Hi, I'm going to be going for my full G, and I'm a bit confused on where you are suppose to wait at an intersection to make a left turn. I took drivers ed, and my instructor always had me pull into the intersection when the light is green, then wait for the way to clear. My parents, who have had their licenses for almost 30 years tell me that you are suppose to wait behind the line and wait for the way to clear. My friend who just finished drivers ed told me his parents told him the same thing, but his driving instructor told him it is wrong to wait behind the white line as it holds up the flow of traffic. Personally I agree with him as I think at a busy intersection you will never be able to make your left turn if you wait behind the line. We both agree its better to pull into the intersection with caution and wait for the way to clear or for the light to change to amber/red then go as long as no one is going through the light and their is no pedestrians. I'm just wondering if you are suppose to wait behind the line or pull into the intersection. My friend told me that his instructor said it's illegal to wait behind the line, but I see some people do it, and I see others pull into the intersection and wait. I want to know the proper way for Ontario so that I don't fail my test if your suppose to wait behind the line. Thanks :)
Hi, I'm going to be going for my full G, and I'm a bit confused on where you are suppose to wait at an intersection to make a left turn. I took drivers ed, and my instructor always had me pull into the intersection when the light is green, then wait for the way to clear. My parents, who have had their licenses for almost 30 years tell me that you are suppose to wait behind the line and wait for the way to clear. My friend who just finished drivers ed told me his parents told him the same thing, but his driving instructor told him it is wrong to wait behind the white line as it holds up the flow of traffic. Personally I agree with him as I think at a busy intersection you will never be able to make your left turn if you wait behind the line. We both agree its better to pull into the intersection with caution and wait for the way to clear or for the light to change to amber/red then go as long as no one is going through the light and their is no pedestrians.
I'm just wondering if you are suppose to wait behind the line or pull into the intersection. My friend told me that his instructor said it's illegal to wait behind the line, but I see some people do it, and I see others pull into the intersection and wait. I want to know the proper way for Ontario so that I don't fail my test if your suppose to wait behind the line.
Your driving instructor is correct. Section 144 (12) of the HTA allows you to enter on a green (well, no kidding). Once you've pulled in to the intersection, as you know, you just wait for traffic to clear and then turn when safely able. Now, here's where some confusion comes up. Section 145 allows by-laws to be passed prohibiting blocking an intersection: BUT... it's all written implying that they expect you to enter the intersection on green if you want to turn right or left, and wait for the way to clear. This helps people move through busy intersections, like you suggested. Section (2) is specifically written to exempt drivers who are turning, so that they can be in the intersection after the light turns red - if they entered on a green. (Within reason, of course.) Your friend's instructor is also right, it is illegal to stay behind the line. It's an offence called "failing to proceed as directed." The only exception would be if there was some safety reason to stay clear of the intersection (e.g. approaching emergency vehicle, red light runner, etc). Laws aside, I agree with your personal thoughts, using a common-sense approach. In Toronto, if you insist on staying behind the line, you might be stranded there for several hours "waiting for the way to clear." But, if you want the "real answer": My sister failed her first driving test because she stayed behind the line waiting to turn left. The examiner docked her marks for "impeding traffic" and the offence of "failing to proceed as directed." Personally, I find it frustrating when people wait behind the line, but many Torontonians have a unique (read: insanely unsafe) way of dealing with this. It's called the "outside swoop": Pass the driver on the right and turn left in front of them. :shock:
Your driving instructor is correct.
Section 144 (12) of the HTA allows you to enter on a green (well, no kidding). Once you've pulled in to the intersection, as you know, you just wait for traffic to clear and then turn when safely able. Now, here's where some confusion comes up. Section 145 allows by-laws to be passed prohibiting blocking an intersection:
Blocking intersection - 145.
(1) The council of a municipality may by by-law prohibit a driver or street car operator approaching, at an intersection, a traffic control signal showing a circular green or green arrow indication from entering the intersection unless traffic in front of him or her is moving in a manner that would reasonably lead him or her to believe he or she can clear the intersection before the signal indication changes to a circular red indication. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 145 (1).
Idem
(2) A by-law passed under subsection (1) does not apply to a driver or street car operator who enters an intersection for the purpose of turning to the right or left into an intersecting highway and signals his or her intention to make the turn prior to entering the intersection.
