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A big thumbs up to the simulator approach suggested by Bookm and Radar Identified. Beats me why, since simulators work well for learning to handle complex tasks from flying airplanes to navigating at sea to operating industrial cranes to driving transport trucks (in Europe), they are not a required component of learning to drive a car in Ontario ...

hwybear wrote: A. Well they all did it, it was the right thing to do!

You got me. I should have added "in fine weather conditions, with no tailgating," or something to that effect.

I'll vote for upping it to six, because this really is dangerous behaviour. Way worse than, say, "speeding" at 130k with the flow of traffic on a 400-series highway (though I don't know, offhand, how many points that's worth).

I vote with trepidation, though, because I wouldn't trust the current folks at Queen's Park to get it right if they were ...

Y'know, maybe there is something good about the American idea of electing judges. She'd get my vote.

The scope is offset from where the laser pulse is emitted. How is it aligned for different distances ?
I'm no great fan of having laser beams pointed at me while I'm driving, but I don't think parallax is an issue. The laser beam is not significantly affected by gravity and has no wind resistance, so the "error" between the sightline of the scope ...

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Proper1 wrote: Sounds like an OPP feeding frenzy that got out of control.

Ah ha...see above was on the DVP...not OPP area.....quit pickin' on the "odots"!

Yup, DVP = Toronto Police. (Does in fact sound more like something they would do, rather than the OPP.) My apologies.

Radar Identified wrote:Cicero also said "He only employs his passion who can make no use of his reason." Think that applies here?

With regard to Queen's Park? Does it ever!

"Kind of crazy" is admirably understated, picus. Sounds like an OPP feeding frenzy that got out of control. It would be amusing if it weren't for the nasty penalties involved -- said penalties including, of course, not only the fines and the "victim surcharges" but also the possible insurance implications, the hassle of dealing with the whole mess ...

Bookm wrote:The highlighted sub-folders work properly for me.

Seem to work OK here too -- Firefox 3.0.4 on Windows XP.

hwybear wrote:Perhaps another section of this forum could be made titled "The Legal Perspective"for all the ins and outs of the laws.

Well said, HB. I had to turn down my hearing aid from all that shouting, but it might have served to catch the attention of an administrator?

lawmen wrote:How come we don't hear about cases like this in the main stream media?

The Globe and Mail and Toronto Star (among others) both carried the story on November 10, as did CBC news. It went out on the CP wire in both languages at 1:01 p.m. Eastern that day.

...since impaired operation of a motor vehicle isn't restricted to highways, could an operator of a radio controlled car, boat or helicopter who causes an accident, and possibility an injury to another person, be charged with impaired operation of a motor vehicle?
I'd think such a charge would be possible. The criminal code is careful to talk ...

I used to be in favor of banning cell phones while driving but I just don't trust this government to write fair and balanced legislation. It seems to me the same thing occurred just recently A-bloody-men to that!
I'm still in favor of banning all cell phone use while driving ("hands-free" just makes it less immediately obvious why that donkey in ...

Good points by HB, TC and racer! I think the roundabout at the west end of Ancaster, where Wilson meets Meadowbrook, is a classic example of a roundabout that would be a lot better if it were bigger. Drivers would likely (we can hope) be better at using them if they were more common.

Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question, but why, on ...

The posted speed limit is the legal limit, is the legal limit, no? We're welcome to venture into outlaw-land above the limit, and I imagine all of us do, but that is at our own risk. And passing a marked cruiser who's traveling at the limit ... give your head a shake! It's like in the game of rugby (not football, rugby) where there is a principle ...

Congratulations on your good fortune, thehun1, but did the Crown say why they were withdrawing the charge? Your original post touched off such a good discussion here that I'm probably not the only one who would like to know the details.

You misunderstand the situation, BelSlySTi. That's not a radar gun that HwyBear is holding, it's the biggest mothering Taser in the world and that damn donkey is goin' down!

You're an "cop."

I'm not relying on the cases, I'm relying on what he Supreme Court said...Wake up.
Yes, he's an cop, and he's also a valued member of and contributor to this board. In fact, his posts are particularly appreciated precisely because, though coming from the other side of the badge, they are rational, informed, clear, to the point ...

Correct, nothing preventing crossing the lines.......but normally the lines are placed in areas where other offences might apply.....no clear view on curve, hill, bridge, railway crossings etc.
Well, I'll be [whatever]! I did not know that, and it makes sense. Thanks for that, ticketcombat and Bear.

So the issue at intersections like Hwy. 10 ...

The bilingual argument may make any discussion moot here (and good luck with it), but I think there's still an interesting point. I detest cutters as much as anybody (i.e., drivers who deliberately drive in a right lane past cars that are cooperating at a slow spot, then cut into the head of the line) but I'm wondering just where a lane marked for ...

it was a dotted line where I tried to change lanes.
Wouldn't this make it a legal lane change (assuming correct signaling, etc.)? I wouldn't have thought you'd be "locked in" until the line became solid. If the bilingual angle works, great; but I would have expected common sense to apply. (I'm no expert on the law, but I do drive that highway and ...

I've had a TomTom for a couple of months now, and my experience is much like those above. It's very useful for navigation on a trip, much less so for hiking. I wonder if the speed over the ground is a factor; i.e., the little computer likes a relatively high rate of angular change between it and the satellites, and at a walking pace the rate of ...

I suspected as much. Sounds like in this, as in many things, our police methods are more sensible (and at least as effective) as the cowboy stuff we see on that TV show. Breathalizer readings are surely better evidence than the accused's ability to perform feats of strength and agility on the spot. (And either would beat what I heard so often as ...

Well, I can't dance like that guy but I can't recite the alphabet backwards either, so I guess I'm drunk right now!

- road conditions (pavement, gravel, uneven, curve, hill, grooves of traffic, rain, snow, ice, sand, debris)
- age of driver
- weather (wind, rain, snow, fog, sleet)
- vehicle (brake condition, tire tread depth, type of tires)
"Age of driver"?? Yoda and I protest! Wouldn't it be the driver's physical and mental condition that's the issue, rather ...

Something I've long wondered about -- do we in Ontario make people suspected of impaired driving do the same physical tests that we see on COPS on TV from the Excited States? I don't think I'm likely to fall under suspicion any time soon if I don't drink, but I do drive, and ... you never know! If I were told right now to get off my chair, tip my ...

Just lower all the governed speeds in vehicles and will not have these issues to this extent! Put them all at 130km/hr.
With respect, HB, the opposition to this legislation (172) and the way it's being used isn't about the targeting of drivers who really do drive at wildly excessive speed (or commit other nuisances) on public roadways. To focus ...

Charge as normal at roadside....go to court.....when conviction registered 30 day suspension on 1st offence and $2000, 90 day on 2nd offence and $5000, 1yr on 3rd offence and $10000.

Yes! First the charge, then the trial, then the conviction, then the penalty. That's how a just system works. And the severity of the penalty should reflect society ...

Hmm. Interesting. I went down to the basement and checked my Michelin X-Ice winter tires. Date code 0405, and I bought them in December, 2005. No problem there. So I check the Goodyear Allegras that I bought a month ago, that are on the car now: no date codes. Presumably, as the video suggests, those codes are on the inboard side of the tires (I ...

Prop, nice avatar. I can't look at it without laughing.........

Why, thank you, Reflections. It's my high school graduation pic.