Hi, I'm going to be going for my full G, and I'm a bit confused on where you are suppose to wait at an intersection to make a left turn. I took drivers ed, and my instructor always had me pull into the intersection when the light is green, then wait for the way to clear. My parents, who have had their licenses for almost 30 years tell me that you are suppose to wait behind the line and wait for the way to clear. My friend who just finished drivers ed told me his parents told him the same thing, but his driving instructor told him it is wrong to wait behind the white line as it holds up the flow of traffic. Personally I agree with him as I think at a busy intersection you will never be able to make your left turn if you wait behind the line. We both agree its better to pull into the intersection with caution and wait for the way to clear or for the light to change to amber/red then go as long as no one is going through the light and their is no pedestrians. I'm just wondering if you are suppose to wait behind the line or pull into the intersection. My friend told me that his instructor said it's illegal to wait behind the line, but I see some people do it, and I see others pull into the intersection and wait. I want to know the proper way for Ontario so that I don't fail my test if your suppose to wait behind the line. Thanks :)
Hi, I'm going to be going for my full G, and I'm a bit confused on where you are suppose to wait at an intersection to make a left turn. I took drivers ed, and my instructor always had me pull into the intersection when the light is green, then wait for the way to clear. My parents, who have had their licenses for almost 30 years tell me that you are suppose to wait behind the line and wait for the way to clear. My friend who just finished drivers ed told me his parents told him the same thing, but his driving instructor told him it is wrong to wait behind the white line as it holds up the flow of traffic. Personally I agree with him as I think at a busy intersection you will never be able to make your left turn if you wait behind the line. We both agree its better to pull into the intersection with caution and wait for the way to clear or for the light to change to amber/red then go as long as no one is going through the light and their is no pedestrians.
I'm just wondering if you are suppose to wait behind the line or pull into the intersection. My friend told me that his instructor said it's illegal to wait behind the line, but I see some people do it, and I see others pull into the intersection and wait. I want to know the proper way for Ontario so that I don't fail my test if your suppose to wait behind the line.
Your driving instructor is correct. Section 144 (12) of the HTA allows you to enter on a green (well, no kidding). Once you've pulled in to the intersection, as you know, you just wait for traffic to clear and then turn when safely able. Now, here's where some confusion comes up. Section 145 allows by-laws to be passed prohibiting blocking an intersection: BUT... it's all written implying that they expect you to enter the intersection on green if you want to turn right or left, and wait for the way to clear. This helps people move through busy intersections, like you suggested. Section (2) is specifically written to exempt drivers who are turning, so that they can be in the intersection after the light turns red - if they entered on a green. (Within reason, of course.) Your friend's instructor is also right, it is illegal to stay behind the line. It's an offence called "failing to proceed as directed." The only exception would be if there was some safety reason to stay clear of the intersection (e.g. approaching emergency vehicle, red light runner, etc). Laws aside, I agree with your personal thoughts, using a common-sense approach. In Toronto, if you insist on staying behind the line, you might be stranded there for several hours "waiting for the way to clear." But, if you want the "real answer": My sister failed her first driving test because she stayed behind the line waiting to turn left. The examiner docked her marks for "impeding traffic" and the offence of "failing to proceed as directed." Personally, I find it frustrating when people wait behind the line, but many Torontonians have a unique (read: insanely unsafe) way of dealing with this. It's called the "outside swoop": Pass the driver on the right and turn left in front of them. :shock:
Your driving instructor is correct.
Section 144 (12) of the HTA allows you to enter on a green (well, no kidding). Once you've pulled in to the intersection, as you know, you just wait for traffic to clear and then turn when safely able. Now, here's where some confusion comes up. Section 145 allows by-laws to be passed prohibiting blocking an intersection:
Blocking intersection - 145.
(1) The council of a municipality may by by-law prohibit a driver or street car operator approaching, at an intersection, a traffic control signal showing a circular green or green arrow indication from entering the intersection unless traffic in front of him or her is moving in a manner that would reasonably lead him or her to believe he or she can clear the intersection before the signal indication changes to a circular red indication. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 145 (1).
