Hey guys i have a problem. I have never done it but a few times i have seen a sleepy trucker who was all over the road and i had to use *OPP i dont wish to do that to anyone but i think he was endangering his life and others. Although i see bad drivers everywhere there is one thing that really bothers me. What do you when its the Provinces own OPP with the poor driving, speeding and aggressive driving? I don't know why everytime though i see an OPP offficer around the GTA he always seems to be speeding unless he is at the side of the road with a customer or checking for speeders with the few exceptions at on ramps for seat belt checks? Last week i encountered a problem. There was 2 officers that driving was completely unacceptable. I was going up erin mills pkwy right off the QEW to go north. Although i stopped at the light and to my joy i saw one of those sexy Highway safey division cars. Oh boy!!! not only 1 but 2 of them (best looking police cars in ontario) I am always thrilled every time i see a HSD officer. After all these guys enforce the rules on our 400 series highways. They must be the authority on proper driving and know the OHTA off by heart. Anyways i was so joyed to see 2 OPP HSD cars both marked vics going up erin mills pkwy. I wanted to drive beside them and check out their cars and all the cool devices the officers had on the inside. Hell maybee if they were going for a tim horton's break i would have bought a coffee to. But my joy soon started to piss me off. It was dark outside and raining. People go alot faster then 70 on erin mills but today everyone went the speed limit. Anyways as the light turned green one of the officers slammed on the gas. He spun his wheels!!!! Stunt driving i thought okay this must just be a mistake. But maybee he forgets that others have been charged for accidently doing this and having their cars towed so no big deal. I tried to drive behind them but i couldnt. My 4 cylinder could not keep up with their acceleration. They were flooring it. The light turned yellow and they stepped on it and i was so disappointed. I really wanted to check their cars out. But at the next light i managed to catch up they were there. I was right behind them finally. But again he spun his tires. I tried to keep up but when i was already 20 over the speed limit he was 25-30 over the limit. I wanted to follow him and just remind him that road has a 70 km/hr speed limit. but as he got up to about 95 i figured he didnt care. I was following them when both these officers cut off everyone and tailgated eachother onto the 403. Mind you no lights the whole time on and not even on a 400 series highway!!!!! 1. Stunt driving (spinning wheels) 2. Following to close 3. Accelerating at a yellow 4. Exceeding the speed limit about 20-30 over the whole time on a city road with a posted limit of 70 km/hr!!!! In the rain at night in traffic. Now bear and the rest of you will all tell me what else is new. People drive like this all the time. I don't know if i said it but these are Police Officers that work for the Highway safety division who were driving marked car's not on an emergency breaking the very laws that they charge us with!. I mean the HTA can be perceived as many ways. We don't all agree. But OPP officers should be the ones who set the example. Especially the HSD officers they're job is basically enforcing the OHTA. This sets a terrible example for the public and ruins the image of the OPP in many of us. I guess OPP many OPP officers seem to know about speeding. I find it funny that every time i see them on a 400 series they are always exceeding the maximum limit. There is officers that follow the rules but many times i see them driving to close sometimes even tailgating their own team mates in the left lane exceeding the limit! So i guess in Ontario having a smokey the bear hat and driving a crown vic with the letters OPP marked on it is a license to do anything on the roads. I guess Heidi Fischer and Robert Tapp know all about this. I have no problem when i see an officer's going 20-30 over the speed limit, just i would hope they have enough ethic's to not charge other's for doing the same thing that they do. I thought the job of the OPP was to enforce the OHTA. Shouldn't that be the ones setting the example for us and following the rules.??? Anyways i think OPP license plates are as follows. "OPP 123" If its 3 digits i have one of the officers license plates i wrote down. Maybee next time i am in the area i should visit his detachment for a friendly visit and just ask him if he knew what the speed limit was.? I also would love to ask him if he has ever charged anyone else for spinning their tires, going 20-30 over the limit, following to close, and making unsafe lane changes. I remember a guy who got charged in this forum last week he was passing and temporarily exceeded the speed limit. Usually when i see officers driving on our highways they are in the left lane passing everyone. A few months ago near Mavis rd & 401 i saw 2 officers returning from the scene of an accident going over 130 tailgating eachother along the way. (not even 1 care length between them). I care. In fact every time i see an OPP officer they are on the side of the road or if i am lucky enough i might be able to see him for a few seconds before he passes me over the speed limit. They enforce the OHTA so why every time i see an officer moving most of the time they are breaking the laws of it? Maybee i am wrong but i though that police officers were exempt from the speed limit and ohta when on lawfully on an emergency and need to do so i had no idea being a OPP officer at a HSD division was some sort of license to drive however you want.
No argument here. Dalton & Co are so concerned about a few sporadic cases of people being irresponsible that they'll eliminate any opportunity for younger people to be responsible (the restrictions on young drivers that they proposed last year comes to mind). How the heck are we supposed to be able to do anything in our adult lives if we aren't given the opportunity to learn how to be responsible as youths?