BUT... it's all written implying that they expect you to enter the intersection on green if you want to turn right or left, and wait for the way to clear. This helps people move through busy intersections, like you suggested. Section (2) is specifically written to exempt drivers who are turning, so that they can be in the intersection after the light turns red - if they entered on a green. (Within reason, of course.) Your friend's instructor is also right, it is illegal to stay behind the line. It's an offence called "failing to proceed as directed." The only exception would be if there was some safety reason to stay clear of the intersection (e.g. approaching emergency vehicle, red light runner, etc).
Omega_Gin wrote:
My parents, who have had their licenses for almost 30 years tell me that you are suppose to wait behind the line and wait for the way to clear. My friend who just finished drivers ed told me his parents told him the same thing
Laws aside, I agree with your personal thoughts, using a common-sense approach. In Toronto, if you insist on staying behind the line, you might be stranded there for several hours "waiting for the way to clear." But, if you want the "real answer": My sister failed her first driving test because she stayed behind the line waiting to turn left. The examiner docked her marks for "impeding traffic" and the offence of "failing to proceed as directed."
Personally, I find it frustrating when people wait behind the line, but many Torontonians have a unique (read: insanely unsafe) way of dealing with this. It's called the "outside swoop": Pass the driver on the right and turn left in front of them.
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Agree with RI. Absolutely you can move forward past the stop line when the light is green, to wait for the opportunity to turn when safe to do so. Then it goes into common sense (not law) that only one vehicle be forward waiting to turn. Once the vehicle successfully turns the next vehicle moves past the line and waits etc... This prevents intersection blockages when the light turns red. Courtesy of our resident moderator RI :wink: we will bring you "How to block an Intersection" [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rWd0fRbfmM[/youtube] Courtesy of our resident moderator RI :wink: we will bring you "How not to turn" [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkz1ScP7nM[/youtube]
Agree with RI.
Absolutely you can move forward past the stop line when the light is green, to wait for the opportunity to turn when safe to do so.
Then it goes into common sense (not law) that only one vehicle be forward waiting to turn. Once the vehicle successfully turns the next vehicle moves past the line and waits etc... This prevents intersection blockages when the light turns red.
Courtesy of our resident moderator RI we will bring you "How to block an Intersection"
BUT... it's all written implying that they expect you to enter the intersection on green if you want to turn right or left, and wait for the way to clear. This helps people move through busy intersections, like you suggested. Section (2) is specifically written to exempt drivers who are turning, so that they can be in the intersection after the light turns red - if they entered on a green. (Within reason, of course.) Your friend's instructor is also right, it is illegal to stay behind the line. It's an offence called "failing to proceed as directed." The only exception would be if there was some safety reason to stay clear of the intersection (e.g. approaching emergency vehicle, red light runner, etc). Laws aside, I agree with your personal thoughts, using a common-sense approach. In Toronto, if you insist on staying behind the line, you might be stranded there for several hours "waiting for the way to clear." But, if you want the "real answer": My sister failed her first driving test because she stayed behind the line waiting to turn left. The examiner docked her marks for "impeding traffic" and the offence of "failing to proceed as directed." Personally, I find it frustrating when people wait behind the line, but many Torontonians have a unique (read: insanely unsafe) way of dealing with this. It's called the "outside swoop": Pass the driver on the right and turn left in front of them. :shock: Thanks for the help :P I figured that you would fail for waiting behind the line, I had this one time where the person in front of me did that and I had to wait through 5 green lights.
Radar Identified wrote:
Your driving instructor is correct.
Section 144 (12) of the HTA allows you to enter on a green (well, no kidding). Once you've pulled in to the intersection, as you know, you just wait for traffic to clear and then turn when safely able. Now, here's where some confusion comes up. Section 145 allows by-laws to be passed prohibiting blocking an intersection:
Blocking intersection - 145.
(1) The council of a municipality may by by-law prohibit a driver or street car operator approaching, at an intersection, a traffic control signal showing a circular green or green arrow indication from entering the intersection unless traffic in front of him or her is moving in a manner that would reasonably lead him or her to believe he or she can clear the intersection before the signal indication changes to a circular red indication. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 145 (1).
Idem
(2) A by-law passed under subsection (1) does not apply to a driver or street car operator who enters an intersection for the purpose of turning to the right or left into an intersecting highway and signals his or her intention to make the turn prior to entering the intersection.
