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5. Stop cutting people off and wait your turn in traffic

1. Choose option #3

2. You'll be able to schedule a meeting with the Crown prior to trial (before trial date) to hammer out the details and come to an agreement. Ask if you could plea to something with no points such as a city by law. Even though a lesser HTA offence may have no points, your insurance will still know about it and it's still a ...

He was given two summons, one for stunt and one for speed because of the Rayham decision. Most officers were writing both while that case was being decided. This way if the stunt was deemed unconstitutional they could always fall back on the speeding. One will be dropped, likely the speeding.

Anyway don't go this alone its a serious charge. Have ...

or the officer could have used laser and picked both cars off like fish in a barrel. It's clear the original poster hadn't learned his lesson from the day before

Reflections wrote:We don't have all the info......you guys jump all over everything...

What other info is required?

Two cars were stopped for street racing in Windsor a while back too. Whats the big deal? They were both 150km/h plus too.

With Radar it might be easier but with if it was laser the accuracy is difficult to overcome.

Is this legit because if it is that Sgt. is a legend!

The summons is in your wife's name because she is the owner. The biggest fine you could get is $65. Your wife however can be charged with permit operation of a motor vehicle on a highway with no insurance. This is an expensive fine and you should seek representation for a number of reasons that I won't go into here.

The first thing you should do ...

But you got caught and got a break. Just because everyone else is doing it doesn;t make it right. Last time I checked the speed limit was 100km/h.

While the Raham decision was still being argued/decided, Officers wrote both speeding and stunt in case it was ruled unconstitutional. This way if it was decided unconstitutional (which it was not) then they could fall back on the speeding charge-otherwise you would walk off with nothing. Likely the speeding will be tossed since its part of the ...

Sounds to me like the officer got you at 125km/h and dropped it down to 115km/h for you. You yourself stated you weren't watching your speed so you really have no idea how fast you were going. If you fight it they will likely ammend the speed to the original (125km/h) and that will be twice the cost with 3 points if you lose.

Pay the $52.50 and ...

If the officer laid the Careless charge, the prosecutor would have likely reduced it in any event.

So now that it is a "red light-fail to stop" ticket, what will the prosecutor reduce it to now?

Possibly disobey lane light.

Red lights are three points.

If they reduce the charge it will be a plea deal. Either way, who cares what he got ...

You're entire idea will be useless in court. Secondly, for someone to put that much thought into this is strange. Something rotten in Denmark IMHO.

It would appear all those that put their 172 trials over until the decision need to come up with a new strategy

Actually this is not strictly true...

If the officer is acting as a PEACE officer.. he needs to have seen you breaching the peace. Therefore he needs PROBABLE CAUSE,

If he is acting as a POLIC (Y) E ENFORCEMENT officer he is looking to contract with you to issue a ticket for revenue services. This will be the purpose of the stop... in other ...

How exactly were you stereotyped by the officer?

He thanked me when I pulled over, thinking I was going to run.... called my bike a crotch rocket that young guys speed with while in court.... and said in court that there was heavy traffic, but he chose to follow me, even though when he origionally started to follow me, I was not doing anything ...

How exactly were you stereotyped by the officer?

No-each radar unit has its own unique signature.

Anyone have any idea when the decision will be? I thought it was supposed to by the end of this month (February).

Well clearly there is more to the story than what your telling us. Where did this other mythical person (who was driving the car) disappear to while you changed the tire and the Police rolled up?

Well "technically" a conviction would be a sure thing if you were driving. You'll have to come up with a reason how you and your car got on the side of the highway. So if you were driving, because you never clarified if you were or were not, its up to a JP to decide if your explanation is reasonable.

keyword "might"

and it likely won't. JMHO though

racer wrote:You can speed when you are being tailgated.

Where does it say that in the HTA?

I would go with disobey stop sign fail to stop. I think disobey stop sign- stop wrong place would be reserved for someone that stops after the stop line in your example. Either way if this were to go to court its a 50/50 chance of conviction regardless of which charge you write. Frankly you could probably write either one.

Easiest in my opinion is to request a trial and not show up. The JP will quash it based on the incorrect section (assuming they are not asleep at that time)

7(5)(a) is the correct section for that offence.

Your explanation won't help you. You'll be found guilty. To play Devils advocate couldn't you just have moved to the other lane and let the following vehicle pass?

What many don't realize is the speed limit is the speed limit regardless of what you are doing. Take for example passing a vehicle on a two lane country road. If the speed limit is ...

How do you know thats what LIDAR the officer was using? If it was mounted on a tripod the range will be better. How the officer got you to pull over is not an area of interest to the court.

Notes are a way for the people who got caught to try and find a loophole to get out of the charge. Thats what I think.

I'm with bear; HIS notes to refresh HIS memory. Nothing more. Why is it the defendant can get up and testify from his or her memory but when the officer does, it its not OK?

You need to remember that Police work is the same as ...

I wasn't aware of that decision.