FiReSTaRT wrote:
My take on it is that common sense and common courtesy can't be legislated no matter how much the fiberals try. Those come under the headings of "education" and "parenting."
No argument here. Dalton & Co are so concerned about a few sporadic cases of people being irresponsible that they'll eliminate any opportunity for younger people to be responsible (the restrictions on young drivers that they proposed last year comes to mind). How the heck are we supposed to be able to do anything in our adult lives if we aren't given the opportunity to learn how to be responsible as youths?
Sponsorship scandal ring a bell........no one, but everyone pays.... Not to go off topic but anyone notice that the cop in the site logo is tailgating??
How the heck are we supposed to be able to do anything in our adult lives if we aren't given the opportunity to learn how to be responsible as youths?
Sponsorship scandal ring a bell........no one, but everyone pays....
Not to go off topic but anyone notice that the cop in the site logo is tailgating??
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
Bingo!! That is where it has to start. Good Work Bookm. But I have seen society change to, where the parents refuse to think their little angel did anything. Nor do the parents admit their mistakes. Parents letting their teens stay our all night. There is even a recent decision in Quebec where a 13yr old sued her father (and won) as was not allowed to attend a school function as she was grounded for an incident...where is society going?? (ie: I was parked on the edge of a street, see an ATV doing donuts in a parking lot, it comes within 5 ft of my cruiser hood and parks on the road beside the unmarked cruiser, goes to walk in the home :shock: Told him to get his parents, they come out, I tell them where he was....NO he wasn't he never left the property :shock: :shock: :shock: HELLO, the ATV is still on the highway (parked on sidewalk in a town).) Now back sort of on track that we are over burdended with laws. I agree, but is due to people, not owning up and finding loop holes to the system and more rules are made (ie: no parking sign....pretty simple...well why do we now have more signs on the same pole....no stopping, no standing). Add in the over whelming "public inquiry" and the "coroners inquest" for every single little thing.....and here comes motorcycle helmets, bicycle helmets, snow board helmets, seatbelts etc..
Bookm wrote:
I teach my kids manners at the dinner table. I teach them to open doors for others. They say please and thank you, and they try their best to put others needs ahead of their own. I fully expect these same characteristics to play out on the open road when they get their licenses and start driving.
Bingo!! That is where it has to start. Good Work Bookm.
But I have seen society change to, where the parents refuse to think their little angel did anything. Nor do the parents admit their mistakes. Parents letting their teens stay our all night. There is even a recent decision in Quebec where a 13yr old sued her father (and won) as was not allowed to attend a school function as she was grounded for an incident...where is society going??
(ie: I was parked on the edge of a street, see an ATV doing donuts in a parking lot, it comes within 5 ft of my cruiser hood and parks on the road beside the unmarked cruiser, goes to walk in the home Told him to get his parents, they come out, I tell them where he was....NO he wasn't he never left the property HELLO, the ATV is still on the highway (parked on sidewalk in a town).)
Now back sort of on track that we are over burdended with laws. I agree, but is due to people, not owning up and finding loop holes to the system and more rules are made (ie: no parking sign....pretty simple...well why do we now have more signs on the same pole....no stopping, no standing). Add in the over whelming "public inquiry" and the "coroners inquest" for every single little thing.....and here comes motorcycle helmets, bicycle helmets, snow board helmets, seatbelts etc..
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
So I'm driving home on Friday and low and behold there's a pokey driver in the left lane of a 2-lane section of the 407. I waited hoping he would move over but sadly, no. While I was waiting I noticed a OPP Yukon in the rearview. Just for fun I changed lanes and went past the LLBandit and cruised at 115. It took the officer 5 minutes to go around the traffic clogging ding-dong. Slow vehicles to travel on right side 147. (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (1). I know 'bear, normal speed of traffic means the speed limit, but still.....we need a rewrite.
Bookm wrote:
Those who drive with little or no respect for those behind them are real dangers on the road. Rear view mirrors seam to be but a useless ornament for many motorists. They don't give a *EDIT* about the line of cars behind them. Why should they? They're obeying the law after all.
So I'm driving home on Friday and low and behold there's a pokey driver in the left lane of a 2-lane section of the 407. I waited hoping he would move over but sadly, no. While I was waiting I noticed a OPP Yukon in the rearview. Just for fun I changed lanes and went past the LLBandit and cruised at 115. It took the officer 5 minutes to go around the traffic clogging ding-dong. Slow vehicles to travel on right side
147. (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (1).
I know 'bear, normal speed of traffic means the speed limit, but still.....we need a rewrite.
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http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
I always thought "normal speed of traffic" meant the flow of traffic. That way, you don't have to keep right during a traffic jam, as the "normal" speed could be 50 km/h under the limit by now. The same way, it should apply to traffic flow above the speed limit.
I always thought "normal speed of traffic" meant the flow of traffic. That way, you don't have to keep right during a traffic jam, as the "normal" speed could be 50 km/h under the limit by now. The same way, it should apply to traffic flow above the speed limit.
