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"The problem to be solved is, not what form of government is perfect, but which of the forms is least imperfect."
James Madison (1809–1817)

"The ballot box is the surest arbiter of disputes among freemen."
James Buchanan (1857–1861)

"Law; an ordinance of reason for the common good, made by him who has care of the community"
-- St. Thomas ...

It's a bunch of bunk...

Canada and it's successive governments, like all nations have adopted laws to protect their people and assert people's rights in a balance with the rights of society.

Yes it's an imperfect system...but the alternatives are no less perfect.

Could we return to a feudal system? Great...then how do we prevent drunks and 9 ...

Strange I had an 05 Mustang (the nice new retro style) when they first came out...drive all over TO and cottage country, prior to that an 03 BMW M3, my wife had an Auti TT Covertible...I think we can agree those are flashy cars...add my Italian Sportsbike to the equation for that matter...

No officers in the GTA / OPP would know my cars...

I ...

Like I said we could and will agree to disagree...problem is most of this is based on perception and there really isn't any greater challenge than changing perceptions...

Some people don't believe that police internal complaints system worked or was a serious means of bringing complaints against police, thought that discipline administered by our ...

Has your speedometer been certified? How often would it have to be calibrated? An errant speedometer is not a defence...

You must get stopped a lot. Why?

I bet the average driver gets stopped once every 10-15 years...I'm thinking rather than get a video camera, you need to go out and get yourself a clue if you are getting stopped that often.

You ...

I got tazed in training.

Ouch!!!

But it last 5 seconds not 45 minutes like OC spray.

I much prefer the tazer, hurts like every muscle in your body severly cramping at once, but it's over in 5 seconds...

Of course I'm not overweight, have a pre-existing medical condition, not high on cocaine and am not engaging the police with intent to escape ...

Call the prosecutor's office and make arrangements to get a copy.

Well it appears we could wear out a couple of keyboards and having read your reply, you have a very interesting viewpoint which is clear you strongly believe in...however...I will reply on a few points...


Yes funny that isn't it ? I wonder if the fact that the complaints dept is situated WITHIN the actual police station itself causes people to ...

The society of which I speak is called Canada.

All Canadians deserve the RIGHT to travel in safety. You should not be harmed going about your daily business because other chose to flaunt the laws leading to your injury or death.

I think all traffic fines should go to charity, that way once and for all people would stop thinking that traffic ...

I would say it depends when you changed your address.

If you changed months ago then I suggest you are fubar-ed. If you changed it and after a reasonable time (2-3 weeks) you hadn't received an updated one, the onus is on you to follow thru and get the updated copy, via MTO.

If it was recent, then you might have an arguement.

Never trust a ...

Well you hit a vehicle that was ahead of you that stopped?

If the evidence doesn't clearly describe follow to close not sure what would?

Careless Driving also fits, so I suspect the officer cut you a break.

You did cause the accident, and the duty of the vehicle in front of you doesn't include braking in a user friendly manner so they'll bare no ...

Nothing magical there PaulinCanada.

Courts have recognized that when you do this daily over the course of years you get good at estimating and really anybody can develop the skill...

After 2-3 months on the job I was almost always bang on...I'd estimate 100 km/h and activate the radar 103km/h.

The reason courts prefer officers make their ...

I concur with hwybear...

Agree with bear on this...

We had a traffic officer who would stay on the road til the last minute of his shift looking for impaireds every night, sure he made lots of extra money cause every arrest happened at the end of his shift and there was lots of OT.

But he was also an accident reconstructionist, signed up for every PAID DUTY...and wrote ...

As the driver of a motor vehicle you are responsible to make sure you have the required documents to operate the vehicle and that you sticker is up to date etc...so there isn't much of an arguement there.

As for the time, I would speak to the prosecutor...they do have the ability to amend the ticket per R. v. Winslow which is the authority on ...

That's one definition...

The Highway Traffic Act of Ontario defines driver as - "driver" means a person who drives a vehicle on a highway.

So that's the definition.

Each statute may set out it's own definitions, so don't get too hung up over what another book may say, when it comes to the HTA, it's the HTA's definition that matters.

Here's a few questions:

How can you tell which people warnings work with and which it won't?

Why do police have to warn people when they have a duty to know the law?

Statically warnings don't fix the problem. Sure most people will take the cover off, but cause we can't stop everyone, a large number will not. I've personally had several drivers ...

Well I suppose it could be argued you should have got a warning, but then everyone else should get one too right...where do you draw the line on warnings?

I suppose we could all go around everyday and warn everyone all the time, but then really people would not fear the consequences and just say I'll just do it til I get a warning, then wait to ...

Likely shouldn't be objected to...unless there has been some material change...

It's stuff like window tints that can be reduced then photographed and claimed to be as they were.

I stopped a guy once whose Escalade's windows were so dark he coulda been welding in there...he show up in court with pics of the truck with NO window tint and said I ...

By the way, I really hope you are more of an aberration than a typical constable considering your lack of respect for the proper legal process. While our Charter is largely useless as long as NWC's invoked, it should still give us some guarantees regarding fair treatment by law enforcement officers and the courts. Those guarantees were created to ...

Weird, I've charged maybe 75 times under that section and always gotten a conviction...people bring their 407 bills, but the 407 is known to make lots of mistakes...and clearly if you've changed the apparent colour of the plate it's confusing the identity. Plus a tint of any kind makes it harder to read as it lowers contrast. I had one JP state ...

Sorry to get back on topic...but 28 tickets a day? That doesn't sounds possible...assuming 30 minutes to find and ticket each offender...well those are 14 hour shift plus lineups, lunch, bathroom breaks, court, training...28 a month / rotation sounds what they meant and seeing as officer on 12 hour shifts work 14 of 28 days it makes a lot more ...

I wrote this article in response to another post regarding an on-duty police fficer involved in an MVC a a result of what appears to be some boneheadedness on his behalf...but it's a good talking point...so I've reposted it here to get other perspectives...



At most collisions these days civilians get to go to the Collision Reporting Center, no ...

This is unfortunate. But I'll cast my perspective on this...

At most collisions these days civilians get to go to the Collision Reporting Center, no charges are laid and life moves forward.

Officers like this fellow, have a police investigation, get charged, also get charged under the Police Service Act for Discreditable Conduct and generally ...

255 in a 100 km/h zone? Yikes that's just plain dangerous driving (Criminal Code)...I can't see any reasonable excuse to go 155 in a 100...even the police who get special training are instructed that at about 40km/h over the speed of traffic your training won't help you...

If you are doing 155/100 you deserve the stunting ticket. That's ridiculous ...

That's great news for you but did you find out why?

Court of Appeal overturns stunt driving ruling
Published On Thu Mar 18 2010EmailPrintRepublishAdd to Favourites
The Canadian Press

The Ontario Court of Appeal on Thursday overturned a lower court ruling that found the province's 2007 stunt racing law was unconstitutional, and ordered a new trial for an Oakville woman.

The problem for the court ...

I'm guessing will be convicted.

The not plainly visible part includes the colour of the plate. The colour of the plate which is part of it's identity is being obscured...

Plus you lose the very important part of being able to see it, you greatly reduce the contrast of dark colour on light colour.

Your intent, whether or not you knew (you're ...

Sec 13(2) Entire Plate Not Plainly Visible.

Ontario's street racing law upheld amid legal debate over possible jail time
By Keith Leslie (CP) – 18 hours ago

TORONTO — Ontario's controversial street racing law was upheld Thursday in a judgment that largely turned on whether the possibility of jail time for offenders makes it unconstitutional.

Jane Raham, 62, was acquitted of the stunt ...