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Are you quoting some source here, or composing an example? I'm composing an example.

can you elaborate on what you mean by the last comment about attacking the foundation of the charge? When you walk into court you have a presumption of innocence which should mean there is reasonable doubt about the evidence presented against you. In order to ...

Was the sign in both English and French?

I think they're out by the crop circle.

I just drove by that spot today. At 60km/h it takes about 2.5 seconds to reach Logan from the sign (about 42 metres). At 105 km/h it would be about 1.4 seconds which is the amount of time he has to aim and take a reading. Acquisition time is usually around 0.38 seconds for lidar plus he's also got to pull the trigger. Way too tight. Plus the angles ...

And a quick post script: for all those who think some cops are bad, well some bads aren't cops:

Man arrested for pulling people over in fake police van

Well I invited myself to this forum and I'm extremely appreciative of the opportunity to learn and debate these topics with some very knowledgeable people. We discuss the arguments, not the typist. And we are all the better for it. I should know, Bear baked me a humble pie.

My bad, I was off by one street. I was thinking street past the baseball diamond (Logan) but wrote Bouchette. Should use the satellite photo next time.

So are you saying he was sitting in his cruiser and then started a pursuit to stop you? That's new.

Sweet. Nice graphic work. Did Bear get leather interior?

P_Joe, I would pursue the fatal flaw on the ticket argument. You can even highlight it in your disclosure request under a section called "Explanation and Clarification of the Charge": Please indicate how the "Total Payable" on my Notice of Offence is calculated, including a breakdown for the set fine, costs and victim fine surcharge. Also please ...

Bear, agreed that there is a lot of case law that is BS. The biggest one is R. v. Daviault . In Toronto, the cops and prosecutors have known about the bilingual requirement for four years but they still continue to lay charges. And unless you know about Myers, you will be found guilty despite being completely innocent.

Traffic court is a game and ...

It is soooo tempting to make a crop circle joke...

The cop can stand wherever he wants. If he's on private property, the owner can ask him to leave. It does not affect your ticket.

The court will only consider whether you committed the offence. The trial is about you, not the cop.

Your notice of trial will have the charge listed as speeding (and only speeding!) The court has to determine whether you were speeding. They then calculate your fine. If you were speeding in a community safety zone, then the fine is double.

If the cs zone doesn't exist (because the sign wasn't bilingual) then your speeding fine is just the regular ...

But double jeopardy prevents an impaired driving charge being combined with an over 80 for the same incident.

That does not make sense. The charges of impaired driving and driving over 80mgs is laid all the time for the same incident. 2 different offences.
One being incapacitated motor skills and the other is level of alcohol over the legal ...

no police force in Ontario uses X-band any more. So what's the flippin' problem? Nobody manufactures x-band anymore but I've seen estimates from 0 to 20% that they are still used somewhere in North America in smaller forces that don't have the budgets to replace everything.

I knew of an old timer in the OPP who still used pacing to catch speeders ...

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There are two eastbound speed traps. One on Bouchette St. to nab you as you are coming down the exit ramp and a second one, past Leslie, on the driveway of the movie lot (ironically just at the 60km/h sign).

Westbound on that same stretch, they have one on the north movie lot ...

Off topic a bit, but the reciprocal agreements have been in place for years and not just demerit points. If you don't pay your parking tickets in Montreal, you can't renew your Ontario license.

We are dealing with what YOU were charged with, not what some CBC reporter wrote. You were NOT charged with stunt driving, you were NOT charged with the CBC's "driver crowding", and you were NOT charged with careless driving which has 6 points.

Focus on your s. 78(2) charge which does not carry any demerit points.

You must request disclosure from ...

A similar topic was discussed here . It sounds like you were charged with careless driving not stunt driving . I just looked at the reg and I don't see any mention of a television but section 78 of the HTA does cover it. And I think the fine is too low for stunt driving.

In any case, make sure you request disclosure to find out what the officer ...

CB, you are likely concerned about the impact of this charge on your insurance and your employment. Both can be affected. You won't have a clean driver's abstract if you apply for work elsewhere. Insurance companies can count either convictions or demerit points or both.

It's in your interest to fight the ticket. It can't get any worse and you ...

1. Shouldn't 45 over automatically require a court date set? Automatic court dates are only required for summons (to appear in court). Your offence was not severe enough.

2. Is it a good idea if I take a picture from the street You have to state who took the picture and when. That's why you should take the picture, otherwise the photographer has ...

Can this charge get worse if I go to seek clemency? The good news (if you can look at it that way) is that it can't get any worse. You are already charged the full amount. And you will get 3 demerit points.

This is a set fine offence. The judge cannot reduce it except in extreme hardship cases. $110 is not an extreme fine so you won't likely get ...

hwybear wrote:I'll throw another idea in the mix

Charge as normal at roadside....go to court.....when conviction registered...

Finally Bear!!! Penalizing people AFTER they are convicted. Is that confetti falling from the sky!?!

I agree with Reflections (except for the math part). 755 people were penalized for something they were never convicted of. And of those, 229 were not guilty of anything. That's just wrong.

Conviction rate is construed to whomever wants it to be.
33% - that is those convicted under 172...What is the actual % of those that left with absolutely nothing?
325 convicted, 229 dropped and 526 reduced. Source: "Street racing: thousands charged, few convicted"; CBC, June 9, 2008

Also see Conviction rate slowing for street-racing ...

Reflections wrote:My preceeding vote was paid for by the Belslysti foundation.

Damn, I voted before I was offered the candy.

p.s. Racer:

Approval should be < 65%

I think you mean ">65%".

Bookm, I read that five times and still can't figure it out. I get it up to 62.72 MPH but couldn't figure out the 7 foot bumper to hood line calculation:

88 X = (60 * 95) 5700

That was awesome. My favorite was the first aid. They should take the pet peeves thread on this site and apply the trunk monkey concept to it. Someone cuts you off, pop the monkey through the sunroof, a few well placed eggs...

Do monkeys count on high occupancy vehicle lanes?

Don't we already have a similar limiter installed on most cars? Limiting the speed to no more than ~170 If you redline the tach there are rev limiters that cut in to stop you from burning out the motor. I know there are some utility vans (I think GM or Ford) that have speed limiters. The motors are powerful for hauling stuff but without cargo ...

Bookm wrote:Do the laser/radar manuals not specify an accuracy tolerance of 2+/- kph?? I'm sure I read that on another forum somewhere.

Radar can round up the figure. For example, a speed of 140.3947 km/h would read 141 km/h. To offset the rounding error, there should be a reduction of 1 or 2 km/h. I can't remember where that's posted. FYST?