Idem
(2) A by-law passed under subsection (1) does not apply to a driver or street car operator who enters an intersection for the purpose of turning to the right or left into an intersecting highway and signals his or her intention to make the turn prior to entering the intersection.
BUT... it's all written implying that they expect you to enter the intersection on green if you want to turn right or left, and wait for the way to clear. This helps people move through busy intersections, like you suggested. Section (2) is specifically written to exempt drivers who are turning, so that they can be in the intersection after the light turns red - if they entered on a green. (Within reason, of course.) Your friend's instructor is also right, it is illegal to stay behind the line. It's an offence called "failing to proceed as directed." The only exception would be if there was some safety reason to stay clear of the intersection (e.g. approaching emergency vehicle, red light runner, etc).
Omega_Gin wrote:
My parents, who have had their licenses for almost 30 years tell me that you are suppose to wait behind the line and wait for the way to clear. My friend who just finished drivers ed told me his parents told him the same thing
Laws aside, I agree with your personal thoughts, using a common-sense approach. In Toronto, if you insist on staying behind the line, you might be stranded there for several hours "waiting for the way to clear." But, if you want the "real answer": My sister failed her first driving test because she stayed behind the line waiting to turn left. The examiner docked her marks for "impeding traffic" and the offence of "failing to proceed as directed."
Personally, I find it frustrating when people wait behind the line, but many Torontonians have a unique (read: insanely unsafe) way of dealing with this. It's called the "outside swoop": Pass the driver on the right and turn left in front of them.
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Agree with RI. Absolutely you can move forward past the stop line when the light is green, to wait for the opportunity to turn when safe to do so. Then it goes into common sense (not law) that only one vehicle be forward waiting to turn. Once the vehicle successfully turns the next vehicle moves past the line and waits etc... This prevents intersection blockages when the light turns red. Courtesy of our resident moderator RI :wink: we will bring you "How to block an Intersection" [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rWd0fRbfmM[/youtube] Courtesy of our resident moderator RI :wink: we will bring you "How not to turn" [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkz1ScP7nM[/youtube]
Agree with RI.
Absolutely you can move forward past the stop line when the light is green, to wait for the opportunity to turn when safe to do so.
Then it goes into common sense (not law) that only one vehicle be forward waiting to turn. Once the vehicle successfully turns the next vehicle moves past the line and waits etc... This prevents intersection blockages when the light turns red.
Courtesy of our resident moderator RI we will bring you "How to block an Intersection"
BUT... it's all written implying that they expect you to enter the intersection on green if you want to turn right or left, and wait for the way to clear. This helps people move through busy intersections, like you suggested. Section (2) is specifically written to exempt drivers who are turning, so that they can be in the intersection after the light turns red - if they entered on a green. (Within reason, of course.) Your friend's instructor is also right, it is illegal to stay behind the line. It's an offence called "failing to proceed as directed." The only exception would be if there was some safety reason to stay clear of the intersection (e.g. approaching emergency vehicle, red light runner, etc). Laws aside, I agree with your personal thoughts, using a common-sense approach. In Toronto, if you insist on staying behind the line, you might be stranded there for several hours "waiting for the way to clear." But, if you want the "real answer": My sister failed her first driving test because she stayed behind the line waiting to turn left. The examiner docked her marks for "impeding traffic" and the offence of "failing to proceed as directed." Personally, I find it frustrating when people wait behind the line, but many Torontonians have a unique (read: insanely unsafe) way of dealing with this. It's called the "outside swoop": Pass the driver on the right and turn left in front of them. :shock: Thanks for the help :P I figured that you would fail for waiting behind the line, I had this one time where the person in front of me did that and I had to wait through 5 green lights.
Radar Identified wrote:
Your driving instructor is correct.
Section 144 (12) of the HTA allows you to enter on a green (well, no kidding). Once you've pulled in to the intersection, as you know, you just wait for traffic to clear and then turn when safely able. Now, here's where some confusion comes up. Section 145 allows by-laws to be passed prohibiting blocking an intersection:
Blocking intersection - 145.
(1) The council of a municipality may by by-law prohibit a driver or street car operator approaching, at an intersection, a traffic control signal showing a circular green or green arrow indication from entering the intersection unless traffic in front of him or her is moving in a manner that would reasonably lead him or her to believe he or she can clear the intersection before the signal indication changes to a circular red indication. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 145 (1).
