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I don't believe the HTA specifies a distance.


Looking at HTA it specifies where U-turns are not allowed and no sign need be posted, on a curve, bridge etc.

So I'm guessing if a sign is posted and one disobeys it, it falls under disobey sign

What section of HTA is that? I seem to recall there is a general section that referred to when issuing ...

iFly55 wrote:I would hazard a guess, that they may reduce the fine to the ~$300 range.

How? Doesn't prosecution need to change the section of HTA being charged in order for the fine to change accordingly?
Or he/she can simply change the set amount?

I'm sorry, but let's get real...
When did we become 3rd world country transporting people in the back of a pickup truck?
My 10 year old and I sure got a good laugh...
I would expect the driver to get charged and the charge would stick like crazy glue...

In my opinion the MTO officer has the correct interpretation, there are no seats in the box of ...

Normally no U-turn signs are posted by specific intersections aren't they ?

No, not always...
For example, there is a no u turn sign in the middle of the road here
https://goo.gl/maps/n8nVZE3aWxz

There is another one about 20 meters down the road right before the stop sign.

The second one obviously implies that there is no U turn at the ...

Here is a question I have had in the back of my mind for years and never found a solid answer to.
I'm hoping the knowledged officer on here can clear it up for me...

The question is, how far before and after a No U TURN sign a driver is not permitted to make this turn?

Thanks in advance

For the permit, you have a good case...
One, the officer is not going to purger himself/herself, most likely something went wrong and ticket did not get canceled, I doubt you will need to do much on this one.
For the stop sign however, you might have some fighting to do.
Back to permit, having stickers on the back of permit to validate it is not ...

Couple of more things...

First, you should NEVER proceed to make a turn if you do not have a clear view of oncoming traffic. This accident could have been much much worst, imagine if you were hit by an 18 wheeler, you would probably not be here asking for advice, just think of that and count your lucky starts.

As to your trial, as jsherk stated ...

Just to expand on what jsherk said above, the prosecutor will choose what he/she will offer as a plea bargain, furthermore and I am not 100% sure about this, but I think they are also constrained by what they can offer as a deal depending on what the original charge was .
What I mean is, they can not replace a "failed to stop at stop sign" with ...

I find it odd that one would have to submit an FOI application for these tapes.
Last time I checked, the plates could not be read with these cameras, so I don't see why the red tape? MTO should simply process the request for the fee they charge.
Especially since they only keep the video on file for 5 weeks, sending in a FOI application can delay ...

Did you have your visor up or down? Maybe having the face shield up was sufficient for the officer to identify you to his/her satisfaction.

Yes, you are correct, at the time of the stop, the officer is required to establish identity of the driver. If this was not done, it is something you can argue in court since this is one of most important ...

You said this was in front of a school, if it is something like York university, they have their own parking enforcement officers, to which they can not enforce the parking ticket unlike regular Toronto parking enforcement officers.
The catch is, if the plates are registered to you, then they know who you are and they can withhold you from ...

Congrats on your win...

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But this is all probably drifting away a bit from the original topic.

Yes, very true, but I was simply trying to learn, that is the fundamental purpose of this forum, isn't it? For people to exchange information and get educated?

Thanks for the info, although I am not sure what "3 bracket conviction definition system" is and I need to do ...

To be honest, I don't think that formula is very good...

You need to take into account many variables, road condition, your tires, your vehicle stopping power, your own response time, other cars around you, open space to steer away to avoid a collision and who knows what else that I can't think of.

There was a pilot program MTO tried in Oshawa ...

I'm just going to add two cents here for what it's worth...

As much as I myself do not like the new law (well, not so new anymore) of 50 km/h over the posted speed limit equals stunt driving, you should keep an open mind, officers are simply doing their job, they are doing what they are told to do and that is to enforce the law.

I was told by a ...

This is a ticket that I would love to see handed out a lot more often.

I second that notion... I too hate it when people are following too close and I wonder what is going on their head?

When it is rush hour traffic and you are simply following the flow of traffic, by some one riding your rear bumper, it's not like you are/can go any faster, so ...

This is not a speeding ticket. With speeding, you are speeding or you're not. This is a ticket where the offense is largely based off the opinions of an officer. If you give them the chance to look over this ticket, take into account the vehicle involved, they may decide there isn't enough to proceed with the charge. Rather than dealing with this ...

So just heard on the news that a new regulation is being implemented, soon police officers stopping people will need to advise them they do not have to talk to them. Odd if you ask me, because it makes the entire process moot since right there that individual can turn around and say "OK, then I'm walking, ciao".

But that is not what got me ...

Your quote:

"All speeding charges are posted because at the start of that portion of the road there will have been a sign."

There is no such sign at the start of that portion. This is what I'm saying (no signs on the entire road northbound at the rate of speed on the ticket).

Along with all this the area was completely rural rather difficult ...

Are you worried about this or were you charged?
Usually school bus drivers hunk their horn to get the attention of the other drivers if they see some one not stopping when they should.

free 407?
Now that is funny, thank for the laugh, I needed that...

In a nutshell, the maximum speed limit is 50 km/h unless posted otherwise.
So you can not use the argument of no sign was posted if he charged you with speeding in a 50 zone, if he charged you with speeding in a 40 zone, that is a different discussion.

You have not mentioned what rate you were charged with in what zone, so it is a little ambiguous ...

Based on what I have seen and read from other people, early resolution is a waste of time. The reason I say this is because at the early resolution meeting you are expected to take a plea deal, which is basically pleading guilty to a lesser charge, which in turn affects your insurance no matter how you slice or dice it.
In some cases the ...

There was never any actual law or regulation providing a grace period , it was something officers would simply do (and still do). Unfortunately it's a bit more complicated now due to e-ticketing. It's a very good system in that it simplifies the ticket submission process and speeds up disclosure, but tickets are now automatically filed to the ...

You see, this where I find this a bit a bitter pill to swallow.

I never check my plates to make sure the sticker did not come off or some one did not steal it, never...
The only time I ever look at it is when I get the new one and clean the old one so I can make sure the new one is on there securely.

So if anything happened to it, it could go ...

You may also have to check where the stop sign is actually posted. If it's at an exit, it may be posted close enough to the highway to be on municipal property and therefore legal.
That's actually what I was thinking, because I realized, the few feet of the edge of the property is actually owned by the city (easement for utility maintenance), I ...

Thank you Stanton, learned something new and by something I mean lots...

Never knew about "larger commercial plazas" etc.

Just goes to say how misleading some old info can be, one of my coworkers who was involved in a small fender bender in a mall parking lot called police to attend and write a report (this goes back 25 years when police would ...

I have a question regarding stop signs you see at the entrance/exit of some plazas.

Years ago, when I started to drive I was told these were stop signs on private property and HTA did not apply to them, therefor police would not issue an infraction notice if one would not obey them.

Now, I'm wondering of that is true, especially with everything I ...

Quite often that charge is laid because the driver talked himself into it, or, the driver was getting a break on something else so the cop laid that charge which is no points. If the validation sticker is missing, it would still come up as valid when the cop ran the plate during the stop. If the plates came up as being valid, but the sticker was ...

"They tend to take plea deals and go back to the client saying this is the best they could do and make several hundred dollars for doing nothing at all."?

As I said it in my post, I have seen it with my own eyes...
Now, let's be clear, not all of them do this, so the question is how to find the ones that actually work hard for you...
I ...