BUT... it's all written implying that they expect you to enter the intersection on green if you want to turn right or left, and wait for the way to clear. This helps people move through busy intersections, like you suggested. Section (2) is specifically written to exempt drivers who are turning, so that they can be in the intersection after the light turns red - if they entered on a green. (Within reason, of course.) Your friend's instructor is also right, it is illegal to stay behind the line. It's an offence called "failing to proceed as directed." The only exception would be if there was some safety reason to stay clear of the intersection (e.g. approaching emergency vehicle, red light runner, etc).
Omega_Gin wrote:
My parents, who have had their licenses for almost 30 years tell me that you are suppose to wait behind the line and wait for the way to clear. My friend who just finished drivers ed told me his parents told him the same thing
Laws aside, I agree with your personal thoughts, using a common-sense approach. In Toronto, if you insist on staying behind the line, you might be stranded there for several hours "waiting for the way to clear." But, if you want the "real answer": My sister failed her first driving test because she stayed behind the line waiting to turn left. The examiner docked her marks for "impeding traffic" and the offence of "failing to proceed as directed."
Personally, I find it frustrating when people wait behind the line, but many Torontonians have a unique (read: insanely unsafe) way of dealing with this. It's called the "outside swoop": Pass the driver on the right and turn left in front of them.
Thanks for the help I figured that you would fail for waiting behind the line, I had this one time where the person in front of me did that and I had to wait through 5 green lights.
Toronto traffic = free entertainment. Yesterday the DVP was like the Autofragginbahn. 5 green lights? :shock: If I was stuck behind him, I'd likely wear the horn out.
hwybear wrote:
Courtesy of our resident moderator RI we will bring you "How to block an Intersection"
hwybear wrote:
Courtesy of our resident moderator RI we will bring you "How not to turn"
Toronto traffic = free entertainment. Yesterday the DVP was like the Autofragginbahn.
Omega_Gin wrote:
I had this one time where the person in front of me did that and I had to wait through 5 green lights.
5 green lights? If I was stuck behind him, I'd likely wear the horn out.
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I always assumed it was law that only car could be in the intersection at a time? Regardless, if it is a big enough intersection, and I can fully pull over the white line into the intersection I will (and will of course extend other drivers the courtesy of moving forward if I am lead car as well, so more people can make the turn). Heh, if I had to guess, that looks like Sloane Ave., and judging by the traffic that was last year when they were doing construction on Vic Park between Ellesmere and Lawrence. With regards to the OP, I'd like add that when making said left turns, do so in a timely fashion.I don't mean go ripping around the corner tires squealing, but I've seen people sit in the intersection until the light is red, then very slowly make the turn. Meanwhile, you're in the way of the the other two lanes (especially if they have advance green), not to mention the car (or two) behind you trying to make it through the light as well. My two cents.
hwybear wrote:
Agree with RI.
Absolutely you can move forward past the stop line when the light is green, to wait for the opportunity to turn when safe to do so.
Then it goes into common sense (not law) that only one vehicle be forward waiting to turn. Once the vehicle successfully turns the next vehicle moves past the line and waits etc... This prevents intersection blockages when the light turns red.
I always assumed it was law that only car could be in the intersection at a time? Regardless, if it is a big enough intersection, and I can fully pull over the white line into the intersection I will (and will of course extend other drivers the courtesy of moving forward if I am lead car as well, so more people can make the turn).
Courtesy of our resident moderator RI we will bring you "How not to turn"
Heh, if I had to guess, that looks like Sloane Ave., and judging by the traffic that was last year when they were doing construction on Vic Park between Ellesmere and Lawrence.
With regards to the OP, I'd like add that when making said left turns, do so in a timely fashion.I don't mean go ripping around the corner tires squealing, but I've seen people sit in the intersection until the light is red, then very slowly make the turn. Meanwhile, you're in the way of the the other two lanes (especially if they have advance green), not to mention the car (or two) behind you trying to make it through the light as well.
Sloane it is. :) However, that was not during the Ellesmere/Lawrence construction. It was just normal rush hour volume. When they were doing the construction... OH... MY... GOD. :shock: I'd try to deke down Sloane ASAP and cut through to Lawrence because it could take, literally, 20+ minutes to go from Sloane to Lawrence, a distance of about 400 metres.
manwithaplan wrote:
Heh, if I had to guess, that looks like Sloane Ave., and judging by the traffic that was last year when they were doing construction on Vic Park between Ellesmere and Lawrence.