Idem
(2) A by-law passed under subsection (1) does not apply to a driver or street car operator who enters an intersection for the purpose of turning to the right or left into an intersecting highway and signals his or her intention to make the turn prior to entering the intersection.
BUT... it's all written implying that they expect you to enter the intersection on green if you want to turn right or left, and wait for the way to clear. This helps people move through busy intersections, like you suggested. Section (2) is specifically written to exempt drivers who are turning, so that they can be in the intersection after the light turns red - if they entered on a green. (Within reason, of course.) Your friend's instructor is also right, it is illegal to stay behind the line. It's an offence called "failing to proceed as directed." The only exception would be if there was some safety reason to stay clear of the intersection (e.g. approaching emergency vehicle, red light runner, etc).
Omega_Gin wrote:
My parents, who have had their licenses for almost 30 years tell me that you are suppose to wait behind the line and wait for the way to clear. My friend who just finished drivers ed told me his parents told him the same thing
Laws aside, I agree with your personal thoughts, using a common-sense approach. In Toronto, if you insist on staying behind the line, you might be stranded there for several hours "waiting for the way to clear." But, if you want the "real answer": My sister failed her first driving test because she stayed behind the line waiting to turn left. The examiner docked her marks for "impeding traffic" and the offence of "failing to proceed as directed."
Personally, I find it frustrating when people wait behind the line, but many Torontonians have a unique (read: insanely unsafe) way of dealing with this. It's called the "outside swoop": Pass the driver on the right and turn left in front of them.
Thanks for the help I figured that you would fail for waiting behind the line, I had this one time where the person in front of me did that and I had to wait through 5 green lights.
Toronto traffic = free entertainment. Yesterday the DVP was like the Autofragginbahn. 5 green lights? :shock: If I was stuck behind him, I'd likely wear the horn out.
hwybear wrote:
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hwybear wrote:
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Toronto traffic = free entertainment. Yesterday the DVP was like the Autofragginbahn.
Omega_Gin wrote:
I had this one time where the person in front of me did that and I had to wait through 5 green lights.
5 green lights? If I was stuck behind him, I'd likely wear the horn out.
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I always assumed it was law that only car could be in the intersection at a time? Regardless, if it is a big enough intersection, and I can fully pull over the white line into the intersection I will (and will of course extend other drivers the courtesy of moving forward if I am lead car as well, so more people can make the turn). Heh, if I had to guess, that looks like Sloane Ave., and judging by the traffic that was last year when they were doing construction on Vic Park between Ellesmere and Lawrence. With regards to the OP, I'd like add that when making said left turns, do so in a timely fashion.I don't mean go ripping around the corner tires squealing, but I've seen people sit in the intersection until the light is red, then very slowly make the turn. Meanwhile, you're in the way of the the other two lanes (especially if they have advance green), not to mention the car (or two) behind you trying to make it through the light as well. My two cents.
hwybear wrote:
Agree with RI.
Absolutely you can move forward past the stop line when the light is green, to wait for the opportunity to turn when safe to do so.
Then it goes into common sense (not law) that only one vehicle be forward waiting to turn. Once the vehicle successfully turns the next vehicle moves past the line and waits etc... This prevents intersection blockages when the light turns red.
I always assumed it was law that only car could be in the intersection at a time? Regardless, if it is a big enough intersection, and I can fully pull over the white line into the intersection I will (and will of course extend other drivers the courtesy of moving forward if I am lead car as well, so more people can make the turn).
Courtesy of our resident moderator RI we will bring you "How not to turn"
Heh, if I had to guess, that looks like Sloane Ave., and judging by the traffic that was last year when they were doing construction on Vic Park between Ellesmere and Lawrence.
With regards to the OP, I'd like add that when making said left turns, do so in a timely fashion.I don't mean go ripping around the corner tires squealing, but I've seen people sit in the intersection until the light is red, then very slowly make the turn. Meanwhile, you're in the way of the the other two lanes (especially if they have advance green), not to mention the car (or two) behind you trying to make it through the light as well.