I agree we need a rewrite. Something like "Fail to drive in right hand lane, except while actively passing" or "Driver failing to move right for motor vehicle approaching from rear at greater speed" Then think would have to take out speed altogther...as various arguements.... - I'm at the MAXIMUM speed, I am not allowed to go faster, therefore the driver behind should not be catching me - I'm going with the flow of the vehicle in front of me 200m (safe following distance) , why should I move right b/c someone thinks "his" flow should be faster
Reflections wrote:
I know 'bear, normal speed of traffic means the speed limit, but still.....we need a rewrite.
I agree we need a rewrite. Something like "Fail to drive in right hand lane, except while actively passing" or "Driver failing to move right for motor vehicle approaching from rear at greater speed"
Then think would have to take out speed altogther...as various arguements....
- I'm at the MAXIMUM speed, I am not allowed to go faster, therefore the driver behind should not be catching me
- I'm going with the flow of the vehicle in front of me 200m (safe following distance) , why should I move right b/c someone thinks "his" flow should be faster
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Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
Not tailgating - looks like the banner text was blocking the road so he had to cross to opposing lanes to pass...but the stupid red wagon isn't moving out of the way. :evil:
Reflections wrote:
Not to go off topic but anyone notice that the cop in the site logo is tailgating??
Not tailgating - looks like the banner text was blocking the road so he had to cross to opposing lanes to pass...but the stupid red wagon isn't moving out of the way.
I agree we need a rewrite. Something like "Fail to drive in right hand lane, except while actively passing" or "Driver failing to move right for motor vehicle approaching from rear at greater speed" You should schedule a meeting with Mr. Fantino. :D Step 2 is to get rid of 150 (1) (b) and (c).
hwybear wrote:
Reflections wrote:
I know 'bear, normal speed of traffic means the speed limit, but still.....we need a rewrite.
I agree we need a rewrite. Something like "Fail to drive in right hand lane, except while actively passing" or "Driver failing to move right for motor vehicle approaching from rear at greater speed"
I wondered why the cruiser was driving the wrong way......or is it going in reverse? (white door is on front, red light is on drivers side) :lol: All the vehicles have yellow headlights......We should "spiffy" that up a bit.
hwybear wrote:
Reflections wrote:
Not to go off topic but anyone notice that the cop in the site logo is tailgating??
I wondered why the cruiser was driving the wrong way......or is it going in reverse? (white door is on front, red light is on drivers side)
All the vehicles have yellow headlights......We should "spiffy" that up a bit.
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
I agree we need a rewrite. Something like "Fail to drive in right hand lane, except while actively passing" or "Driver failing to move right for motor vehicle approaching from rear at greater speed" Then think would have to take out speed altogther...as various arguements.... - I'm at the MAXIMUM speed, I am not allowed to go faster, therefore the driver behind should not be catching me - I'm going with the flow of the vehicle in front of me 200m (safe following distance) , why should I move right b/c someone thinks "his" flow should be faster Write it like this.....ahem.."If yo flooo ain't tight, move it to the right" That would take care of the GTA.... :D
hwybear wrote:
Reflections wrote:
I know 'bear, normal speed of traffic means the speed limit, but still.....we need a rewrite.
I agree we need a rewrite. Something like "Fail to drive in right hand lane, except while actively passing" or "Driver failing to move right for motor vehicle approaching from rear at greater speed"
Then think would have to take out speed altogther...as various arguements....
- I'm at the MAXIMUM speed, I am not allowed to go faster, therefore the driver behind should not be catching me
- I'm going with the flow of the vehicle in front of me 200m (safe following distance) , why should I move right b/c someone thinks "his" flow should be faster
Write it like this.....ahem.."If yo flooo ain't tight, move it to the right"
That would take care of the GTA....
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
Had it been me in Bear's driver seat, I'd pull over those left-lane bandits and people with mounds of snow on their vehicles, ticket them for speeding and anything else I could find and then tell them exactly why they got singled out from the crowd.
Had it been me in Bear's driver seat, I'd pull over those left-lane bandits and people with mounds of snow on their vehicles, ticket them for speeding and anything else I could find and then tell them exactly why they got singled out from the crowd.
What kind of a man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.
thanks....I'm picking up the sunflower seeds I just sprayed ....that was good :lol: :lol: Now for sale at 'Bears house, another slightly used keyboard, only $5.
hwybear wrote:
Reflections wrote:
Write it like this.....ahem.."If yo flooo ain't tight, move it to the right"
That would take care of the GTA....
thanks....I'm picking up the sunflower seeds I just sprayed ....that was good
Now for sale at 'Bears house, another slightly used keyboard, only $5.
http://www.OHTA.ca OR http://www.OntarioTrafficAct.com
I think i know what it is the guy in the blue station wagon must be Jim Kenzie and that is Julian Fantino behind him. Either that or the officer sees doughnuts in his car and is trying to catch him to see if its for real.
I think i know what it is the guy in the blue station wagon must be Jim Kenzie and that is Julian Fantino behind him.
Either that or the officer sees doughnuts in his car and is trying to catch him to see if its for real.
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