Sloane it is.
However, that was not during the Ellesmere/Lawrence construction. It was just normal rush hour volume. When they were doing the construction... OH... MY... GOD. I'd try to deke down Sloane ASAP and cut through to Lawrence because it could take, literally, 20+ minutes to go from Sloane to Lawrence, a distance of about 400 metres.
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You also have to watch for accident "staggers". Some of these idiots will turn then stop dead just as they pass the markings. I almost hit 2 off them last week. Cheers Viper1
You also have to watch for accident "staggers".
Some of these idiots will turn then stop dead just as they pass the markings.
I almost hit 2 off them last week.
Cheers
Viper1
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What do you mean exactly? When people make the turn then stop to make another quick left/right after the lights? No kidding... I travel to and from work on Vic Park everyday, I guess I never really pay enough attention to the northbound traffic when I'm heading home, heh. The worst part of the construction was that they were changing which lanes were closed every other day. And then for a few days there they had only one traffic light for NB Vic Park @ Lawrence, and the wind (or somebody) blew it off to the side, so you couldn't even see what color the lights were (or if the advance green was up). People were driving all over the place, it was ridiculous. (Sorry for the rant, but that bout of construction still boils my blood... starting with the fact that they didn't post any warning of it happening before hand on VP that I saw. I did however see signs on pharmacy saying they were starting const. on VP :roll: ) /rant
viper1 wrote:
You also have to watch for accident "staggers".
Some of these idiots will turn then stop dead just as they pass the markings.
I almost hit 2 off them last week.
Cheers
Viper1
What do you mean exactly? When people make the turn then stop to make another quick left/right after the lights?
Radar Identified wrote:
Sloane it is.
However, that was not during the Ellesmere/Lawrence construction. It was just normal rush hour volume. When they were doing the construction... OH... MY... GOD. I'd try to deke down Sloane ASAP and cut through to Lawrence because it could take, literally, 20+ minutes to go from Sloane to Lawrence, a distance of about 400 metres.
No kidding... I travel to and from work on Vic Park everyday, I guess I never really pay enough attention to the northbound traffic when I'm heading home, heh. The worst part of the construction was that they were changing which lanes were closed every other day. And then for a few days there they had only one traffic light for NB Vic Park @ Lawrence, and the wind (or somebody) blew it off to the side, so you couldn't even see what color the lights were (or if the advance green was up). People were driving all over the place, it was ridiculous. (Sorry for the rant, but that bout of construction still boils my blood... starting with the fact that they didn't post any warning of it happening before hand on VP that I saw. I did however see signs on pharmacy saying they were starting const. on VP ) /rant
They bottlenecked Vic Park by shutting off the left lane at Lawrence right where the left turning lane for westbound Lawrence started. So people who were trying to turn left got crunched into the right-most lane. The stupid thing was, all of the construction was north of Lawrence, so they could've just kept the left turning lane open and cut off the left through lane... but no. What made it even worse was that it's Scarborough. People have no idea how to react to normal traffic situations, so something unusual just made it a total meltdown. The worst part (and there were quite a few candidates for this) was people driving into the left turning lane (when it was open) and trying to use it as a through lane or right turning lane, in spite of three BIG signs telling everyone to MERGE RIGHT. They even had simple diagrams, arrows, etc... but leave it up to Scarborough drivers to completely botch a very simple concept. Then again... Scarborough drivers are completely incapable of making a turn without crossing over at least one lane of traffic, so trying to use the left turn lane as a right-turning lane fits right in. :roll:
manwithaplan wrote:
The worst part of the construction was that they were changing which lanes were closed every other day. And then for a few days there they had only one traffic light for NB Vic Park @ Lawrence, and the wind (or somebody) blew it off to the side, so you couldn't even see what color the lights were (or if the advance green was up). People were driving all over the place, it was ridiculous. (Sorry for the rant, but that bout of construction still boils my blood... starting with the fact that they didn't post any warning of it happening before hand on VP that I saw. I did however see signs on pharmacy saying they were starting const
They bottlenecked Vic Park by shutting off the left lane at Lawrence right where the left turning lane for westbound Lawrence started. So people who were trying to turn left got crunched into the right-most lane. The stupid thing was, all of the construction was north of Lawrence, so they could've just kept the left turning lane open and cut off the left through lane... but no.