Sloane it is. :) However, that was not during the Ellesmere/Lawrence construction. It was just normal rush hour volume. When they were doing the construction... OH... MY... GOD. :shock: I'd try to deke down Sloane ASAP and cut through to Lawrence because it could take, literally, 20+ minutes to go from Sloane to Lawrence, a distance of about 400 metres.
manwithaplan wrote:
Heh, if I had to guess, that looks like Sloane Ave., and judging by the traffic that was last year when they were doing construction on Vic Park between Ellesmere and Lawrence.
Sloane it is.
However, that was not during the Ellesmere/Lawrence construction. It was just normal rush hour volume. When they were doing the construction... OH... MY... GOD. I'd try to deke down Sloane ASAP and cut through to Lawrence because it could take, literally, 20+ minutes to go from Sloane to Lawrence, a distance of about 400 metres.
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You also have to watch for accident "staggers". Some of these idiots will turn then stop dead just as they pass the markings. I almost hit 2 off them last week. Cheers Viper1
You also have to watch for accident "staggers".
Some of these idiots will turn then stop dead just as they pass the markings.
I almost hit 2 off them last week.
Cheers
Viper1
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What do you mean exactly? When people make the turn then stop to make another quick left/right after the lights? No kidding... I travel to and from work on Vic Park everyday, I guess I never really pay enough attention to the northbound traffic when I'm heading home, heh. The worst part of the construction was that they were changing which lanes were closed every other day. And then for a few days there they had only one traffic light for NB Vic Park @ Lawrence, and the wind (or somebody) blew it off to the side, so you couldn't even see what color the lights were (or if the advance green was up). People were driving all over the place, it was ridiculous. (Sorry for the rant, but that bout of construction still boils my blood... starting with the fact that they didn't post any warning of it happening before hand on VP that I saw. I did however see signs on pharmacy saying they were starting const. on VP :roll: ) /rant
viper1 wrote:
You also have to watch for accident "staggers".
Some of these idiots will turn then stop dead just as they pass the markings.
I almost hit 2 off them last week.
Cheers
Viper1
What do you mean exactly? When people make the turn then stop to make another quick left/right after the lights?
Radar Identified wrote:
Sloane it is.
However, that was not during the Ellesmere/Lawrence construction. It was just normal rush hour volume. When they were doing the construction... OH... MY... GOD. I'd try to deke down Sloane ASAP and cut through to Lawrence because it could take, literally, 20+ minutes to go from Sloane to Lawrence, a distance of about 400 metres.
No kidding... I travel to and from work on Vic Park everyday, I guess I never really pay enough attention to the northbound traffic when I'm heading home, heh. The worst part of the construction was that they were changing which lanes were closed every other day. And then for a few days there they had only one traffic light for NB Vic Park @ Lawrence, and the wind (or somebody) blew it off to the side, so you couldn't even see what color the lights were (or if the advance green was up). People were driving all over the place, it was ridiculous. (Sorry for the rant, but that bout of construction still boils my blood... starting with the fact that they didn't post any warning of it happening before hand on VP that I saw. I did however see signs on pharmacy saying they were starting const. on VP ) /rant
They bottlenecked Vic Park by shutting off the left lane at Lawrence right where the left turning lane for westbound Lawrence started. So people who were trying to turn left got crunched into the right-most lane. The stupid thing was, all of the construction was north of Lawrence, so they could've just kept the left turning lane open and cut off the left through lane... but no. What made it even worse was that it's Scarborough. People have no idea how to react to normal traffic situations, so something unusual just made it a total meltdown. The worst part (and there were quite a few candidates for this) was people driving into the left turning lane (when it was open) and trying to use it as a through lane or right turning lane, in spite of three BIG signs telling everyone to MERGE RIGHT. They even had simple diagrams, arrows, etc... but leave it up to Scarborough drivers to completely botch a very simple concept. Then again... Scarborough drivers are completely incapable of making a turn without crossing over at least one lane of traffic, so trying to use the left turn lane as a right-turning lane fits right in. :roll:
manwithaplan wrote:
The worst part of the construction was that they were changing which lanes were closed every other day. And then for a few days there they had only one traffic light for NB Vic Park @ Lawrence, and the wind (or somebody) blew it off to the side, so you couldn't even see what color the lights were (or if the advance green was up). People were driving all over the place, it was ridiculous. (Sorry for the rant, but that bout of construction still boils my blood... starting with the fact that they didn't post any warning of it happening before hand on VP that I saw. I did however see signs on pharmacy saying they were starting const
They bottlenecked Vic Park by shutting off the left lane at Lawrence right where the left turning lane for westbound Lawrence started. So people who were trying to turn left got crunched into the right-most lane. The stupid thing was, all of the construction was north of Lawrence, so they could've just kept the left turning lane open and cut off the left through lane... but no.
