it.
Do you have an official source for that information? Just wondering because for every person agreeing with you there is one who disagrees. Thanks.
It was hypothetical. I explained a little bit in one of my posts above. I wrote "I'll give a bit more context for my questions. I was waiting at a red light to turn right. The traffic on the opposite side of the intersection had the green advance arrow. Three or four of the cars turning left turn directly into the right lane instead of the left which, according to section 141(6) of the OHTA, is incorrect. I wait because I don't want to hit one of them and the dude behind me starts to honk." If I did get into a collision in that scenario I would assume they would be at fault for doing an improper left turn given the information above.
whaddyaknow wrote:
So it this a hypothetical discussion or was there a collision / ticket issue?
It was hypothetical. I explained a little bit in one of my posts above. I wrote "I'll give a bit more context for my questions. I was waiting at a red light to turn right. The traffic on the opposite side of the intersection had the green advance arrow. Three or four of the cars turning left turn directly into the right lane instead of the left which, according to section 141(6) of the OHTA, is incorrect. I wait because I don't want to hit one of them and the dude behind me starts to honk." If I did get into a collision in that scenario I would assume they would be at fault for doing an improper left turn given the information above.
Since you are a Former Ontario Police Officer I will take your answer as the most official. Can you explain in more detail so we can get a thorough and solid answer without needing to go back and forth between legal/illegal? Thanks.
argyll wrote:
No, if they have a green light and you have a red then the fault would be yours. The idiot behind you needs to lay off the horn.
Since you are a Former Ontario Police Officer I will take your answer as the most official. Can you explain in more detail so we can get a thorough and solid answer without needing to go back and forth between legal/illegal? Thanks.
If they have a green light then they can proceed. Basically the have the right to be on that stretch of roadway regardless of lane. If you have a red light then you have the requirement to make sure the road is clear before proceeding. Former copper or not, my answers bear no more weight than anyone else's and are just opinions with no legal weight.
If they have a green light then they can proceed. Basically the have the right to be on that stretch of roadway regardless of lane. If you have a red light then you have the requirement to make sure the road is clear before proceeding.
Former copper or not, my answers bear no more weight than anyone else's and are just opinions with no legal weight.
Former Ontario Police Officer. Advice will become less relevant as the time goes by !
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