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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:47 am 
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Hi.
last weekend I was driving on the 138 towards Cornwall.
it’s an 80 zone, 1 lane each direction.
I follow 2 cars that goes between 65 an 80, annoyingly varying their speed.
after a while I decide to pass, in a passing zone.
the road goes downhill.
I accelerate pass the first 1, then pull back in the right lane.
the passing zone is coming to an end so I accelerate again to pass the second one.
there is an oncoming car in the horizon, but I have plenty of time.
I pass the second one then pull back in the left lane, and start to decelerate, to get back to my crusing speed.
the car coming at the horizon and he meets me a few seconds after I am back in my lane.
It’s an OPP, he U-turns and pull me over.
-He inform me he clocked me at 130.
-0I tell him I was passing at this point and my cruising was no more than 85.
-He argues, than I passed cars that were going 90 (downhill)
He lowered my speed on the ticket to 129 so he didn’t had to do the street racing thing.

Now I never complain when I get a ticket I feel I deserve, but I am not sure how fair it is this particular situation to ticket me on a passing speed...opinions?
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The speed limit is the limit, not the minimum or average. It's an unfortunate situation, since you weren't driving at that speed for long, but I don't think it's unwarranted. That's my opinion.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:04 pm 
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so to pass someone that drives 75 in a 80 zone, you only can speed up to 80?
I read some states allow exceeding the speedlimit when passing, but I cant find any info specific to ontario....


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mathvw wrote:
so to pass someone that drives 75 in a 80 zone, you only can speed up to 80?

that is correct!
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I read some states allow exceeding the speedlimit when passing, but I cant find any info specific to ontario....

there is no such law for Ontario

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:06 pm 
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hwybear wrote:
there is no such law for Ontario


There's no such law for any US state or any Canadian province, either.

Montana had no official daytime posted speed limit for a few years but scrapped it. It was ruled "unconstitutional." :shock:

mathvw wrote:
so to pass someone that drives 75 in a 80 zone, you only can speed up to 80?


It's kinda stupid that you can't accelerate to a reasonable speed to overtake in safety and minimize time in the oncoming traffic lane... but such is the law, unfortunately.

Because the original speed you were clocked at falls into the "stunt driving" category, I'd suggest you talk to a paralegal before you decide how to proceed. If the Crown decides to withdraw the 49-over speeding charge and replace it with 50-over stunt driving, that could be quite costly.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:21 pm 
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There's no such law for any US state or any Canadian province, either.



RCW 46.61.425
Minimum speed regulation — Passing slow moving vehicle.

(1)... That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety

washington law.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:23 pm 
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mathvw wrote:
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There's no such law for any US state or any Canadian province, either.



RCW 46.61.425
Minimum speed regulation — Passing slow moving vehicle.

(1)... That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety

washington law.


would not apply anyway...you were in a 3 lane area

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mathvw wrote:
washington law.


That's news to me... I guess Washington is one exception.

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would not apply anyway...you were in a 3 lane area

no I was not in a 3 lane area.
I know it would not apply; it happened in ontario.


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mathvw wrote:
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would not apply anyway...you were in a 3 lane area

no I was not in a 3 lane area..


this is from your original post

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I accelerate pass the first 1, then pull back in the right lane.
the passing zone is coming to an end so I accelerate again to pass the second one


Pulling back into the right lane + Passing zone is coming to an end = 2 lanes in your direction of travel
Therefore there are 2 lanes in one direction and one oncoming lane = 3 lanes

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:18 pm 
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I know this road very well (and was on it all last weekend too) I believe "the passing zone is comming to an end" meant the he was aproaching a hill, or curve and the dotted line was going to be a solid line. There is no third lane for passing on the 138 between cornwall and the 417.


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Pulling back into the right lane + Passing zone is coming to an end = 2 lanes in your direction of travel
Therefore there are 2 lanes in one direction and one oncoming lane = 3 lanes


I am glad you were there with me so you can remind me of the circomstances.

driving in the right lane, passing the 1st car by going in the left lane (oncomming traffic) move back to the right lane.
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dotted line was going to be a solid line

repeat the process for the second car.
only 2 lane necessary.

I am out of here.
hwybear, you can reply something clever again, and you will have had the last word. I bet you like that.[/quote]


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:15 pm 
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Obviously I was not there. I have never ever heard of an oncoming/approaching traffic lane being known as a "left" lane, until now. So, I apologize for becoming confused from your original post and should have clarified from the start.

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Interesting little temper tantrum there from the OP. Is he even old enough to drive?


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mathvw wrote:
am glad you were there with me so you can remind me of the circomstances.

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A bit sensitive, are we?

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