What made it even worse was that it's Scarborough. People have no idea how to react to normal traffic situations, so something unusual just made it a total meltdown. The worst part (and there were quite a few candidates for this) was people driving into the left turning lane (when it was open) and trying to use it as a through lane or right turning lane, in spite of three BIG signs telling everyone to MERGE RIGHT. They even had simple diagrams, arrows, etc... but leave it up to Scarborough drivers to completely botch a very simple concept.
Then again... Scarborough drivers are completely incapable of making a turn without crossing over at least one lane of traffic, so trying to use the left turn lane as a right-turning lane fits right in.
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What was even worse was when they had BOTH the left turn lane and left through lane blocked, so left turners had to squeeze back over, and if there was more than three or four cars trying to turn it held up traffic. I almost got out of my car and pounded a guy because of that - one morning on the way to work I was sitting there waiting for the light to change, and there was maybe 3-4 cars (including me) behind the merge sign/pylons (i.e. an extremely low amount of traffic). So some guy in a SUV comes tearing up, and decides to try and cut in front of me (instead of pulling in behind the 3 cars behind me). I proceeded to move forward when the light changed, but the guy literally forced me up unto the sidewalk so he could squeeze through (and then proceed to pull back over to the left turn lane and wait there). :x Not being able to wait the extra 10 seconds almost killed him :evil: Scarborough isn't so bad. I drive a lot in Markham/Richmond hill for work, and it's worse. Kind of like Scarborough, but in slow motion. :D Ah, gotcha. You confused me by staying 'stagger', which means something different :wink: No doubt, there's plenty of people out there pulling insurance scams, they set you up for a rear-ender, then all of the sudden they have a back and neck problems, and sue you!
Radar Identified wrote:
They bottlenecked Vic Park by shutting off the left lane at Lawrence right where the left turning lane for westbound Lawrence started. So people who were trying to turn left got crunched into the right-most lane. The stupid thing was, all of the construction was north of Lawrence, so they could've just kept the left turning lane open and cut off the left through lane... but no.
What was even worse was when they had BOTH the left turn lane and left through lane blocked, so left turners had to squeeze back over, and if there was more than three or four cars trying to turn it held up traffic. I almost got out of my car and pounded a guy because of that - one morning on the way to work I was sitting there waiting for the light to change, and there was maybe 3-4 cars (including me) behind the merge sign/pylons (i.e. an extremely low amount of traffic).
So some guy in a SUV comes tearing up, and decides to try and cut in front of me (instead of pulling in behind the 3 cars behind me). I proceeded to move forward when the light changed, but the guy literally forced me up unto the sidewalk so he could squeeze through (and then proceed to pull back over to the left turn lane and wait there). Not being able to wait the extra 10 seconds almost killed him
What made it even worse was that it's Scarborough. People have no idea how to react to normal traffic situations, so something unusual just made it a total meltdown. The worst part (and there were quite a few candidates for this) was people driving into the left turning lane (when it was open) and trying to use it as a through lane or right turning lane, in spite of three BIG signs telling everyone to MERGE RIGHT. They even had simple diagrams, arrows, etc... but leave it up to Scarborough drivers to completely botch a very simple concept.
Then again... Scarborough drivers are completely incapable of making a turn without crossing over at least one lane of traffic, so trying to use the left turn lane as a right-turning lane fits right in.
Scarborough isn't so bad. I drive a lot in Markham/Richmond hill for work, and it's worse. Kind of like Scarborough, but in slow motion.
viper1 wrote:
They turn as usual into their lane but stop just after the turn in the hope you will rear end them.