What made it even worse was that it's Scarborough. People have no idea how to react to normal traffic situations, so something unusual just made it a total meltdown. The worst part (and there were quite a few candidates for this) was people driving into the left turning lane (when it was open) and trying to use it as a through lane or right turning lane, in spite of three BIG signs telling everyone to MERGE RIGHT. They even had simple diagrams, arrows, etc... but leave it up to Scarborough drivers to completely botch a very simple concept.
Then again... Scarborough drivers are completely incapable of making a turn without crossing over at least one lane of traffic, so trying to use the left turn lane as a right-turning lane fits right in.
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What was even worse was when they had BOTH the left turn lane and left through lane blocked, so left turners had to squeeze back over, and if there was more than three or four cars trying to turn it held up traffic. I almost got out of my car and pounded a guy because of that - one morning on the way to work I was sitting there waiting for the light to change, and there was maybe 3-4 cars (including me) behind the merge sign/pylons (i.e. an extremely low amount of traffic). So some guy in a SUV comes tearing up, and decides to try and cut in front of me (instead of pulling in behind the 3 cars behind me). I proceeded to move forward when the light changed, but the guy literally forced me up unto the sidewalk so he could squeeze through (and then proceed to pull back over to the left turn lane and wait there). :x Not being able to wait the extra 10 seconds almost killed him :evil: Scarborough isn't so bad. I drive a lot in Markham/Richmond hill for work, and it's worse. Kind of like Scarborough, but in slow motion. :D Ah, gotcha. You confused me by staying 'stagger', which means something different :wink: No doubt, there's plenty of people out there pulling insurance scams, they set you up for a rear-ender, then all of the sudden they have a back and neck problems, and sue you!
Radar Identified wrote:
They bottlenecked Vic Park by shutting off the left lane at Lawrence right where the left turning lane for westbound Lawrence started. So people who were trying to turn left got crunched into the right-most lane. The stupid thing was, all of the construction was north of Lawrence, so they could've just kept the left turning lane open and cut off the left through lane... but no.
What was even worse was when they had BOTH the left turn lane and left through lane blocked, so left turners had to squeeze back over, and if there was more than three or four cars trying to turn it held up traffic. I almost got out of my car and pounded a guy because of that - one morning on the way to work I was sitting there waiting for the light to change, and there was maybe 3-4 cars (including me) behind the merge sign/pylons (i.e. an extremely low amount of traffic).
So some guy in a SUV comes tearing up, and decides to try and cut in front of me (instead of pulling in behind the 3 cars behind me). I proceeded to move forward when the light changed, but the guy literally forced me up unto the sidewalk so he could squeeze through (and then proceed to pull back over to the left turn lane and wait there). Not being able to wait the extra 10 seconds almost killed him
What made it even worse was that it's Scarborough. People have no idea how to react to normal traffic situations, so something unusual just made it a total meltdown. The worst part (and there were quite a few candidates for this) was people driving into the left turning lane (when it was open) and trying to use it as a through lane or right turning lane, in spite of three BIG signs telling everyone to MERGE RIGHT. They even had simple diagrams, arrows, etc... but leave it up to Scarborough drivers to completely botch a very simple concept.
Then again... Scarborough drivers are completely incapable of making a turn without crossing over at least one lane of traffic, so trying to use the left turn lane as a right-turning lane fits right in.
Scarborough isn't so bad. I drive a lot in Markham/Richmond hill for work, and it's worse. Kind of like Scarborough, but in slow motion.
viper1 wrote:
They turn as usual into their lane but stop just after the turn in the hope you will rear end them.
Cheers
Nadnic
Ah, gotcha. You confused me by staying 'stagger', which means something different
No doubt, there's plenty of people out there pulling insurance scams, they set you up for a rear-ender, then all of the sudden they have a back and neck problems, and sue you!
It was the spell correct that spelled it that way!!! I originally spelled it the other way. Victoria park near there has more holes in it then eglinton near laird. Cheers Viper1
It was the spell correct that spelled it that way!!! I originally spelled it the other way.
Victoria park near there has more holes in it then eglinton near laird.
