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Oh ya don't forget about those CO2 emissions from driving to fast R.I

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Looks like hwybear at a road side stop for someone who didnt move over when he had his lights on cause they were talking on a cell phone. :lol:

You know with this law, i dont know how common it will be enforced.

Can you give multiple charges?

Such as careless driving, and then add ...

"The Law of Traffic Offences Ontario" by S.C. Hutchison is a great book with lots of case law on every page. There IS a section on Speeding, though not particularly detailed. I had no problem getting a copy locally by ordering it at a book store.

I always intend to get the "Speeding..." book too, but never got around to it. I could use a copy ...

Or is that how many pull ups hwybear does to the tim hortons drive through in a shift

Thanks neat to know.

Squishy like for example let's say you applied for OPP. But you were interested in working for a traffic detachment or Highway Safety Division?

Could you specify this in your application. Would they give you something close by, your in Orillia so maybe barrie,407 detachment, toronto one, etc or could they force you to go ...

Ya i just read that to.

I wonder what Julian Fantino thinks of the road side trial now?

This is exactly why this law is garbage.

I like what the guy says about he is still down about 900 $ for the towing and storage fees.

172, needs to be changed and or scrapped.

Just one of thousands of people in Ontario screwed over by this law.

Justice ...

COrrect me if i am wrong i got a close up of this device in the manual.

There is no button to select the direction.

I have seen a demo of an in car unit it might have been an Eagle or a Genesis 2 but the officer has a bunch of buttons to select mode's and the antenna he wishes to use.

How would this kind of hand held (seems basic) device do that ...

The yellow lines are just to illustrate the "radar" beam or the direction of his weapon. There are possibilities.

but what i am trying to show is that with nothing in the middle what is there to not say he read someone else oncoming.

The green X's are cars and the red would be his location.

With this device, and being so far back with how wide ...

Okay secondly.

Disqualify the officer?

I don't think so, you can try to have the charge dropped wording it carefully that due to a lack of training, or no proper certification approved by the company and or the OPP, justifies that this officer is not properly trained to use the specific radar device.

If this fails i would complain there is no ...

Peel is now requiring a degree?

Jeeze at least before they had hard physical testing.

I thought police were to "Serve and Protect"

I always wondered in what way a degree makes you a better officer?

I can understand the need to pass tough physical testing and other tests such as driving ability, mutli tasking, awareness, how you react to various ...

Radio Reference has a bunch listed.

Do the analog ones always stay same?

Sure we could make legislation for that now to racer.

We could call it the Two hands on wheel Legislation.

And make it illegal to use your hands for anything else but controlling or operating a motor vehicle.

Then we could have a long legislation with all the exceptions listed.

Like tip tronic, or manual transmissions
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Using ...

Question.

Does the Plane actually have some sort of Radar and or Lidar to check speed.

I am going to guess that is a NO.

So they use markings on the road or something.

What if he screwed up or counted them wrong or lost track?

Does the officer down below have to get a reading on a lidar/radar unit?

How are the plane operators trained to read ...

No i heard Julian Fantino banned these books in Ontario a while back.

Ahh this brings up some good technical questions.

First of all isnt a GPS an wireless communication device capable of sending data. A blackberry does that to? Whats the difference. Both are distracting.

Oh wait but what if i decide to use a GPS program on my blackberry.

The built in one is safe but the phone one is not?

I thought all this was ...

Viper the analog will still work if a car is near that has a repeater (repeater is analog)

Are peel, TPS, Halton using digital now aswell?

Squishy i understand.

But this is 2009, if they didnt want anyone to hear they would encrypt it.

And that would absolutely be illegal to listen in on encrypted channels or breaking your way onto them.

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If they had anything that looked like this they have the right away.

Sometimes its better to just let them have it.

I would not advise cutting off OPP officers, or motorcycle gangs on highways or any road way.

Cutting off police or motor cycle gangs is not against ...

I was just wondering would it be illegal to use a device like this while operating a motor vehicle?

Uniden sells many digital Scanners in which you can listen to OPP or any other police force, ems, etc (channels are on the net to listen to)

I have heard you can hear tons of information regarding accidents, dispatch, speed traps, officer ...

How accurate are most speedo's in cars?

I heard alot of car speedo's are usually 3 km/hr faster then what your really going.

Interesting i have heard them use the plane there.

To bad they spent all that money on a plane.

They could have used that to add extra lanes around the GTA with all the added volume in recent years and improve our roads, fix pot holes, etc.

So whats dangerous about checking a text message quick waiting at one of those long lengthy stop lights in a busy suburb intersection while it takes a long boring 4 mins to get moving again?

Just a question.

An officer gets accused of something like this (pretty bad)

If he is found guilty i assume he will be removed from the force?

I can understand the paid suspension (because he still has his right to a fair trial and is guilty until proven innocent) Something Julian Fantino doesn't understand!

But if he was found guilty would he ...

Curious could someone post manuals up for this?

Are these devices tested to read speeds accurately in rain or snow?

If one received a speeding ticket in rain or snow what kind of chance would they receive on fighting it?

I am sure these units are all properly tested, calibrated to be accurate with in X km/hr but does this apply for wet weather ...

I may be wrong, but to what I have heard is that tuning forks in themselves are made by using radar.....they keep shaving the metal to the tune of speed "X" on radar.

Even if the above is not the case, the tuning fork potentially could get dings, knicks or even bent over time, thus giving a wrong "tune" to the radar, unit is sent for repair but ...

Interesting thread.

Ticket Combat if you are in the GTA area Beltronics used to be in Mississauga. They had a research lab i think.

Maybee you should call them and stop by they might be able to help you out on that.

Absolutely radar and lidar work on different principles.

Just for curious how often is that "specific vehicle/ sure it was this ...

R.I answered this very well.

In Ontario local police forces like Halton Regional, Peel, TPS, KW Police, yes they can arrest you on a 400 series highway.

But this is not they're job to enforce it.

Usually these police just use the roads to get somewhere and they do not "patrol them."

But if you do something really stupid or dangerous and you ...

Just curious where abouts did this happen?

Usually that plane is on the 400 surprised they were going for the 129.

Usually they bring that out on the long weekends to go after the really fast and aggressive drivers.

I really wonder how this is going to be enforced.

Maybe in those small rural towns with low population where the police aren't.

This will be like the usual ill just do 20 over on the highway thing.

I really doubt this will change anything. Especially on the highway so many drivers in heavy traffic......

Besides what does this law even do???

If ...

Suspended with pay :shock: ?

I guess that goes along the line, of running a poorly mis managed company for years, taking excessive risk, and then getting billions in Tax payer money?

Anyways neat. That detachment in Port Credit is very strange, i was thinking corrupt but that may be to much.

They like the 403 alot thats for sure.

Some of these ...

Bear has already stated that he'll give 20 over before he pulls in a customer...so don't we already have 120, at least in his area???

Depends on the Area. In Chatam and some places West of London they really enforce it.

The mentality now of alot of Ontario drivers seems to be that the best time to speed is with alot of traffic and tailgate as ...