Last week I talked with MPP Mr. Peter Tabuns , He said John Newell's book has many valid points. He also said he would bring this matter before legislature, but he needs letters from people who have been affected by this law, particularly from the victims of Sgt. Dennis Mahoney-Bruer and from who's been nailed with 172 and been found innocent in court! I would think a written letter would be best, an e-mail would do also! I need those same letters sent here: mrlitho21@msn.com for my next meeting with Mr. Tabuns. Mr. Peter Tabuns 421 Donlands Ave East York, ON M4J 3S2 tabunsp-co@ndp.on.ca Please take the time and write a letter!
Last week I talked with MPP Mr. Peter Tabuns , He said John Newell's book has many valid points.
He also said he would bring this matter before legislature, but he needs letters from people who have been affected by this law, particularly from the victims of Sgt. Dennis Mahoney-Bruer and from who's been nailed with 172 and been found innocent in court!
I would think a written letter would be best, an e-mail would do also!
I need those same letters sent here: mrlitho21@msn.com for my next meeting with Mr. Tabuns.
Good work Bel! Looks like there might be an opportunity for a breakthrough here. Just one other thing: Should this be a sticky? Just thinking it might get more attention that way. The more evidence we can get to Mr. Tabuns, the better. Any other way I can help?
Good work Bel! Looks like there might be an opportunity for a breakthrough here. Just one other thing: Should this be a sticky? Just thinking it might get more attention that way. The more evidence we can get to Mr. Tabuns, the better.
Thanks guys :) I will sit for a few days and see what we get! Sticky Sounds good ..................have to ask Admin for that! Yes Sir there is, can you write the AG and the OPP and ask them to stop the jury rigging up in Barrie :roll:
Thanks guys
I will sit for a few days and see what we get!
Sticky Sounds good ..................have to ask Admin for that!
Radar Identified wrote:
Good work Bel! Looks like there might be an opportunity for a breakthrough here. Just one other thing: Should this be a sticky? Just thinking it might get more attention that way. The more evidence we can get to Mr. Tabuns, the better.
Any other way I can help?
Yes Sir there is, can you write the AG and the OPP and ask them to stop the jury rigging up in Barrie
Guess your not following this too closely....this practice has also been done by the Windsor Police, Thunder Bay Police. And it is not jury rigging at all. An example of that would be putting people on the jury who have all had someone killed by an impaired driver in a impaired driving causing death case. To my understanding is the crown was trying to get jurors that had a completely clean background...imagine that. But defence wants anyone, including criminals to be jurors. Apparently No sense trying to fight the whiny sniffling downturn of canadian society where criminals have all the rights and victims zero! Everyone jumps on the help the criminal band wagon!
BelSlySTi wrote:
Yes Sir there is, can you write the AG and the OPP and ask them to stop the jury rigging up in Barrie
Guess your not following this too closely....this practice has also been done by the Windsor Police, Thunder Bay Police.
And it is not jury rigging at all. An example of that would be putting people on the jury who have all had someone killed by an impaired driver in a impaired driving causing death case.
To my understanding is the crown was trying to get jurors that had a completely clean background...imagine that. But defence wants anyone, including criminals to be jurors.
Apparently No sense trying to fight the whiny sniffling downturn of canadian society where criminals have all the rights and victims zero! Everyone jumps on the help the criminal band wagon!
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
Guess your not following this too closely....this practice has also been done by the Windsor Police, Thunder Bay Police. And it is not jury rigging at all. An example of that would be putting people on the jury who have all had someone killed by an impaired driver in a impaired driving causing death case. To my understanding is the crown was trying to get jurors that had a completely clean background...imagine that. But defence wants anyone, including criminals to be jurors. Apparently No sense trying to fight the whiny sniffling downturn of canadian society where criminals have all the rights and victims zero! Everyone jumps on the help the criminal band wagon! I'm all for criminals getting stiffer punishments, but if you are to be tried in this country, it is to be done by a jury of your "peers". Legal definition of "peers" being society at large, not a hand picked few. Personally I would go onto the street at noon, bigger variety of people, an go you, you and you, in here. And sticky it is.............
hwybear wrote:
BelSlySTi wrote:
Yes Sir there is, can you write the AG and the OPP and ask them to stop the jury rigging up in Barrie
Guess your not following this too closely....this practice has also been done by the Windsor Police, Thunder Bay Police.
And it is not jury rigging at all. An example of that would be putting people on the jury who have all had someone killed by an impaired driver in a impaired driving causing death case.
To my understanding is the crown was trying to get jurors that had a completely clean background...imagine that. But defence wants anyone, including criminals to be jurors.
Apparently No sense trying to fight the whiny sniffling downturn of canadian society where criminals have all the rights and victims zero! Everyone jumps on the help the criminal band wagon!
I'm all for criminals getting stiffer punishments, but if you are to be tried in this country, it is to be done by a jury of your "peers". Legal definition of "peers" being society at large, not a hand picked few. Personally I would go onto the street at noon, bigger variety of people, an go you, you and you, in here.
And sticky it is.............
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
My understanding of the "law" is that doing detailed background checks on potential jurors is 100% illegal. It's not bending the law...it's breaking the law. People have the right to privacy. If this wasn't blatantly breaking the law, then the Attorney General wouldn't have done squat about it....and he immediately stopped the practice. Although, I'd assume the practice was totally promoted internally until the media got ahold of the story. They're allowed to cite a criminal record legally and that's it. But the media got access to the notes that were given to the Crown by the OPP and things like "doesn't like Police" were written beside names.....WTF???....what kind of check did they do to come to that conclusion? So the system was trying to buck it's own system....and to me, that's a conscious attempt to stack a jury. If I'm up on trial in front of a jury of my peers, I want a balanced jury. And to get a balanced jury you need folks who might just question the tact of law enforcement and not just take their word for it. Cause if my future hangs in the balance, I want everyone on that jury to question everything.....not just folks who represent the June Cleaver's of yesteryear
hwybear wrote:
Guess your not following this too closely....this practice has also been done by the Windsor Police, Thunder Bay Police.
And it is not jury rigging at all. An example of that would be putting people on the jury who have all had someone killed by an impaired driver in a impaired driving causing death case.
To my understanding is the crown was trying to get jurors that had a completely clean background...imagine that. But defence wants anyone, including criminals to be jurors.
Apparently No sense trying to fight the whiny sniffling downturn of canadian society where criminals have all the rights and victims zero! Everyone jumps on the help the criminal band wagon!
My understanding of the "law" is that doing detailed background checks on potential jurors is 100% illegal. It's not bending the law...it's breaking the law. People have the right to privacy.
If this wasn't blatantly breaking the law, then the Attorney General wouldn't have done squat about it....and he immediately stopped the practice. Although, I'd assume the practice was totally promoted internally until the media got ahold of the story.
They're allowed to cite a criminal record legally and that's it. But the media got access to the notes that were given to the Crown by the OPP and things like "doesn't like Police" were written beside names.....WTF???....what kind of check did they do to come to that conclusion?
So the system was trying to buck it's own system....and to me, that's a conscious attempt to stack a jury.
If I'm up on trial in front of a jury of my peers, I want a balanced jury. And to get a balanced jury you need folks who might just question the tact of law enforcement and not just take their word for it. Cause if my future hangs in the balance, I want everyone on that jury to question everything.....not just folks who represent the June Cleaver's of yesteryear
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