Cheers
Viper1
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BUMPER TAG!! :lol: Okay not really... Although if it does give you any consolation, I did see someone try that when the vehicle in the right lane was a dark Ford Crown Victoria with tinted windows. (GEE... I wonder who that is?) The moron got pulled over just after turning on to Lawrence. Otherwise, I tried to avoid that construction area at all costs. I'd say they're about the same, except in Thornhill they drive like bats out of hell. As for slow... weekends on Lawrence or Eglinton between VP and Markham Road... aaaarrrggghhhh!!!! People distribute themselves between all lanes and drive at 45 km/h or less, ensuring no one can pass. The traffic jams are completely artificial because if people actually drove faster the road would clear up. Part of that's also due to the fact that they're lost, driving on the same roads they've been driving on for years... I think in Scarborough they get in their cars without knowing where they're going or why.
manwithaplan wrote:
So some guy in a SUV comes tearing up, and decides to try and cut in front of me (instead of pulling in behind the 3 cars behind me).
BUMPER TAG!!
Okay not really...
Although if it does give you any consolation, I did see someone try that when the vehicle in the right lane was a dark Ford Crown Victoria with tinted windows. (GEE... I wonder who that is?) The moron got pulled over just after turning on to Lawrence. Otherwise, I tried to avoid that construction area at all costs.
manwithaplan wrote:
Scarborough isn't so bad. I drive a lot in Markham/Richmond hill for work, and it's worse. Kind of like Scarborough, but in slow motion.
I'd say they're about the same, except in Thornhill they drive like bats out of hell. As for slow... weekends on Lawrence or Eglinton between VP and Markham Road... aaaarrrggghhhh!!!! People distribute themselves between all lanes and drive at 45 km/h or less, ensuring no one can pass. The traffic jams are completely artificial because if people actually drove faster the road would clear up. Part of that's also due to the fact that they're lost, driving on the same roads they've been driving on for years... I think in Scarborough they get in their cars without knowing where they're going or why.
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BUMPER TAG!! :lol: Okay not really... Although if it does give you any consolation, I did see someone try that when the vehicle in the right lane was a dark Ford Crown Victoria with tinted windows. (GEE... I wonder who that is?) The moron got pulled over just after turning on to Lawrence. Otherwise, I tried to avoid that construction area at all costs. That does make me feel better! :) I must say, I always do a double take when I see a Crown Vic, just to make sure. And if I'm in the GTA surrounding Toronto, gotta watch for those Impalas, Chargers (Peel) and Tahoes (especially those shifty lookin' beige ones with several antennae, hehe). I've noticed that too, that big hill on Yonge between Steeles and the 407 cars love flying down there, and it's only a 50.... to me that screams 'radar trap'. I always think when that Range goes flying by "enjoy your ticket, buddy". And to be honest, I try to avoid driving on main roads in scarborough. I use Comstock/Ashtonbee a lot (though you need a hummer to navigate the bumps on Astonbee), and if I have to go further east I take St Clair up to Kingston and swing around that way :wink:
Radar Identified wrote:
manwithaplan wrote:
So some guy in a SUV comes tearing up, and decides to try and cut in front of me (instead of pulling in behind the 3 cars behind me).
BUMPER TAG!!
Okay not really...
Although if it does give you any consolation, I did see someone try that when the vehicle in the right lane was a dark Ford Crown Victoria with tinted windows. (GEE... I wonder who that is?) The moron got pulled over just after turning on to Lawrence. Otherwise, I tried to avoid that construction area at all costs.
That does make me feel better! I must say, I always do a double take when I see a Crown Vic, just to make sure. And if I'm in the GTA surrounding Toronto, gotta watch for those Impalas, Chargers (Peel) and Tahoes (especially those shifty lookin' beige ones with several antennae, hehe).
Radar Identified wrote:
I'd say they're about the same, except in Thornhill they drive like bats out of hell. As for slow... weekends on Lawrence or Eglinton between VP and Markham Road... aaaarrrggghhhh!!!! People distribute themselves between all lanes and drive at 45 km/h or less, ensuring no one can pass. The traffic jams are completely artificial because if people actually drove faster the road would clear up. Part of that's also due to the fact that they're lost, driving on the same roads they've been driving on for years... I think in Scarborough they get in their cars without knowing where they're going or why.
I've noticed that too, that big hill on Yonge between Steeles and the 407 cars love flying down there, and it's only a 50.... to me that screams 'radar trap'. I always think when that Range goes flying by "enjoy your ticket, buddy".
