Highway 21 is often closed in the winter. I and a lot of other people need to cross Highway 21 to get to work. Several people have told me that if a highway is closed, it's not only illegal to drive along the highway, but to cross it on any intersecting road, because while you cross it you're technically driving on a closed road. Is this true?
Highway 21 is often closed in the winter. I and a lot of other people need to cross Highway 21 to get to work. Several people have told me that if a highway is closed, it's not only illegal to drive along the highway, but to cross it on any intersecting road, because while you cross it you're technically driving on a closed road.
This is the actual section from the Highway Traffic Act: The way the section reads, yes, you would be operating your motor vehicle on a closed highway. Would a police officer actually charge you? Not sure how likely that would be. If the crossing was in the middle of nowhere, I'm guessing not likely. If it's at a major intersection and the officer saw you drive around the barricades/do not enter sign, more likely. And be mindful that you drive on the road at your own risk. I'm curious if there might be some issues with insurance coverage if you were in accident on the closed portion.
This is the actual section from the Highway Traffic Act:
Highway closing
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), a police officer may close a highway or any part thereof to vehicles by posting or causing to be posted signs to that effect, or placing or causing to be placed traffic control devices as prescribed in the regulations.
Driving on closed highway prohibited
(3) Where signs or traffic control devices have been posted or placed under subsection (2), no person shall drive or operate a vehicle on the closed highway or part thereof in intentional disobedience of the signs or traffic control devices.
Exception to subs. (3)
(4) Subsection (3) does not apply to,
(a) the driver of a road service vehicle, an ambulance, a fire department vehicle, a public utility emergency vehicle or a police department vehicle; or
(b) a firefighter, as defined in subsection 1 (1) of the Fire Protection and Prevention Act, 1997, driving a motor vehicle other than one listed in clause (a) while performing his or her duties.
No Crown or road authority liability
(5) Every person using a highway closed to traffic in accordance with this section does so at the persons own risk and the Crown or road authority having jurisdiction and control of the highway is not liable for any damage sustained by a person using the highway so closed to traffic.
The way the section reads, yes, you would be operating your motor vehicle on a closed highway. Would a police officer actually charge you? Not sure how likely that would be.
If the crossing was in the middle of nowhere, I'm guessing not likely. If it's at a major intersection and the officer saw you drive around the barricades/do not enter sign, more likely.
And be mindful that you drive on the road at your own risk. I'm curious if there might be some issues with insurance coverage if you were in accident on the closed portion.
I'm with Staton on this. Don't think you would be bothered for going straight across the closed road. But go down the closed road and you most certainly will get attention. (ticket which has demerit points) Plus pretty sure every insurance company voids the policy when driving on a closed highway, do "Drive without Insurance" could apply at $5000 min penalty. Very similiar to venturing onto lake in the winter, most insurance voids policy while driving on the ice.
I'm with Staton on this.
Don't think you would be bothered for going straight across the closed road.
But go down the closed road and you most certainly will get attention. (ticket which has demerit points)
Plus pretty sure every insurance company voids the policy when driving on a closed highway, do "Drive without Insurance" could apply at $5000 min penalty. Very similiar to venturing onto lake in the winter, most insurance voids policy while driving on the ice.
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
Just for clarity, As long as do not drive AROUND the "Road Closed" barrier, you should be ok. "by posting or causing to be posted signs to that effect, or placing or causing to be placed traffic control devices as prescribed in the regulations. " It's all about the location of the signage, it works the same as Speed Limit signs, in this case the closure area is limited to an area between the signs. If an officer, or whomever is responsible for the the signs, puts up 2 signs at a 4-way intersection, then I would see that as 1 road being closed. Most of the time when I have seen road closed signs there have been officers present and it was done in a way that closes only a block of road, i.e. you can drive around it.
Just for clarity, As long as do not drive AROUND the "Road Closed" barrier, you should be ok.
"by posting or causing to be posted signs to that effect, or placing or causing to be placed traffic control devices as prescribed in the regulations.