Cheers
Nadnic
Ah, gotcha. You confused me by staying 'stagger', which means something different
No doubt, there's plenty of people out there pulling insurance scams, they set you up for a rear-ender, then all of the sudden they have a back and neck problems, and sue you!
It was the spell correct that spelled it that way!!! I originally spelled it the other way. Victoria park near there has more holes in it then eglinton near laird. Cheers Viper1
It was the spell correct that spelled it that way!!! I originally spelled it the other way.
Victoria park near there has more holes in it then eglinton near laird.
Cheers
Viper1
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BUMPER TAG!! :lol: Okay not really... Although if it does give you any consolation, I did see someone try that when the vehicle in the right lane was a dark Ford Crown Victoria with tinted windows. (GEE... I wonder who that is?) The moron got pulled over just after turning on to Lawrence. Otherwise, I tried to avoid that construction area at all costs. I'd say they're about the same, except in Thornhill they drive like bats out of hell. As for slow... weekends on Lawrence or Eglinton between VP and Markham Road... aaaarrrggghhhh!!!! People distribute themselves between all lanes and drive at 45 km/h or less, ensuring no one can pass. The traffic jams are completely artificial because if people actually drove faster the road would clear up. Part of that's also due to the fact that they're lost, driving on the same roads they've been driving on for years... I think in Scarborough they get in their cars without knowing where they're going or why.
manwithaplan wrote:
So some guy in a SUV comes tearing up, and decides to try and cut in front of me (instead of pulling in behind the 3 cars behind me).
BUMPER TAG!!
Okay not really...
Although if it does give you any consolation, I did see someone try that when the vehicle in the right lane was a dark Ford Crown Victoria with tinted windows. (GEE... I wonder who that is?) The moron got pulled over just after turning on to Lawrence. Otherwise, I tried to avoid that construction area at all costs.
manwithaplan wrote:
Scarborough isn't so bad. I drive a lot in Markham/Richmond hill for work, and it's worse. Kind of like Scarborough, but in slow motion.
I'd say they're about the same, except in Thornhill they drive like bats out of hell. As for slow... weekends on Lawrence or Eglinton between VP and Markham Road... aaaarrrggghhhh!!!! People distribute themselves between all lanes and drive at 45 km/h or less, ensuring no one can pass. The traffic jams are completely artificial because if people actually drove faster the road would clear up. Part of that's also due to the fact that they're lost, driving on the same roads they've been driving on for years... I think in Scarborough they get in their cars without knowing where they're going or why.
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BUMPER TAG!! :lol: Okay not really... Although if it does give you any consolation, I did see someone try that when the vehicle in the right lane was a dark Ford Crown Victoria with tinted windows. (GEE... I wonder who that is?) The moron got pulled over just after turning on to Lawrence. Otherwise, I tried to avoid that construction area at all costs. That does make me feel better! :) I must say, I always do a double take when I see a Crown Vic, just to make sure. And if I'm in the GTA surrounding Toronto, gotta watch for those Impalas, Chargers (Peel) and Tahoes (especially those shifty lookin' beige ones with several antennae, hehe). I've noticed that too, that big hill on Yonge between Steeles and the 407 cars love flying down there, and it's only a 50.... to me that screams 'radar trap'. I always think when that Range goes flying by "enjoy your ticket, buddy". And to be honest, I try to avoid driving on main roads in scarborough. I use Comstock/Ashtonbee a lot (though you need a hummer to navigate the bumps on Astonbee), and if I have to go further east I take St Clair up to Kingston and swing around that way :wink:
Radar Identified wrote:
manwithaplan wrote:
So some guy in a SUV comes tearing up, and decides to try and cut in front of me (instead of pulling in behind the 3 cars behind me).
BUMPER TAG!!
Okay not really...
Although if it does give you any consolation, I did see someone try that when the vehicle in the right lane was a dark Ford Crown Victoria with tinted windows. (GEE... I wonder who that is?) The moron got pulled over just after turning on to Lawrence. Otherwise, I tried to avoid that construction area at all costs.
That does make me feel better! I must say, I always do a double take when I see a Crown Vic, just to make sure. And if I'm in the GTA surrounding Toronto, gotta watch for those Impalas, Chargers (Peel) and Tahoes (especially those shifty lookin' beige ones with several antennae, hehe).
