Date: 2009, April 5th, 11:16pm Location: 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd, Kitchener/ Cambridge. I was going on 401. When I was approaching the location mentioned at the topic, I tried to over take a truck in front of me, and realized a car tailgating me right after I went out to the fast lane. At first I thought it was some other fast drivers so I just thought that I would go back into the middle lane after. However, right after I went on the fast lane, the car behind was a police car and then got pulled over at the mentioned exit. The officer then came to my car asking for driver's license, insurance and ownership, which I gave. I tried asking him questions, but he was not really answering anything, and even ignored me when I tried to stop him. He went back to his police car, and later gave me the ticket with 142 km, $317 fine. Details are as follows: Date: 2009 April, 5th, 11:16pm Motor vehicle involved: no At: HWY 401, CAMBRIDGE Did commit the offence of: Speeding 142km/h in a posted 100 km/h zone Contrary to: Highway Traffic Act Sect. 128 Plate number: ******* Year: 01 Make: ** Collusion involved: N Witness: N And I further certify that I served an offence notice personally upon the person charged: On the offence date Set fine of: 252 Total Payable: $317 I'm a 20 year old guy (turning 21 soon), with a G2 (and getting G on 1st May) The vehicle was 2009 rabbit, and there were no passengers with me at that time. After the officer gave me the ticket, I tried to ask him questions about it, but he just ignored me and left. The speed 142 was from his on board speed detector/radar (I have no idea what that is) I then got out of my car, and approached his vehicle,( I know this is stupid) then he said that he would arrest me if i didn't just get on my car and leave. I have a few questions: 1) If I go to court, how big is the chance for me to completely get rid of the ticket? 2) I was looking for ticket fighters, but have also seem forums saying that the whole court thing is a scam, is that true? 3) What is the cheapest way to settle this? Given that insurance will increase 10% (of the $57XX that I am paying currently). 4) What is the best way (or cheapest way) to handle this situation? 5) How long with the whole process take? My insurance will renew in Sept 26th, 2009, is it wise to try to delay the court hearing as late as possible for that? Thanks for the help!

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142km on 401 going west, near 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd

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Re: 142km on 401 going west, near 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd

Ask for any recorded video from the cruiser as a part of Disclosure.

Ask for any recorded video from the cruiser as a part of Disclosure.

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Sometimes police do have to get close to vehicles and appears to be "tail gating". The reason for this is to read a licence plate. If plates are faded, dirty, obstructed by tinted plate covers, rusty, etc..... OR licence plate light is burnt out, it makes it very difficult to read, even more so at night. Once plate is called into dispatch officer can back off and make a stop.

Sometimes police do have to get close to vehicles and appears to be "tail gating". The reason for this is to read a licence plate. If plates are faded, dirty, obstructed by tinted plate covers, rusty, etc..... OR licence plate light is burnt out, it makes it very difficult to read, even more so at night. Once plate is called into dispatch officer can back off and make a stop.

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Re: 142km on 401 going west, near 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd

My car is a 2009 vw, the plate lights are fully functioning and the plates are clean. I just washed the car 2 days before the incident. Couldn't police just lite their lights? I would pull over immediately if I see those behind me, then the officers would have more than enough time to check my plates after I stopped my car.

My car is a 2009 vw, the plate lights are fully functioning and the plates are clean. I just washed the car 2 days before the incident.

Couldn't police just lite their lights? I would pull over immediately if I see those behind me, then the officers would have more than enough time to check my plates after I stopped my car.

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Re: 142km on 401 going west, near 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd

I think the plates are called in before a stop in case the car tries to run.

I think the plates are called in before a stop in case the car tries to run.

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Ic, also, any information on how insurance reacts to these type of stuff generally? Thanks

Ic, also, any information on how insurance reacts to these type of stuff generally?

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Re: 142km on 401 going west, near 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd

42 km/h over the limit is still a minor conviction, and I think most insurance companies will forgive one or two of those. I was with Motors Insurance (GMAC) and they forgave two minor convictions I got when I was 16 and 18, while FiReSTaRT had his rates increased.

42 km/h over the limit is still a minor conviction, and I think most insurance companies will forgive one or two of those. I was with Motors Insurance (GMAC) and they forgave two minor convictions I got when I was 16 and 18, while FiReSTaRT had his rates increased.

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Re: 142km on 401 going west, near 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd

The OPP's LED bars are the best. I must admit you can see those from very very far away. They look cool to. Off topic but i really hope you guys give tickets for those that fail to move over. You guys have a dangerous job as it is pulling people over all day on crowded highways with a bunch of drivers all in a hurry driving as fast as they can and you guys sit on the side of the road. I hope you guys pull people over for that cause those lights are really easy to see !!! I don't know how some of those guys put up with it especially in the GTA region. I have no idea how they do it in toronto especially with that collector/express system and all the construction, what a mess.

The OPP's LED bars are the best.

I must admit you can see those from very very far away. They look cool to.

Off topic but i really hope you guys give tickets for those that fail to move over. You guys have a dangerous job as it is pulling people over all day on crowded highways with a bunch of drivers all in a hurry driving as fast as they can and you guys sit on the side of the road.

