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SO this is my 2c's (options)

1> work out the cost of going to court, parking, loss of wages and of course the fine. (it will only ever be mon-fri they want to punish you criminals even further :) )
2> I guess going to ER (early resolution) you could put a case, they "may" listen to you, you could do something on the fine, as you say you have a ...

WHAT are you saying that people "lie" or expand on the truth.......... NEVER LOLZ

ynotp wrote:It happens, I wouldn't say it's unusual, but not overly common either. Usually when people go to the reporting centre they all say they were the ones driving properly so there isn't much basis to issue a ticket.

It's really the same had you hit a cop car, whoes word are other LEO's going to accept.
Get a GOOD paralegal,
your not debating you hit the car, but HOW you hit it, otherwords, you where pushed,
sitting on the fence "people drive far too close and do not keep enough stopping/braking distance or PUSHING distance"
not saying this was the case, but ...

you said you skidded into the car, maybe you should have said, "I was pushed into the car by the car behind me I even had my brakes on (I assume)"
OR, sorry officer, I've just been in a serious accident, I need medical assistance, my name is, my address is my DOB is, my insurance is........ keep mouth SHUT
or I'm sorry I really don't know it happen ...

Multi Car Pile Up: Who is at Fault?

Who is at fault in a multi car pile up? This instance is one of the hardest for the insurance companies to decide. There are general rules of thumb that can help determine who was at fault.

Always, if you rear end someone, you are at fault. It doesn't matter how slow they were going, or why they slammed on ...

If your holding it, that's all that is required, doesn't matter where, stop light etc, if the engine is running and your on the road i.e not pulled over and properly/safely stopped.
Clean record doesn't matter
I don't think it can be reduced as there is no other charge to reduce it to,

Others will be along to corroborate and offer advise

oh wait a minute, didn't something go through from gov't that insurance companies had to reduce there quotes ? I believe it wasn't mandatory.

anyway I'm not complaining, though sig other is

txs for the response., so as I said no details, this wasn't a Road traffic issue, but it WAS a serious criminal issue they where trying to charge me, which would have meant a jail term.
On the first call (telephone), they didnt even identify themselves AS police, they had ALSO used a family member to lie to me.
There was No evidence against me and ...

Read this:
http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/courts-and-procedure/representing-yourself-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-t7039.html

hey thats a good read, just a question and sorry for the hijack
you said "but NEVER ask a question that you do not already know the answer too"


why is that

thinking you want them to give an answer that would ...

Most people I pull over don't know what a permit looks like, nor an insurance card. (I usually end up,saying "the green pice of paper and the pink one!" How would you expect them to navigate around the dashboard of a car!

They may not be able to turn on their hazards or parking lights but I'll bet they can whiz right through the nav/sound/phone ...

NO WAY !!!!!!!!!!!, you get that....... LOLZ

There should be part of the driving test where you should be able to show some competence/awareness of your car instruments.
How, when, why to put lights on, correct use of fogs,

Most people I pull over don't know what a permit looks like, nor an insurance card. (I usually end up,saying "the green ...

another good point, what the hell has happened to courtesy, many years ago, us drivers used to look out for each other, see a leak of water, no brake lights, even warn oncoming cars of speed/cops laying in wait.
now, "screw you", I always give a wave like you and then get thoroughly pi$$ed when the driver doesn't return it, as if it was there right ...

mine told me (a few years ago) depends on the ticket, I had a doing a u-turn where there was a no uturn sign, the insurance wasnt too bothered about it
the speeding, only regarded as a minor, it did go up last year about 5-10% but this year has gone down.

coolski

I NEVER EVER touch my phone in the car, I have OCD, so my 110% routine is this

* get in car close door
* put phone in drivers door pocket (theres a specfic) ledge there
* switch on bluetooth (in car)
* select some banging tunes
* drop the top

and I' away

LOLZ point is I NEVER touch the phone, I have a buttong on my steering wheel to answer ...

to add, my auto lights ALWAYS bring on back and rear lights and dash, when it's just under twilight or very dim
they bring the lights on
NEVER had a problem with them,

I hear and feel your pain, I stopped doing anything about it, when I used to get stupid/angry responses.

So, I let them drive on, hopefully they will learn when they get copped or wrap themselves around a lampost and Darwin takes control.

Seriously, a lot of people, simply think, they can get into a car and drive, because they have a license ...

Just wanted to share, a question that comes up about effects of insurance and convictions

So my car quote, came in $457 less than last year, listed as 1 minor (speeding) due to come off this year in June (as far as abstract is concerned) renewal is in March

Wife has a 1 minor as well speeding , "think" it comes off next year (2018), now her one ...

^^^^^^^

no, no, not overkill, your VERY sensible,
it doesnt matter who is right or wrong, if your dead or seriously injured, very few things can remedy that,
as a driver doing everything right, imagine the guilt you would have,
I had the shakes all night, even a shot of brandy (when I got home) didn't calm me down, not for a few hours.




Yes, I realized ...

not sure your correct on that.

option 2 ER, you always see the prosecutor to discuss a resolution, lower fine etc, generally, they WONT go into your defenses, you are generally guilty, then you go before a judge,
not heard nor seen it how you describe it.

I've seen 3 or 4 cases , that the defendants have been excused, depending on there excuses ...

I feel your pain, I had a similar issue, a few months back, but the ped was ok, didnt hit him, just came VERY close to him and put him off balance and he fell, stopped and checked him out, he was ok, long story short, no police where called and I drove him home, no details exchanged or anything, thing I notcied

* Pedestrians are wearing dark/black ...

Remember though that a 15 over (0 demerits) and the 20 over (3 demerits) will still cause your insurance to increase the same amount.

as jsherk says also to note the points are irrelevant to some extent, except for totting up
if you get a conviction for speeding under 49kmh its usually considered minor, 50 or over major
and then you will have 2 ...

why was careless added ?
I can't see/understand

I work for the MIB and my car is not insured, if I ever hit anyone, I just blank there memory

Yes Happy Christmas, not happy holidays !!!!!!!!!!!

Going to be on holiday till next year, so not planning on doing any work

So I just wanna wish you all a Merry Christmas
drive safely, don't drink and drive, and don't get any tickets

to confirm, this is a GOOD piece of legislation stops lots of needless accidents and deaths
but execution is NOT good

this is annoying, I understand the leg and why it is important, seriously I do, but moving a phone off your seat to stop it falling, is a far cry from holding a phone to your ear, or texting
Letter of the law, or common sense...

when I get into my car I have bluetooth, I switch it on and put the phone in my door pocket, never touch it

They say every time an officer writes a ticket with a fatal flaw an angel earns his wings

Oh it's a "wonderful life"

jsherk wrote:Congratulations, you have a fatal error!

lolz, yeah I suppose if you lose then your back to the original offence

argyll wrote:Even jsherk is wavering from his usual Fight Hard, Fight Everything, Fight Until the Justice Cries stance

oh yeah sorry...........
your right.

argyll wrote:Bobajob. Read the above. This is about avoiding the suspension on points.