Radar Identified wrote:
I'd say they're about the same, except in Thornhill they drive like bats out of hell. As for slow... weekends on Lawrence or Eglinton between VP and Markham Road... aaaarrrggghhhh!!!! People distribute themselves between all lanes and drive at 45 km/h or less, ensuring no one can pass. The traffic jams are completely artificial because if people actually drove faster the road would clear up. Part of that's also due to the fact that they're lost, driving on the same roads they've been driving on for years... I think in Scarborough they get in their cars without knowing where they're going or why.
I've noticed that too, that big hill on Yonge between Steeles and the 407 cars love flying down there, and it's only a 50.... to me that screams 'radar trap'. I always think when that Range goes flying by "enjoy your ticket, buddy".
And to be honest, I try to avoid driving on main roads in scarborough. I use Comstock/Ashtonbee a lot (though you need a hummer to navigate the bumps on Astonbee), and if I have to go further east I take St Clair up to Kingston and swing around that way
I also use Ashtonbee to bypass Eglinton, although the craters, cracks, etc., are ridiculous. I think my car will need some suspension work if they don't re-pave that road soon. But, it's worth it instead of dealing with Eglinton along the Golden Mile. Better safe than sorry... What's remarkable are the people who DON'T do double takes when the Crown Vic is white with decals, a light deck and the word POLICE written in big block letters on it. HELLO!!
I also use Ashtonbee to bypass Eglinton, although the craters, cracks, etc., are ridiculous. I think my car will need some suspension work if they don't re-pave that road soon. But, it's worth it instead of dealing with Eglinton along the Golden Mile.
manwithaplan wrote:
I must say, I always do a double take when I see a Crown Vic, just to make sure.
Better safe than sorry... What's remarkable are the people who DON'T do double takes when the Crown Vic is white with decals, a light deck and the word POLICE written in big block letters on it. HELLO!!
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I got ticket for failing to stop at stop sign in Toronto. i heard that the police officer must see the stop line, if there is one, from where he was sitting. That is exactly my case, Is it a strong case? If so do i need a picture to show that there is a stop line and a picture to show that he could not see the stop line from where he was sitting?
I got a ticket, Disobey stop sign, sec 136.1.a on dec 6th
I made a left in an intersection and was pulled over by a police officer in an unmarked car who had been sitting down the road. A classic fishing hole situation. I was genuinely surprised when he stopped me and told me I went through a stop sign without even slowing down. I know to shut up and be polite and take the ticket. I…
Yesterday morning, I rear-ended someone. I was going the speed limit. The sun was directly in front of me and it blinded my windshield and my eyes. At the same time, the person in front of me stopped/slowed down (also due to the sun). I started to slow down but didn't stop and I hit them since I couldn't see anything. I was not driving too close initially. I…
I was driving in the county at night and hit a limousine stretched out side ways across the road. The limo had its lights on and had side lighting as well. The police officer charged me with careless driving because it was "fully lit up".
It took me to the next day to figure out what had happened - what I remember made no sense. What I had run across was a "false visual reference" illusion.
I was on hwy 37 trying to make my girlfriends ganadmas mass and I live an hour away and I had an hour to get there so I was going fast but not 50 over untill some idiot got on my tail soo close that I was to concentrated on him that I kept going faster untill I got pulled over at 147 on an 80 km hwy.
I alreaddy lost 3 points and this time was just the…
Hello, got stopped today for rolling a stop sign. Ticket says failure to stop, but quotes hta 1361b.
Doesn't 1361b mean failure to yield?
Is this a fatal error? Or could it be amended at trial. How can I prepare a defence if I don't know if I'm defending the failure to stop or the failure to yield?
After he was providing me with a ticket for failure to obey to the stop sign (I am pretty sure I stopped but less than 3 seconds recommended by my driver ed. instructor), I know everybody say that..as an excuse.
Then he stopped me again to return the documents.
Any advice and feed back would be really appreciated.
Can you get evidence for whether someone had an advanced green at an intersection? My dad was making a right turn on a red (after stopping) into a plaza parking lot. He got hit by someone making a left turn from the opposite lane. The driver told the officer called to the collision that he had an advance green. My dad said he came out of nowhere which makes me…
So i was driving on Eglinton Avenue East near Rosemount Ave.