"
It's all about the location of the signage, it works the same as Speed Limit signs, in this case the closure area is limited to an area between the signs. If an officer, or whomever is responsible for the the signs, puts up 2 signs at a 4-way intersection, then I would see that as 1 road being closed. Most of the time when I have seen road closed signs there have been officers present and it was done in a way that closes only a block of road, i.e. you can drive around it.
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
Thanks for the responses. That's along the lines of what I was thinking. You're technically driving on a closed road when you cross it, but it's not likely to be a problem in the real world. Just FYI, when Highway 21 is closed, it's usually between Port Elgin or Kincardine as a minimum, which is a 40 km stretch of road, and it's not unusual for it to be closed say from Port Elgin to Amberley or Goderich (a 90 km stretch), sometimes for days at a time. Obviously there aren't barriers at every intersection, usually just at major towns along the way, and normally just for traffic that would be travelling along the highway.
Thanks for the responses. That's along the lines of what I was thinking. You're technically driving on a closed road when you cross it, but it's not likely to be a problem in the real world.
Just FYI, when Highway 21 is closed, it's usually between Port Elgin or Kincardine as a minimum, which is a 40 km stretch of road, and it's not unusual for it to be closed say from Port Elgin to Amberley or Goderich (a 90 km stretch), sometimes for days at a time. Obviously there aren't barriers at every intersection, usually just at major towns along the way, and normally just for traffic that would be travelling along the highway.
If in doubt, you could always just put your car in neutral, give it a good push and let it roll across the highway. That way you can honestly say you weren't driving. :D
If in doubt, you could always just put your car in neutral, give it a good push and let it roll across the highway. That way you can honestly say you weren't driving.
You can only cross the highway in town, so in kincardine for example it would be at sobeys, highway 9, Russell st. Etc. Anywhere beyond the boundaries are illegal to cross. If caught you could get a ticket for $110 plus 3 demerit points also your insurance becomes void on a closed road.
You can only cross the highway in town, so in kincardine for example it would be at sobeys, highway 9, Russell st. Etc. Anywhere beyond the boundaries are illegal to cross. If caught you could get a ticket for $110 plus 3 demerit points also your insurance becomes void on a closed road.
i lost my license in an accident i had to due my exceeding amount of demerit points. i went to jail and made bail i was put on a curfew of 9am to 9pm stupidly enough i did not follow and i got pulled over for driving with a different cars license plates, no insurance, and violating my curfew... i…
I was charged for disobey sign (no left turn) in a winter noon time around Bay/Edward (the prosecutor/judge said it to be a Absolute liability offences but disobey sign is actually a strict liability offence, right? And I found this: For example, if you made an illegal left-turn where there were…
so got fined with 69km in a 50km, at bottom of hill...didn't even have foot on the gas. first ticket ever in over 10 years of driving. fine was 62$ and 3 points.
cop says take to court and get demerit points reduced. didn't even let me speak and walks away.
On my way to work today I got a 110 dollar ticket + 2 demerit points.
I was driving north on Bathurst and turned left onto a side street into a residential area before hitting the lights at Eglinton and Bathurst. I normally do this to avoid the big line up to turn left onto Eglinton.
On the 400 extension EB towards Barrie cops like to hide out under an over pass that is Ski Trails Rd. They tag people as the come over the crest of the hill and that is 900m from where this officer was standing.
I'm confused because I knew this, saw the cop, and checked my…
I was making a left hand legal turn on a green light, a driver came through the lane I was supposed to be going into ran the red and hit me head on as I was turning into my lane. When the officer came he was telling me that I was racing and driving recklessly because apparently there was reports of…
Today i got caught doing 115 in a 90 at Mayfield and 410 and what I have been reading is that this offence is 3 points. Seeing this is my first offence I'm unsure if the ticket is supposed to I lost 3 points or is that just automatic. Also should I go to fight it to drop the points and just pay the…
I was (recently) involved in a traffic accident where, due to icy road conditions, I slid into oncoming traffic while making a right turn, while they were coming towards me and stopping at a stop sign. This was a residential area and there's no way I was exceeding anything over 20KM/h on…