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My advice is that you do not respond to the ticket at all and file an appeal within 15 days of receiving the conviction notice. You will then argue that (a) the ticket was defective on its face for not being in both languages and (b) there is no stop sign at this location.


Other that the (short form wording) the complete offence notice is ...

Reflections wrote: Then we can record every single stupid thing we do and the nice man in the blue uniform can hand me 20 tickets when I get home.

... job security out the window.....Canada Post will be tasked with delivering the tickets! Then they will have to sort them at each house into the "english" and "french" mail box

lawmen wrote:The province needs to make new bilingual forms that only require the cop to check off boxes for the offence committed. Then sign his name in French and English.

Brilliant, quicker to write tickets!! Plus no writers cramp! WooHoo!!

My name and signature would not change!

Imax wrote:Any car going inside that 3 foot circle can interfere with readings on the intended target.

The only thing that would happen is NO reading at all if two targets were to happen to get in the beam.

hwybear... you guys dont really sit in the weeds with a radar gun like that do you :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Not like that....that face has no "camo" and the dark glasses are a
give away!!

However, I have sat on a lawnchair, under a bridge, between the steel ...

Might want to check the clearance heights under bridges :D

OREG 597 deals with Commercial Motor Vehicles

Safety Standards are at OREG 611.

Also check the manufacturer's GVWR (white plate type thing inside the driver's door) Gives the vehicle weight and MAXIMUM GVWR. Might need to get the truck weighed so you know. Then you have a new empty ...

Reflections wrote: Ask for the officers notes as far back as the beginning of his/her shift, that is when they do their alignment test.

FYI, we do not give complete notes for our whole shift. Only applicable notes for the incident in question

Reflections wrote:Disclosure it is. I really doubt that the officer could reliably get your speed with the other car in front of you.

Absolutely, very easy to do obtain all speeds on all 3 vehicles.

If said accident report was filled 6 months after the fact and is full of discrepancies with the one given by the cop at the scene, can I use that fact to my advantage and how?.

A few issues here. By HTA police have to submit the Collision Report within 10 days. Our internal policy is 7 days.

In 12yrs, I have never ever seen a Collision Report ...

More or less. Cop's notes say I "cut the corner". Interesting since he arrived an hour after the fact..

Does not really matter how long after that the police arrive. Once arriving the officer will begin by talking to drivers, looking at physical evidence etc and try to determine what heppened. Then mandatory to complete a "Traffic Collision ...

I would be guess that HTA 148 applies to the description provided.

Passing meeting vehicles - vehicle on highway meeting another shall turn out to the right from centre of roadway, allowing the other vehicle one-half of the roadway

This is too complicated. No need to re-invent the wheel.

Just make it simple...We already have the following conditions:
G1 = zero alcohol
G2 - zero alcohol
Just add that a "G" driver must be a minimum of 19yrs of age.

G1/G2 already have lower demerit point levels, which multiple tickets will take care of a suspension for demerit points.

Bottomline; it would save eveyone money and time if cops would just stop laying stupid tickets.
Got that right, I'd rather be in Tim Hortons with my Cafe Mocha and Boston Cream..

OR those vehicles that keep "auto piloting" and breaking the rules of the road only to have a :shock: driver behind the wheel....who me?
Too many cars have watched ...

I have to agree that 172 it is poorly written.

Just read this.
Option 4: Dispute the Charge in Writing. If you don't live in the jurisdiction where your trial will be held, you can dispute the ticket in writing. However, if you don't write a good enough defence, you will be convicted. If you do write a good excuse, the justice can hold a hearing in your absence. Since you don't get to respond ...

The "R" code is just that. "R" for reduced, "L" for Liquor, "X" for voided ticket, there are a couple more codes for different things, but never use any others. I can check when I get back to work

One must be able to surrender the permit for that vehicle. Permit includes the vehicle portion and plate portion. The back side of the permit is where the corresponding validation from the validation sticker must be placed. One may surrender a true COPY of the permit (front and back).

Hey Bear, notice the SCC relies upon a US case in para 26!

I did not say cases elsewhere do not matter in court.

What I said is I don't give a rats behind about definitions from outside Ontario.....why? I can not just pull definitions/wordings/sections out of my ass and make up things at roadside, I have to have it in front of me, in B&W at ...

To me, this is simply set up so an issuing officer can screw over the accused. If the officer is told off or given a hard time at the time he is laying a charge against the accused, all the officer has to do is proceed by summons, instead of certificate and offence notice, and the accused is no longer permitted to pay the lower set fine because ...

Who cares about the BC Acts? Might as well find links from Australia, Iceland, France, China etc...

I also wonder what POA Doherty was reading. He stated, at para. 72, he finds "no statutory requirement that the "set fine" amount appear on the certificate of offence."
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Issuance and service

(2) A provincial offences officer who believes that one or more persons have committed an offence may issue, by completing and signing, a ...

If you have a wife that talks a lot (everyone) then you know you have to have them repeat the odd sentence a moment or two after all your attention was directed to a traffic situation...

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Good reason NOT to talk to the wife.....that's what I use now....you didn't answer your phone, nope, I had to slow down, pull over an stop ...

He's smoking a cigarette and talking on his cell phone. I would have honked but he was a cop in a marked cruiser. DOH!

Is smoking in a city vehicle not against some city by-law?
Hopefully no young offenders were in the back seat!

No just a city bylaw...Provincial Act....every vehicle owned by a company is designated a "workplace" and is to be ...

This law (Bill 191 2002) has been in effect since 09 December 2002
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scary part - 6 officers hit within the last year while parked on the shoulder with lights flashing
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OPP warns motorists to slow down and move over when passing ...

Lawmen - thank you for putting a good post together which is clear, concise, gets your point across and all without a single cut a paste of some section!! WooHoo, your coming around

lawmen wrote: I dont know that it is even on a record, but you mentioned that it is, and you want it removed.

Would think that it is similiar to someone that does not have a licence or from out of province, the MTO will generate a DL so that a HTA fine can be tracked.

MISCELLANEOUS DRIVING RULES
4. The driver or operator of a vehicle or streetcar emerging from a driveway, laneway, or
building or streetcar or bus loop onto a highway shall bring the vehicle or streetcar to a full stop immediately before driving onto a sidewalk or footpath, and upon proceeding shall yield the right-of-way
to pedestrians upon the ...

Again, the boy wasn't driving a motor vehicle thus he had no obligation to report. The driver of the car did if it was apparent the damage was $1000. It turned out to be $1200. It's so close that it was not apparent that it was over $1000. Even i it was, it was his duty, not the boys, to report the accident. If the boy didn't suffer any real ...

"highway" includes ... any part of which is intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles and includes the area between the lateral property lines thereof;


Sit back and read past what you are reading.....we both see "which is intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles"

after that there is a ...