The school bus was on the the curb on the opposite side of the road while i was travelling on the middle lane of the three-laned Eglinton Avenue East (five lanes apart plus a raised median island seperating the traffic)
I could not see the school bus as my view of the bus was being obstructed by the cars in front of me and on my left hand…
Lots of good information on getting disclosure from the Crown here.
Now, I am just wondering if I will be relying upon evidence of my own at trial... do I have to voluntarily send this material to the Crown in a reasonable time before the trial, or only if they request disclosure from me?
This morning I had an exam for university. I was studying the entire night and i wanted to catch like maybe 1-2 hours of sleep before the exam so i went to sleep. I woke up like 5 hrs after and realize that I was about to miss my exam. I still could have made it so I asked my dad for his car since I was in a huge rush and he gave it to me.
I went on the highway and I was going at 135 km/h but…
the police officer was in in the opesite oncumming lane he was fallowing another car so close that i was not even able to see his cruser till he was buy he said that i was going 111 in a 80 he said he hade me on radar he only asked for me drivers licencs and never asked for my insurence so on the ticket there no insurence dose enyone think i can beat this i wana take it to cort becuse he was…
Hi I have a couple questions so I'll explain my situation and any advice would be appreciated.
Can't remember exact date so lets call it some time in 2008 I got a fine for $5000.00 for driving without in insurance. I never paid the fine and in 2012 I was pulled over and the officer asked to see my license. Although I had it on me I figured it would be under suspension for the unpaid fine from…
Alright, so I did something really stupid the other day, I was driving down a country road and wanted to hit the curves so I passed 3 cars at once, inadvertently making it up to very much past 50 over (80 limit)... Much to my chagrin there was a cop coming in the opposite direction who immediately skidded on the gravel shoulder and who I thought was 100% going to turn around and pull me over,…
Anyone know how backed this courthouse is? I submitted my ticket for trial at the end of August, and still no letter. Im scared it got lost in the mail, can i call the courthouse and find out my courtdate? Or would i have to go in personally?
I recently received a ticket for failure to use low beams - while following - Ticket was issued Sec 168 (
- it was on the 401 and no one was within 500 meters of me, I was warning a oncoming vehicle that there was an officer hiding (which is not illegal or I could not find a law against it) it was a police vehicle travelling at very high rate of speed in the opposite direction with no lights on…
I received a warning letter from MTO for a 2pts ticket.What happened is that the police officer issued a "unsafe left turn" and then changed the ticket to "failed to signal" at the scene, but she submitted both tickets!!! And I !!!ONLY!!! received the latter ticket from her(I requested trial for "failed to signal"). I recently received notice from MTO that I'm convicted for "unsafe left turn".
Hello everyone! I was given a ticket for using a hand-held communication device while driving. It was 3 am, I was at a stop light and the cop saw me with the my phone in my hand. I told him i was just checking the time on it. I received the notes a few weeks ago ill copy them down below. Any help is appreciated although i believe there's no hope for me. The cop recorded me saying what phone i…
I got pulled over about 15 or so days ago the court till this date has not received the summons what is the legal time period that the court has to follow to accept the summons from the office court says its 15 days is the legal timeframe the officer has to serve it on the court
I requested for disclosure of information two months ago.
I received the radar manual after one month, but not others (including maintenance/calibration record of the radar, certificate of police training). On further pursuit, the prosecutor told me that he did not have them and he did not see why I needed these documents. He said he did not know where to get them when I asked.
Last Friday I was pulled over by an OPP motorcycle cop who informed me I was going 134. I was on the SB 404, I did see him parked under a bridge and when I passed him he was not on his bike.
I'm hoping to get some insight for a defense in this case.
I was in lane 1 and I had a car in front of me, and a car behind me, also there was a car speeding down Lane 3 passing everyone and moved quickly into…
we will bring you "How to block an Intersection"
I figured that you would fail for waiting behind the line, I had this one time where the person in front of me did that and I had to wait through 5 green lights.
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Not being able to wait the extra 10 seconds almost killed him 