And to be honest, I try to avoid driving on main roads in scarborough. I use Comstock/Ashtonbee a lot (though you need a hummer to navigate the bumps on Astonbee), and if I have to go further east I take St Clair up to Kingston and swing around that way
I also use Ashtonbee to bypass Eglinton, although the craters, cracks, etc., are ridiculous. I think my car will need some suspension work if they don't re-pave that road soon. But, it's worth it instead of dealing with Eglinton along the Golden Mile. Better safe than sorry... What's remarkable are the people who DON'T do double takes when the Crown Vic is white with decals, a light deck and the word POLICE written in big block letters on it. HELLO!!
I also use Ashtonbee to bypass Eglinton, although the craters, cracks, etc., are ridiculous. I think my car will need some suspension work if they don't re-pave that road soon. But, it's worth it instead of dealing with Eglinton along the Golden Mile.
manwithaplan wrote:
I must say, I always do a double take when I see a Crown Vic, just to make sure.
Better safe than sorry... What's remarkable are the people who DON'T do double takes when the Crown Vic is white with decals, a light deck and the word POLICE written in big block letters on it. HELLO!!
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It seems matter-of-fact that all sorts of work equipment, namely backhoes, loaders and other similar mororized vehicles without licence plates, sometimes equipped with a slow moving vehicle sign, often not, some with an amber beacon, some without, are encountered on a highway, travelling under their own power, sometimes on multi-lane roads…
Hello everyone I'm not sure if this is the right place to put it but I need some answers as I'm very scared and don't know what to do. Recently if got a Novice Driver B.A.C Above zero I am 23 years old and I'm pretty due to get my G class license in a couple of weeks. I understand that I was wrong for drinking a beer and half and driving with a G2 Class license.
I have been reading Fight Your Traffic Ticket site and have a couple of comments.
I was issued two tickets at the same time, one for invalid left turn (Hwy 7 in Markham and Swansea). Another one, because the officer did not like my copy of registration documents.
I am planning to challenge it in the court. Actually I already submitted the request.
Hi, I have a court date Oct. 21,08 for parking in the fire route of my friends building. How can i get this $100 fine reduced or eliminated? only argument i really have is that visitor parking was full and i went around a few times. I wasn't there for long either.
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I just got a ticket for going right on red fail to stop(114[18])$180. No pedestrians were in the way. I'm not a unsafe driver, so I'm…
My mom received a ticket under OHTA 159(1). She was turning left at an intersection. The light was green and there were no cars in front of her. She entered the intersection and waited for incoming traffic to clear so that she could complete the turn. As she waited, a fire truck with its sirens on was driving from the street onto which she was turning (perpendicular). He honked at her (presumably…
Basically, I was selling the car and I informed the buyer that the car was in not insured at the time.
He bought dealer plates from his work place and assured me that it was fine. We got pulled over by OPP and they asked for our information.
I explained that it was my car and the test driver was working at a dealership with his plates that has insurance, they told us that the plates don't apply
The other day I was given a ticket for speeding 119 in a 90, on highway 17 near Marathon, ON (Speeding ticket capital of the universe, BTW). The officer claims to have "clocked" me using the vehicle mounted radar at 121 KMH and dropped it (presumably to lower fine and demerits).
I was not going that fast, but there was a larger, and faster moving, vehicle behind me, gaining fast (I was driving a…
Location: 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd, Kitchener/ Cambridge.
I was going on 401. When I was approaching the location mentioned at the topic, I tried to over take a truck in front of me, and realized a car tailgating me right after I went out to the fast lane. At first I thought it was some other fast drivers so I just thought that I would go back into the middle…
Hey, i recently got a ticket for failing to stop a red light (Section 114(18)).
I was travelling south, the cop was travelling north. He was on the other side of the intersection then me, my light turned yellow and i tried running it but it turned red before i could cross the line. I was going too fast to be able to stomp the break so i had to run it through.
