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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:21 pm 
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Need assistance in determining how to proceed with a disobey stop sign - fail to stop ticket. I told the officer that I did stop and he said that I did not make a complete stop. He also said that there is zero tolerance in a school zone. I did make him aware that I know where the schools are as i leave in the area. He also mentioned that the conversation was being recorded
Should I just pay the charge? Was also thinking of going with option 2 which is early resolution - to meet with a prosecutor or choose the trial.

This occurred in Woodbridge and the court would be in Richmond Hill.
Any help would be much appreciated.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:28 pm 
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My opinion is that you should always fight every ticket and never just pay.

Option 2 meeting with the prosecutor will be a waste of time.

Choose option 3 not guilty and request a trial with the officer present. Once you get Notice of Trial, you can then request disclosure (officers notes). Once you get the officers notes, blank out personal/officer info and post them here. Once we read the notes, then we can decide if there is a defense or not.

You can just plead guilty and pay the ticket anytime up to the trial, so you have nothing to lose by getting the officers notes.

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jsherk, on 07 September you said to Harpreet Singh :50 or more over is a SERIOUS offence for insurance purposes (as it is racing/stunt driving). Speeding at 49 over is only a MINOR offence for insurance purposes. I would do early resolution and ask prosecutor if they will drop to Speeding 49 over and then take that". As well, you left out your normal line of plead not guilty, request disclosure, post the notes so we can look for errors...

and on this post you say "My opinion is that you should always fight every ticket and never just pay".

Why the difference in the two?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:12 am 
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No difference... always fight means do something, and dont just plead guilty and pay. I understand that when something is SERIOUS by insurance purposes that it might be better to take plea down to a MINOR insted of risk fighting it. But you should still always get disclosure before making a final decision.

Is disobey stop sign fail to stop a SERIOUS offence?

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jsherk wrote:
Is disobey stop sign fail to stop a SERIOUS offence?


Stop sign offenses are minor unless the sign is on a school bus.


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I think he knows that ;)

I believe he was just being rhetorical

bend wrote:
jsherk wrote:
Is disobey stop sign fail to stop a SERIOUS offence?


Stop sign offenses are minor unless the sign is on a school bus.

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