I hope you guys pull people over for that cause those lights are really easy to see !!!

I don't know how some of those guys put up with it especially in the GTA region.

I have no idea how they do it in toronto especially with that collector/express system and all the construction, what a mess.

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Our safety is first, I know our policy is to check plates prior to stop. Which is calling it in to dispatch and waiting for the information to come back about the owner, whether the vehicle is stolen or not, was it just involved in an armed robbery, plates are not "authorized" etc.. (sometimes checking plates takes time/ a few kms) - Should the vehicle decide to run (Squishy thoughts), we now have a plate and less likely to initiate a pursuit. - if the vehicle has problems as mentioned above, we will wait for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th unit to assist in the stop and not endanger our lives

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My car is a 2009 vw, the plate lights are fully functioning and the plates are clean. I just washed the car 2 days before the incident.

Couldn't police just lite their lights? I would pull over immediately if I see those behind me, then the officers would have more than enough time to check my plates after I stopped my car.

Our safety is first, I know our policy is to check plates prior to stop. Which is calling it in to dispatch and waiting for the information to come back about the owner, whether the vehicle is stolen or not, was it just involved in an armed robbery, plates are not "authorized" etc.. (sometimes checking plates takes time/ a few kms)

- Should the vehicle decide to run (Squishy thoughts), we now have a plate and less likely to initiate a pursuit.

- if the vehicle has problems as mentioned above, we will wait for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th unit to assist in the stop and not endanger our lives

Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
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Re: 142km on 401 going west, near 401 exit to Homer Watson Blvd

was busy for some time, not back again. with all due respect, I do understand that there are barriers and safety issues to consider at the officer's point of view. However, i think that was not the case (which i might be wrong) but here's what i think: With what ever reason, when a police want to check a plate of a vehicle, all they need is to know the plate number and call in. It takes like a few seconds to do so. In my case, the officer behind me tailgated me for a few kilometers, is that absolutely necessary? If there are safety issues for the officer such as the unknown identity of the driver, is any crime involved, shouldn't it be a reason for the officer to keep a safe distance? Also, even if the officer thinks that the vehicle in front is speeding, why would you want to tailgate that car to scare/ influence the car in front by shining the front lights at the rear view mirrors of the car in front? In my situation, there was only one police car what followed me. I fully understand that the officer who was driving it had the full rights and responsibility to serve and protect all that are on the road, but wouldn't tailgating for a long period of time be against that? Keep in mind that I tried to changed lanes so that the front lights aren't on the mirrors, and once I did that, the officer stopped me. If he thought I was speeding, shouldn't he stop me right after he checked my plate and driver background? instead of letting me speeding and endangering other drivers on the road? I fully understand that checking one person's information out of the whole population in Canada takes time, but that does not mean that one can forget that other's might be endangered during the process, and would hope that that could be taken into consideration. Also, on a side note, about another post that I read Its just like another post on this forum, a 18 year old kid got a $800 fine from multiple tickets just because of thinking that the car behind him was being a jerk, which instead turned out to be a police car. If the police are truly to serve and protect, why would the guy be allowed to drive drive in the middle of the road as a result of speeding? And now the kid doesn't really even feel the punishment yet, its just that his parents have to pay the fine and increased insurance premiums. Who's being punished then? Those are my thoughts. not sure if its right thou.

was busy for some time, not back again.

with all due respect, I do understand that there are barriers and safety issues to consider at the officer's point of view.

However, i think that was not the case (which i might be wrong)

but here's what i think:

With what ever reason, when a police want to check a plate of a vehicle, all they need is to know the plate number and call in. It takes like a few seconds to do so. In my case, the officer behind me tailgated me for a few kilometers, is that absolutely necessary?

If there are safety issues for the officer such as the unknown identity of the driver, is any crime involved, shouldn't it be a reason for the officer to keep a safe distance? Also, even if the officer thinks that the vehicle in front is speeding, why would you want to tailgate that car to scare/ influence the car in front by shining the front lights at the rear view mirrors of the car in front?

In my situation, there was only one police car what followed me. I fully understand that the officer who was driving it had the full rights and responsibility to serve and protect all that are on the road, but wouldn't tailgating for a long period of time be against that?

Keep in mind that I tried to changed lanes so that the front lights aren't on the mirrors, and once I did that, the officer stopped me. If he thought I was speeding, shouldn't he stop me right after he checked my plate and driver background? instead of letting me speeding and endangering other drivers on the road?

I fully understand that checking one person's information out of the whole population in Canada takes time, but that does not mean that one can forget that other's might be endangered during the process, and would hope that that could be taken into consideration.

Also, on a side note, about another post that I read

Its just like another post on this forum, a 18 year old kid got a $800 fine from multiple tickets just because of thinking that the car behind him was being a jerk, which instead turned out to be a police car. If the police are truly to serve and protect, why would the guy be allowed to drive drive in the middle of the road as a result of speeding? And now the kid doesn't really even feel the punishment yet, its just that his parents have to pay the fine and increased insurance premiums. Who's being punished then?

Those are my thoughts. not sure if its right thou.

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