I'm just curious how long will a Driving while suspended affect my insurance rates? Initially when I got my conviction with DWS my rates went from 180 a month to 390, since then I've had no tickets or even been pulled over and my rates have gone down to 240 since then. I believe it will be 3 years in Sept 2017. Will the DWS affect my insurance for 6 years because thats how long it stays on my…
It's winter, and there's been a cold snap. The highway you are traveling on is wet, but not slippery. You take your exit, but the salt trucks haven't been on this ramp, and despite slowing down to below the recommended speed, your car slips on some black ice, and you find the car rotating clockwise. The car rotates 180 degrees, and slides backwards off the ramp…
So about a month ago I received a stunt/racing charge for going 140 in an 80 zone. I decided to go with a paralegal, and was notified by the paralegal that on the summon's it states to go to a criminal court. The paralegal was confused as this should be at a Provincial court. They said that since I do not have any criminal charges, that the officer wrote the wrong address down including…
I got a careless driving ticket and I was involved in quite a serious accident. I was driving at about 60 km/h arriving towards a stop sign. Unfortunately when I tried to stop, my shoes were sliding off from my foot as they did not have any strap and were perhaps oversized and slippery. I could not stop at the sign and hit a van that had the right of way. Both vehicles were badly damaged and…
In some cases, it takes too long for the Crown to bring a charge against a defendant to trial. If your charge has taken too long to come to trial, you can stop the proceedings by "filing an 11B." This is filing paperwork to bring a motion at your trial, where you essentially say, "my rights to a speedy trial have been violated, and I want the case stopped." It is called an 11B because section…
Hi I'm new to this forum but I hope I'm bringing you all good news.
I recently wrote a book short titled ABUSE OF POWER
This book is all about how the Ontario government broke the law to enact the new street racing legislation.
To start with the denial of the right to remain innocent until proven guilty was enacted without due process under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. How it wasn't done…
I have been caught 3 times driving while suspended for unpaid fines . I have still not paid the fines and did not go to the first 2 court dates. When I was pulled over the second time the police officer said he would put down as it was my first time . But I had to work as I just started a new job. I called in to have the date changed but they said it was to late . So I did not go to court .…
Today I received a hand held device ticket on Gardiner. I was pulled over by the police officer and told i was using my cell phone while driving but i never even touched my cell phone. He told me my hand was not on steering. I am sure i didn't touch the phone. The phone was on the right passenger seat connected to my car. I was using mobile gps which was on dashboard display and never touched…
As the title states, I received a ticket for failing to proceed at a green light. I have gained a lot of knowledge from this site for various things, however even a google search of this ticket doesn't seem to pull up much info. Someone else had made a post about this back in 2009 but my story is quite different.
So I shall explain...
On the night of February 23/2013 I had decided to be the…
Need some advice on reaching a plea deal with the prosecutor and how to go about talking to the crown. I'm not here to be lectured ect. I'm aware I made a mistake, and need advice on fixing it. So kindly keep comments about my impulsive decision to yourself.
Backstory:
I'm 19 with a g2 license. Was going home late at night and decided to go down a road that I knew was smooth with zero traffic so I…
I recently got pulled over and issued a ticket for following too closely and am looking to challenge the charges. However, I will be at school by the trial date. This is significant because I received the ticket in Ottawa (where my family lives), but attend school in Waterloo (almost 6 hours away). I will also be starting co-op this summer and as such likely won't be returning home in order to…
I was charged with careless driving for a one-vehicle accident, and would like to know how to go about pleading not guilty. I was driving on a rural road at night in an 80 kmh zone. I was driving up a hill. At the top of the hill is a 90 degree turn sign (no stop sign, no kmh posted). I hit the brakes too late, and because the road goes downhill and there's a lot of gravel, skidded one or two…
Not sure the right place for this so if it needs to be moved please do so.
I was stopped today for 15 over the speed limit, I gave all the documents to the officer and he said he could not accept a photocopy of my ownership only the original I had a photo copy front and back and I had my plate sticker number with it.
he gave me a ticket for HWY ACT Section 7(5)(a) he said only the original would…
Tonight, I was pulled over for apparently doing 132km in an 80km zone. Although I'd only caught myself doing 120km(yes, still over, I'm aware). After about 30 min of sitting on the side of the road, the officer came over and kindly decided not to take away my license or impound the car on the spot. I did not recieve any fines. He did, however, give me a court date in August. Never mentioning…
I have been a frequent visitor of this site for a while now but I just made an account today to ask a question that I have gotten no real clear cut answer on in the past.
What I'm talking about here is H.I.D. (High Intensity Discharge) Headlight Conversion Kits. For those of you who don't know what they are all about you can just google it and you will receive more than enough…
we will bring you "How to block an Intersection"
I figured that you would fail for waiting behind the line, I had this one time where the person in front of me did that and I had to wait through 5 green lights.
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Not being able to wait the extra 10 seconds almost killed him 
